K3ii replacement

MrB1 · 10-31-2018, 03:23 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by taktoon

1.8 or 2.0 APS-C primes are far from "enormous" in my opinion. Significantly bigger than current limiteds? Yes, but not huge like new DFA 1.4. I wrote silent motors not faster focusing - just to be able to focus without making noise. In general I am thinking about all around primes for silent shooting in dark interiors and (with WR for outsides). Paired with two bodies would be a nice kit for events.

Yes, similar in construction and appearance to the 20-40 zoom (but obviously not as long) would be nice.

Philip

biz-engineer · 10-31-2018, 03:25 AM

Originally posted by Mark Ransom

I'm not a major stressor of batteries. If I start the day with a full charge, I really appreciate knowing I'll get through the whole day without having to think about the battery.

Sounds like a legitimate comment. I'm like you most of the time, except when I forgot to plan my shooting in advance I hate waiting for the battery to fully recharge, that's why I keep one battery in my camera and a spare battery fully charged in the camera bag, so that when the battery inside the camera is close to depleted, I replaced it with the fully charged battery. Sounds like it makes sense to me.

dafbp · 10-31-2018, 06:26 AM

My K5 + 150-450 gets about 1500-2000 shots per full battery charge, so it's 1 battery change I do. I now change it when it drops a notch because performance goes down after that.
So the KP would require something like 3-4 batteries (inc the one in camera). That's 3 batteries more that I'd have to buy, at the usual "friendly" manufacturer prices.

Good camera it may be, but the above plus the laughable buffer mean it's certainly not on K5/K3 level.

P.S. rant: And the K1 needs to clear the buffer a lot faster to be a flagship (but it's still a temptress)

biz-engineer · 10-31-2018, 06:55 AM

Originally posted by dafbp

My K5 + 150-450 gets about 1500-2000 shots per full battery charge,

Originally posted by dafbp

P.S. rant: And the K1 needs to clear the buffer a lot faster to be a flagship (but it's still a temptress)

Battery grip with eneloop pro 2500mAh of Pana 2700mAh can easily produce 4000 shots. 4000 shots sold at $400, you'll make a fortune, unless you eventually format the SD to get rid of all those thousand shots that do wow anyone in any way.

agukha · 10-31-2018, 07:38 AM

The battery of the KP is not as bad as often told... but I frequently have to change batteries multiple times in a day of shooting, sometimes more than just once change !
And although the large grip is too small for me (and I have small hands), it would already have the space to put a K3 battery, if it had been not changeable (or just bigger).

So they could solve 2 problems at once

reh321 · 10-31-2018, 07:40 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by agukha

The battery of the KP is not as bad as often told... but I frequently have to change batteries multiple times in a day of shooting, sometimes more than just once change !
And although the large grip is too small for me (and I have small hands), it would already have the space to put a K3 battery, if it had been not changeable (or just bigger).

So they could solve 2 problems at once

Not at all - the smallest grip is what makes it attractive to me - they'll make another camera for you.

agukha · 10-31-2018, 08:29 AM

Originally posted by reh321

Not at all - the smallest grip is what makes it attractive to me - they'll make another camera for you.

Yes, they will do it with the successor of the K3ii ^^

thibs · 11-01-2018, 07:45 AM

Originally posted by dafbp

Why do you think that would be stupid?
Everybody's eyes are glazed at mirrorless news, and Pentax has a very small share of the market. Even the competition wouldn't care, except maybe to get some ideas after it came out.

Originally posted by reh321

How could it be counterproductive??

Their inventory of K-3ii's to sell is virtually empty, so they wouldn't lose sales, and to say that Canon, Nikon, or Sony is going to react to {tiny} Pentax sounds dumb. All Pentax had to do was to repeat the assurance of CP+ 2018 "We are working on that". That sentence was not stupid at CP+ and it would not have been stupid at Photokina.

Because usually when you play poker you avoid showing every opponent your cards in hand?

reh321 · 11-01-2018, 08:29 AM

Originally posted by thibs

Because usually when you play poker you avoid showing every opponent your cards in hand?

But this isn't playing poker. They aren't willing to let friends know they have anything. In February Pentax was willing to re-assure their users that K-3ii replacement was being worked on ..... today they aren't willing to do that, even though the shelves are essentially bare.

They don't have to say what.
They don't have to say when.

sculptor666 · 11-01-2018, 08:51 AM

Originally posted by reh321

But this isn't playing poker. They aren't willing to let friends know they have anything. In February Pentax was willing to re-assure their users that K-3ii replacement was being worked on ..... today they aren't willing to do that, even though the shelves are essentially bare.

They don't have to say what.
They don't have to say when.

is this the difference between talking to a ricoh representative at a product launch and and a sales guy at a trade show?

reh321 · 11-01-2018, 08:55 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by sculptor666

is this the difference between talking to a ricoh representative at a product launch and and a sales guy at a trade show?

Company representatives were interviewed by PF staff at both CP+ and Photokina trade shows..
Japan undoubtedly gave the Photokina representatives a 'talking points' summary to memorize.

dicki · 11-02-2018, 04:22 AM - **2 Likes**

My news sounds like this:

Threre will be come a new APS-C camera. No K3 replacement. A new one!
Will be come for 100 Pentax bithday, next year. Announce or sell ( no more Information) February 2019.
The new camera will have some, some more Ffatures from K1.

That all the News I get from Pentax at a roadshow. This sounds like the interview from Mr. Baus, Pentax europe. So I think it will be come.

---------- Post added 02-11-18 at 13:24 ----------

I Forget:

He said that will become some more presents for Pentax-Users next year.

---------- Post added 02-11-18 at 13:26 ----------

He said that will become some more "gifts" for Pentax-Users next year.

I think by myself about classes.

rojaba · 11-08-2018, 12:40 PM - **1 Like**

I really hope you're right, my K5 needs urgent replacement

agukha · 11-12-2018, 09:48 AM

I hope the Pentax K-Pi will renew with AA battery capability, this was one of the reason I had choose Pentax at first, and I regret they have stopped it !

When you're traveling mostly in nature, you may not find some place to recharge proprietary battery, but you can buy on almost all countries some AA batteries !

And AA rechargeable batteries can be better and better as time go (eneloop didn't existed ten years ago), contrary to a fixed proprietary battery.

RonHendriks1966 · 11-12-2018, 10:57 AM

Originally posted by agukha

I hope the Pentax K-Pi will renew with AA battery capability, this was one of the reason I had choose Pentax at first, and I regret they have stopped it !

When you're traveling mostly in nature, you may not find some place to recharge proprietary battery, but you can buy on almost all countries some AA batteries !

And AA rechargeable batteries can be better and better as time go (eneloop didn't existed ten years ago), contrary to a fixed proprietary battery.

A little older

Quote:

Eneloop (Japanese: エネループ Hepburn: Enerūpu) is a brand of 1.2-volt low self-discharge nickel–metal hydride (NiMH) rechargeable batteries and accessories developed by Sanyo (later acquired by Panasonic), introduced in 2005.

10-31-2018, 06:26 AM	#2358
dafbp Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 233	My K5 + 150-450 gets about 1500-2000 shots per full battery charge, so it's 1 battery change I do. I now change it when it drops a notch because performance goes down after that. So the KP would require something like 3-4 batteries (inc the one in camera). That's 3 batteries more that I'd have to buy, at the usual "friendly" manufacturer prices. Good camera it may be, but the above plus the laughable buffer mean it's certainly not on K5/K3 level. P.S. rant: And the K1 needs to clear the buffer a lot faster to be a flagship (but it's still a temptress) Last edited by dafbp; 10-31-2018 at 06:27 AM. Reason: number of batteries

11-12-2018, 09:48 AM	#2369
agukha Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 367	AA battery capability back I hope the Pentax K-Pi will renew with AA battery capability, this was one of the reason I had choose Pentax at first, and I regret they have stopped it ! When you're traveling mostly in nature, you may not find some place to recharge proprietary battery, but you can buy on almost all countries some AA batteries ! And AA rechargeable batteries can be better and better as time go (eneloop didn't existed ten years ago), contrary to a fixed proprietary battery.

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10-31-2018, 03:23 AM - 1 Like	#2356
MrB1 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2013 Location: Hertfordshire, England Posts: 845	Originally posted by taktoon 1.8 or 2.0 APS-C primes are far from "enormous" in my opinion. Significantly bigger than current limiteds? Yes, but not huge like new DFA 1.4. I wrote silent motors not faster focusing - just to be able to focus without making noise. In general I am thinking about all around primes for silent shooting in dark interiors and (with WR for outsides). Paired with two bodies would be a nice kit for events. Yes, similar in construction and appearance to the 20-40 zoom (but obviously not as long) would be nice. Philip

10-31-2018, 03:25 AM	#2357
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,231	Originally posted by Mark Ransom I'm not a major stressor of batteries. If I start the day with a full charge, I really appreciate knowing I'll get through the whole day without having to think about the battery. Sounds like a legitimate comment. I'm like you most of the time, except when I forgot to plan my shooting in advance I hate waiting for the battery to fully recharge, that's why I keep one battery in my camera and a spare battery fully charged in the camera bag, so that when the battery inside the camera is close to depleted, I replaced it with the fully charged battery. Sounds like it makes sense to me.

10-31-2018, 06:55 AM	#2359
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,231	Originally posted by dafbp My K5 + 150-450 gets about 1500-2000 shots per full battery charge, Originally posted by dafbp P.S. rant: And the K1 needs to clear the buffer a lot faster to be a flagship (but it's still a temptress) Battery grip with eneloop pro 2500mAh of Pana 2700mAh can easily produce 4000 shots. 4000 shots sold at $400, you'll make a fortune, unless you eventually format the SD to get rid of all those thousand shots that do wow anyone in any way.

10-31-2018, 07:38 AM	#2360
agukha Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 367	The battery of the KP is not as bad as often told... but I frequently have to change batteries multiple times in a day of shooting, sometimes more than just once change ! And although the large grip is too small for me (and I have small hands), it would already have the space to put a K3 battery, if it had been not changeable (or just bigger). So they could solve 2 problems at once

10-31-2018, 07:40 AM - 1 Like	#2361
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,177	Originally posted by agukha The battery of the KP is not as bad as often told... but I frequently have to change batteries multiple times in a day of shooting, sometimes more than just once change ! And although the large grip is too small for me (and I have small hands), it would already have the space to put a K3 battery, if it had been not changeable (or just bigger). So they could solve 2 problems at once Not at all - the smallest grip is what makes it attractive to me - they'll make another camera for you.

10-31-2018, 08:29 AM	#2362
agukha Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 367	Originally posted by reh321 Not at all - the smallest grip is what makes it attractive to me - they'll make another camera for you. Yes, they will do it with the successor of the K3ii ^^

11-01-2018, 07:45 AM	#2363
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by dafbp Why do you think that would be stupid? Everybody's eyes are glazed at mirrorless news, and Pentax has a very small share of the market. Even the competition wouldn't care, except maybe to get some ideas after it came out. Originally posted by reh321 How could it be counterproductive?? Their inventory of K-3ii's to sell is virtually empty, so they wouldn't lose sales, and to say that Canon, Nikon, or Sony is going to react to {tiny} Pentax sounds dumb. All Pentax had to do was to repeat the assurance of CP+ 2018 "We are working on that". That sentence was not stupid at CP+ and it would not have been stupid at Photokina. Because usually when you play poker you avoid showing every opponent your cards in hand?

11-01-2018, 08:29 AM	#2364
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,177	Originally posted by thibs Because usually when you play poker you avoid showing every opponent your cards in hand? But this isn't playing poker. They aren't willing to let friends know they have anything. In February Pentax was willing to re-assure their users that K-3ii replacement was being worked on ..... today they aren't willing to do that, even though the shelves are essentially bare. They don't have to say what. They don't have to say when.

11-01-2018, 08:51 AM	#2365
sculptor666 Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: PA Photos: Gallery Posts: 675	Originally posted by reh321 But this isn't playing poker. They aren't willing to let friends know they have anything. In February Pentax was willing to re-assure their users that K-3ii replacement was being worked on ..... today they aren't willing to do that, even though the shelves are essentially bare. They don't have to say what. They don't have to say when. is this the difference between talking to a ricoh representative at a product launch and and a sales guy at a trade show?

11-01-2018, 08:55 AM - 1 Like	#2366
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,177	Originally posted by sculptor666 is this the difference between talking to a ricoh representative at a product launch and and a sales guy at a trade show? Company representatives were interviewed by PF staff at both CP+ and Photokina trade shows.. Japan undoubtedly gave the Photokina representatives a 'talking points' summary to memorize.

11-02-2018, 04:22 AM - 2 Likes	#2367
dicki Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 180	My news sounds like this: Threre will be come a new APS-C camera. No K3 replacement. A new one! Will be come for 100 Pentax bithday, next year. Announce or sell ( no more Information) February 2019. The new camera will have some, some more Ffatures from K1. That all the News I get from Pentax at a roadshow. This sounds like the interview from Mr. Baus, Pentax europe. So I think it will be come. ---------- Post added 02-11-18 at 13:24 ---------- I Forget: He said that will become some more presents for Pentax-Users next year. ---------- Post added 02-11-18 at 13:26 ---------- He said that will become some more "gifts" for Pentax-Users next year. I think by myself about classes.

11-08-2018, 12:40 PM - 1 Like	#2368
rojaba Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Herzogenaurach Photos: Albums Posts: 226	I really hope you're right, my K5 needs urgent replacement

11-12-2018, 10:57 AM	#2370
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by agukha I hope the Pentax K-Pi will renew with AA battery capability, this was one of the reason I had choose Pentax at first, and I regret they have stopped it ! When you're traveling mostly in nature, you may not find some place to recharge proprietary battery, but you can buy on almost all countries some AA batteries ! And AA rechargeable batteries can be better and better as time go (eneloop didn't existed ten years ago), contrary to a fixed proprietary battery. A little older Quote: Eneloop (Japanese: エネループ Hepburn: Enerūpu) is a brand of 1.2-volt low self-discharge nickel–metal hydride (NiMH) rechargeable batteries and accessories developed by Sanyo (later acquired by Panasonic), introduced in 2005.