Pentax K-3 III in Sep-2018

victormeldrew · 12-25-2017, 12:20 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by tvdtvdtvd

It works for cars, (among other things); why not cameras?

Because it just won't satisfy the inner anally-retentive-geek in many (if not most) amateur photographers. If one could know a model's position in a lineup just from its name, there would be no gloatingly self-satisfied smugness to be had from knowing that the G-732A mk-iii was the upper midrange crop body from 2007, just above the Z-27G and below the H-877 mk-vii

Also, the ill-educated would know what they were buying and its relative value at a glance, and the shareholders wouldn't want that.

Kunzite · 12-25-2017, 12:41 PM

Really? A completely illogical, unorganized naming system would work better than the established conventions?
Then, tell me please, which camera is likely to have the higher specs: Alice or Bob?

x4rd · 12-25-2017, 12:44 PM

This rumor is based on completely nothing

therefore, the successor of the K-3 II WILL NOT be called K-3 xx

**monochrome** · 12-25-2017, 12:54 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by tvdtvdtvd

They did indeed run out of numbers. The K-7/K-5/K-3 sequence was cut short by the fullframe K-1. The K-1 is itself a dead end.
K-1ii, (K-1 'two', K-1 'too'), sounds like a regression.

Once again I purpose that Ricoh, et al, get away from sequential numbering and simply give each product line a name. Distinctions between
model versions can simply be made by the year the product was released. Thus, the top of the line APS-C line could be named 'Alice'.
The entry level named 'Tom'. The full frame named 'Hector'. Etc. Rather than comparing a K-5ii vs a K-3ii, you would simply compare the
2012 Alice vs the 2015 Alice.

It works for cars, (among other things); why not cameras?

If Pentax should bring back Q they would once again have four distinct lines, ergo Bob, Carol, Ted, and Alice.

LensBeginner · 12-25-2017, 01:11 PM - **1 Like**

The "article" reads like pure speculation to me...

I'm voting for Alice as the top-of-the-line, bottom-of-the-rabbit-hole.

tvdtvdtvd · 12-25-2017, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by Kunzite

Really? A completely illogical, unorganized naming system would work better than the established conventions?
Then, tell me please, which camera is likely to have the higher specs: Alice or Bob?

First question: Yes.

Second question: That's what spec sheets are for. No un-educated person knows the difference between a K-1, D850 or 5D Mark IV, and those
numbers give no indication which might be of higher spec.

**caliscouser** · 12-25-2017, 01:30 PM - **1 Like**

This is no-news news. Nothing to see here.

This non-article aside, they are taking their time with a K-3ii successor. Which is good news. Hopefully this means they are working hard on getting it right.

Kunzite · 12-25-2017, 01:37 PM

Originally posted by tvdtvdtvd

First question: Yes.

Second question: That's what spec sheets are for. No un-educated person knows the difference between a K-1, D850 or 5D Mark IV, and those
numbers give no indication which might be of higher spec.

Thank you; that is precisely my point, that you'd know nothing about the camera without studying its spec sheet. Yet you can say the K-1 is higher end than the K-3 because of the lower digit (convention), the D850 must be the D800 and D810's successor, and the 5D Mark IV is the fourth camera in a line above the 6Ds but below the 1Ds.

tvdtvdtvd · 12-25-2017, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by Kunzite

Thank you; that is precisely my point, that you'd know nothing about the camera without studying its spec sheet. Yet you can say the K-1 is higher end than the K-3 because of the lower digit (convention), the D850 must be the D800 and D810's successor, and the 5D Mark IV is the fourth camera in a line above the 6Ds but below the 1Ds.

How does this make sense? How does someone know that Pentax specs go up with smaller numbers, while Nikon goes down in spec with lower numbers?
That requires foreknowledge; it is not inherent in the naming scheme.

On the other hand, it's almost a certain bet the 2015 Alice will be of higher spec than the 2012 Alice. Same for the Tom, Hector, Dave and the ever popular
Ninja Rocket Man.

MarkJerling · 12-25-2017, 02:27 PM - **4 Likes**

Originally posted by monochrome

If Pentax should bring back Q they would once again have four distinct lines, ergo Bob, Carol, Ted, and Alice.

**clickclick** · 12-25-2017, 02:30 PM

Mark, that should come with the full mouth warning, as in swallow before viewing or risk laughing so hard you're wearing it.

MarkJerling · 12-25-2017, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by clickclick

Mark, that should come with the full mouth warning, as in swallow before viewing or risk laughing so hard you're wearing it.

Are you still on Christmas lunch? I'm having leftovers for Boxing Day breakfast.

**clickclick** · 12-25-2017, 02:49 PM

Originally posted by MarkJerling

Are you still on Christmas lunch? I'm having leftovers for Boxing Day breakfast.

I'm in between meals, but glass of eggnog was in hand at the time. Close call, but disaster avoided!

Cheers and Merry Christmas!

-David

MarkJerling · 12-25-2017, 02:50 PM

Close call indeed!
Merry Christmas!

Kunzite · 12-25-2017, 03:04 PM

Originally posted by tvdtvdtvd

How does this make sense? How does someone know that Pentax specs go up with smaller numbers, while Nikon goes down in spec with lower numbers?
That requires foreknowledge; it is not inherent in the naming scheme.

On the other hand, it's almost a certain bet the 2015 Alice will be of higher spec than the 2012 Alice. Same for the Tom, Hector, Dave and the ever popular
Ninja Rocket Man.

So what if instead of Alice you're saying D8x0, or 5D (Mk I, II, III...)? What if instead of Bob you're saying K-1? See, your system doesn't add anything at all.

OTOH, nobody familiar with the existing conventions would wonder if the K-70 is a higher-end camera than the K-1. The K-1 itself gives an extremely clear message: it's the top of the K line. There's no question about that - but, who the h**l is Bob?

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12-25-2017, 12:20 PM - 2 Likes	#16
victormeldrew Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: South West UK Posts: 784	Originally posted by tvdtvdtvd It works for cars, (among other things); why not cameras? Because it just won't satisfy the inner anally-retentive-geek in many (if not most) amateur photographers. If one could know a model's position in a lineup just from its name, there would be no gloatingly self-satisfied smugness to be had from knowing that the G-732A mk-iii was the upper midrange crop body from 2007, just above the Z-27G and below the H-877 mk-vii Also, the ill-educated would know what they were buying and its relative value at a glance, and the shareholders wouldn't want that.

12-25-2017, 12:41 PM	#17
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 10,250	Really? A completely illogical, unorganized naming system would work better than the established conventions? Then, tell me please, which camera is likely to have the higher specs: Alice or Bob?

12-25-2017, 12:44 PM	#18
x4rd Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 162	This rumor is based on completely nothing therefore, the successor of the K-3 II WILL NOT be called K-3 xx

12-25-2017, 12:54 PM - 2 Likes	#19
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Kirkwood (St. Louis) MO USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 21,829	Originally posted by tvdtvdtvd They did indeed run out of numbers. The K-7/K-5/K-3 sequence was cut short by the fullframe K-1. The K-1 is itself a dead end. K-1ii, (K-1 'two', K-1 'too'), sounds like a regression. Once again I purpose that Ricoh, et al, get away from sequential numbering and simply give each product line a name. Distinctions between model versions can simply be made by the year the product was released. Thus, the top of the line APS-C line could be named 'Alice'. The entry level named 'Tom'. The full frame named 'Hector'. Etc. Rather than comparing a K-5ii vs a K-3ii, you would simply compare the 2012 Alice vs the 2015 Alice. It works for cars, (among other things); why not cameras? If Pentax should bring back Q they would once again have four distinct lines, ergo Bob, Carol, Ted, and Alice.

12-25-2017, 01:11 PM - 1 Like	#20
LensBeginner Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2014 Photos: Albums Posts: 2,752	The "article" reads like pure speculation to me... I'm voting for Alice as the top-of-the-line, bottom-of-the-rabbit-hole.

12-25-2017, 01:29 PM	#21
tvdtvdtvd Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 743	Originally posted by Kunzite Really? A completely illogical, unorganized naming system would work better than the established conventions? Then, tell me please, which camera is likely to have the higher specs: Alice or Bob? First question: Yes. Second question: That's what spec sheets are for. No un-educated person knows the difference between a K-1, D850 or 5D Mark IV, and those numbers give no indication which might be of higher spec.

12-25-2017, 01:30 PM - 1 Like	#22
caliscouser Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: SF Bay Area, CA Photos: Albums Posts: 458	This is no-news news. Nothing to see here. This non-article aside, they are taking their time with a K-3ii successor. Which is good news. Hopefully this means they are working hard on getting it right.

12-25-2017, 01:37 PM	#23
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 10,250	Originally posted by tvdtvdtvd First question: Yes. Second question: That's what spec sheets are for. No un-educated person knows the difference between a K-1, D850 or 5D Mark IV, and those numbers give no indication which might be of higher spec. Thank you; that is precisely my point, that you'd know nothing about the camera without studying its spec sheet. Yet you can say the K-1 is higher end than the K-3 because of the lower digit (convention), the D850 must be the D800 and D810's successor, and the 5D Mark IV is the fourth camera in a line above the 6Ds but below the 1Ds.

12-25-2017, 01:56 PM	#24
tvdtvdtvd Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 743	Originally posted by Kunzite Thank you; that is precisely my point, that you'd know nothing about the camera without studying its spec sheet. Yet you can say the K-1 is higher end than the K-3 because of the lower digit (convention), the D850 must be the D800 and D810's successor, and the 5D Mark IV is the fourth camera in a line above the 6Ds but below the 1Ds. How does this make sense? How does someone know that Pentax specs go up with smaller numbers, while Nikon goes down in spec with lower numbers? That requires foreknowledge; it is not inherent in the naming scheme. On the other hand, it's almost a certain bet the 2015 Alice will be of higher spec than the 2012 Alice. Same for the Tom, Hector, Dave and the ever popular Ninja Rocket Man.

12-25-2017, 02:27 PM - 4 Likes	#25
MarkJerling Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: May 2012 Location: Wairarapa, New Zealand Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 7,402	Originally posted by monochrome If Pentax should bring back Q they would once again have four distinct lines, ergo Bob, Carol, Ted, and Alice.

12-25-2017, 02:30 PM	#26
clickclick Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: May 2016 Location: East Coast Posts: 784	Mark, that should come with the full mouth warning, as in swallow before viewing or risk laughing so hard you're wearing it.

12-25-2017, 02:34 PM	#27
MarkJerling Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: May 2012 Location: Wairarapa, New Zealand Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 7,402	Originally posted by clickclick Mark, that should come with the full mouth warning, as in swallow before viewing or risk laughing so hard you're wearing it. Are you still on Christmas lunch? I'm having leftovers for Boxing Day breakfast.

12-25-2017, 02:49 PM	#28
clickclick Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: May 2016 Location: East Coast Posts: 784	Originally posted by MarkJerling Are you still on Christmas lunch? I'm having leftovers for Boxing Day breakfast. I'm in between meals, but glass of eggnog was in hand at the time. Close call, but disaster avoided! Cheers and Merry Christmas! -David

12-25-2017, 02:50 PM	#29
MarkJerling Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: May 2012 Location: Wairarapa, New Zealand Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 7,402	Close call indeed! Merry Christmas!

12-25-2017, 03:04 PM	#30
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 10,250	Originally posted by tvdtvdtvd How does this make sense? How does someone know that Pentax specs go up with smaller numbers, while Nikon goes down in spec with lower numbers? That requires foreknowledge; it is not inherent in the naming scheme. On the other hand, it's almost a certain bet the 2015 Alice will be of higher spec than the 2012 Alice. Same for the Tom, Hector, Dave and the ever popular Ninja Rocket Man. So what if instead of Alice you're saying D8x0, or 5D (Mk I, II, III...)? What if instead of Bob you're saying K-1? See, your system doesn't add anything at all. OTOH, nobody familiar with the existing conventions would wonder if the K-70 is a higher-end camera than the K-1. The K-1 itself gives an extremely clear message: it's the top of the K line. There's no question about that - but, who the h**l is Bob?