KP ranks #5 in Digicame Watch Award 2017.

**kwb** · 12-27-2017, 02:28 AM - **1 Like**

Pentax KP was voted #5 in デジカメ Watch アワード 2017 (Digicame Watch Award 2017).
https://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/special/dcaward/1098844.html

This is based on an online poll conducted by Digicame Watch in Japan where each reader could name up to 5 ILC as the camera(s) of the year. Apparently 4397 people cast their votes.

Top 5 runners are D850, alpha 7R III, alpha 9, GFX 50S, and KP.

KP is the only camera in top 5 that is NOT a spec monster one way or the other, it won't win anything in the catalog spec department. Yet KP got 966 points, almost half of D850's 1979 points!

KP's 966 points also means that more than 1 in 5 of 4397 readers named KP as one of their choices (966/4397 ~ 22/100 > 1/5).

KP is also the highest ranking APS-C camera. Competitors in a similar market segment (I guess) did poorly, X-T20 got 348 points, D7500 got 333.

D1N0 · 12-27-2017, 04:14 AM

Japanese Pentaxians are very active? Or The KP is a success in Japan?

ogl · 12-27-2017, 04:32 AM

KP is the worst camera here TCSTV: Pentax KP 2nd worst camera of 2017 - PentaxForums.com

MMVIII · 12-27-2017, 04:43 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by ogl

KP is the worst camera here TCSTV: Pentax KP 2nd worst camera of 2017 - PentaxForums.com

Wow, can you remember those kids, that were at the beach and kicked all the other kids sand castles, just because...

D1N0 · 12-27-2017, 05:35 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by ogl

KP is the worst camera here TCSTV: Pentax KP 2nd worst camera of 2017 - PentaxForums.com

You don't like good news, do you?

First of all, it is only bad because the K-70 has such great value and Jordan doesn't like the grips (he's a video guy anyway, so who cares) Second , was not named the worst, but second worst.

Originally posted by MMVIII

Wow, can you remember those kids, that were at the beach and kicked all the other kids sand castles, just because...

This is where OGL says:

Originally posted by OGL:

In Soviet Russia sand castles kick you

ogl · 12-27-2017, 05:36 AM

Originally posted by D1N0

You don't like good news, do you?

First of all, it is only bad because the K-70 has such great value and Jordan doesn't like the grips (he's a video guy anyway, so who cares) Second , was not named the worst, but second worst.

All such news are vanity of vanities. Worst or best are the same

OoKU · 12-27-2017, 05:37 AM

2016 year the 1st is Pentax K1
2015 year the 1st is Pentax K32

HarisF1 · 12-27-2017, 06:09 AM - **2 Likes**

People who know what they're talking about will see the KP as a very good APS-C camera. Those who are obsessed with the latest and greatest specs will obviously not see how refined the KP actually is. Sure, it may lack a few of the top professional features that the K-3 has, but it's got 99% of the features that the average Joe-tographer wants in their camera. If it makes a newbie feel like a pro, it's doing its job.

**kwb** · 12-27-2017, 06:17 PM

Originally posted by D1N0

Japanese Pentaxians are very active? Or The KP is a success in Japan?

Probably it's a combination of a bit of both.

About 1000 people voting for KP, they certainly look active. I don't know if Japanese Pentaxians are more active than, say, Japanese Canon users, but it's plausible.

Is KP a success? Don't know, but it can't be a total flop judging from 2017/12/20-26 ILC sales ranking at kakaku.com (KP is #14 though we cannot know exactly how this ranking is calculated).
http://kakaku.com/camera/digital-slr-camera/ranking_0049/

x4rd · 12-28-2017, 12:50 AM

The problem with KP is that it's arrival was not comminucated properly. Many of fellow readers and forum members stated that KP is a successor of a K-3 line, but it's not. This confusion as well as lack of serious marketing, explaining the target base of this product lead to such media response as in TCSTV.

totsmuyco · 12-28-2017, 01:41 AM - **1 Like**

The guys from TCSTV have their own opinion. I don't know if they're right. However, my observation is Pentax has little or no promotion at all. Probably the Japanese don't care about the global market. The K-70 is such a great camera and the KP has made leaps and bounds when it comes to image quality. Nobody looks at Pentax as sellers would normally recommend Canon or Nikon. It seems that there are only a few besides Pentaxians who know about Pentax cameras. Sad, I hope Ricoh will do something about this.

**Rondec** · 12-28-2017, 04:06 AM

The problem with the K-P was a combination of its launch price (close to 1000 dollars?) and its specifications (adequate but not top end). Launch it at 800 or 850 and it looks like a better deal. Certainly versus a camera like the D5600, it has better specs, better image quality and a significantly better viewfinder. But people compare it to the K3 II, which is still a really good deal or the K70, which is also a really good deal and say "Why is the K-P so expensive?"

But of course, the K-P is newer than either of those cameras and had a higher release price and in a way, it splits the difference between those cameras, combining some of the features of the K3 II (more auto focus points, faster frame rate) with the image quality of the K70, with a nice body build. It is understandable if not everyone connects with it, but that doesn't make it a bad camera.

totsmuyco · 12-28-2017, 04:21 AM

Originally posted by Rondec

The problem with the K-P was a combination of its launch price (close to 1000 dollars?) and its specifications (adequate but not top end). Launch it at 800 or 850 and it looks like a better deal. Certainly versus a camera like the D5600, it has better specs, better image quality and a significantly better viewfinder. But people compare it to the K3 II, which is still a really good deal or the K70, which is also a really good deal and say "Why is the K-P so expensive?"

But of course, the K-P is newer than either of those cameras and had a higher release price and in a way, it splits the difference between those cameras, combining some of the features of the K3 II (more auto focus points, faster frame rate) with the image quality of the K70, with a nice body build. It is understandable if not everyone connects with it, but that doesn't make it a bad camera.

I agree. The entry price point was quite expensive. I can only speculate about how they priced it. Probably the production cost of this camera is quite high and, they projected lower sales volume than usual. So maybe they placed a higher mark up to recover their cost plus a good profit margin.

I still believe that Ricoh should put some budget on marketing Pentax. I don't know how but, they have to be creative to make things catchy when they do it.

beholder3 · 12-28-2017, 04:34 AM

Originally posted by ogl

KP is the worst camera here...

Hm. So you think a negative 1 person opinion holds any meaning compared to the weight of 966 persons' positive opinion about the K-P?

That is "alternative facts" in pure form.

bxf · 12-28-2017, 04:55 AM

Originally posted by beholder3

Hm. So you think a negative 1 person opinion holds any meaning compared to the weight of 966 persons' positive opinion about the K-P?

Of course. This one person has Youtube channel!

12-27-2017, 05:36 AM	#6
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by D1N0 You don't like good news, do you? First of all, it is only bad because the K-70 has such great value and Jordan doesn't like the grips (he's a video guy anyway, so who cares) Second , was not named the worst, but second worst. All such news are vanity of vanities. Worst or best are the same Last edited by ogl; 12-27-2017 at 10:09 AM.

12-28-2017, 01:41 AM - 1 Like	#11
totsmuyco Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Iloilo City Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,276	The guys from TCSTV have their own opinion. I don't know if they're right. However, my observation is Pentax has little or no promotion at all. Probably the Japanese don't care about the global market. The K-70 is such a great camera and the KP has made leaps and bounds when it comes to image quality. Nobody looks at Pentax as sellers would normally recommend Canon or Nikon. It seems that there are only a few besides Pentaxians who know about Pentax cameras. Sad, I hope Ricoh will do something about this. Last edited by totsmuyco; 12-28-2017 at 01:42 AM. Reason: Grammar

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12-27-2017, 02:28 AM - 1 Like	#1
kwb Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Pacific North West Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,223	KP ranks #5 in Digicame Watch Award 2017. Pentax KP was voted #5 in デジカメ Watch アワード 2017 (Digicame Watch Award 2017). https://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/special/dcaward/1098844.html This is based on an online poll conducted by Digicame Watch in Japan where each reader could name up to 5 ILC as the camera(s) of the year. Apparently 4397 people cast their votes. Top 5 runners are D850, alpha 7R III, alpha 9, GFX 50S, and KP. KP is the only camera in top 5 that is NOT a spec monster one way or the other, it won't win anything in the catalog spec department. Yet KP got 966 points, almost half of D850's 1979 points! KP's 966 points also means that more than 1 in 5 of 4397 readers named KP as one of their choices (966/4397 ~ 22/100 > 1/5). KP is also the highest ranking APS-C camera. Competitors in a similar market segment (I guess) did poorly, X-T20 got 348 points, D7500 got 333.

12-27-2017, 04:14 AM	#2
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	Japanese Pentaxians are very active? Or The KP is a success in Japan?

12-27-2017, 04:32 AM	#3
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	KP is the worst camera here TCSTV: Pentax KP 2nd worst camera of 2017 - PentaxForums.com

12-27-2017, 04:43 AM - 2 Likes	#4
MMVIII Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: EU Posts: 1,121	Originally posted by ogl KP is the worst camera here TCSTV: Pentax KP 2nd worst camera of 2017 - PentaxForums.com Wow, can you remember those kids, that were at the beach and kicked all the other kids sand castles, just because...

12-27-2017, 05:35 AM - 2 Likes	#5
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	Originally posted by ogl KP is the worst camera here TCSTV: Pentax KP 2nd worst camera of 2017 - PentaxForums.com You don't like good news, do you? First of all, it is only bad because the K-70 has such great value and Jordan doesn't like the grips (he's a video guy anyway, so who cares) Second , was not named the worst, but second worst. Originally posted by MMVIII Wow, can you remember those kids, that were at the beach and kicked all the other kids sand castles, just because... This is where OGL says: Originally posted by OGL: In Soviet Russia sand castles kick you

12-27-2017, 05:37 AM	#7
OoKU Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 740	2016 year the 1st is Pentax K1 2015 year the 1st is Pentax K32

12-27-2017, 06:09 AM - 2 Likes	#8
HarisF1 Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 543	People who know what they're talking about will see the KP as a very good APS-C camera. Those who are obsessed with the latest and greatest specs will obviously not see how refined the KP actually is. Sure, it may lack a few of the top professional features that the K-3 has, but it's got 99% of the features that the average Joe-tographer wants in their camera. If it makes a newbie feel like a pro, it's doing its job.

12-27-2017, 06:17 PM	#9
kwb Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Pacific North West Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,223 Original Poster	Originally posted by D1N0 Japanese Pentaxians are very active? Or The KP is a success in Japan? Probably it's a combination of a bit of both. About 1000 people voting for KP, they certainly look active. I don't know if Japanese Pentaxians are more active than, say, Japanese Canon users, but it's plausible. Is KP a success? Don't know, but it can't be a total flop judging from 2017/12/20-26 ILC sales ranking at kakaku.com (KP is #14 though we cannot know exactly how this ranking is calculated). http://kakaku.com/camera/digital-slr-camera/ranking_0049/

12-28-2017, 12:50 AM	#10
x4rd Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 241	The problem with KP is that it's arrival was not comminucated properly. Many of fellow readers and forum members stated that KP is a successor of a K-3 line, but it's not. This confusion as well as lack of serious marketing, explaining the target base of this product lead to such media response as in TCSTV.

12-28-2017, 04:06 AM	#12
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,657	The problem with the K-P was a combination of its launch price (close to 1000 dollars?) and its specifications (adequate but not top end). Launch it at 800 or 850 and it looks like a better deal. Certainly versus a camera like the D5600, it has better specs, better image quality and a significantly better viewfinder. But people compare it to the K3 II, which is still a really good deal or the K70, which is also a really good deal and say "Why is the K-P so expensive?" But of course, the K-P is newer than either of those cameras and had a higher release price and in a way, it splits the difference between those cameras, combining some of the features of the K3 II (more auto focus points, faster frame rate) with the image quality of the K70, with a nice body build. It is understandable if not everyone connects with it, but that doesn't make it a bad camera.

12-28-2017, 04:21 AM	#13
totsmuyco Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Iloilo City Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,276	Originally posted by Rondec The problem with the K-P was a combination of its launch price (close to 1000 dollars?) and its specifications (adequate but not top end). Launch it at 800 or 850 and it looks like a better deal. Certainly versus a camera like the D5600, it has better specs, better image quality and a significantly better viewfinder. But people compare it to the K3 II, which is still a really good deal or the K70, which is also a really good deal and say "Why is the K-P so expensive?" But of course, the K-P is newer than either of those cameras and had a higher release price and in a way, it splits the difference between those cameras, combining some of the features of the K3 II (more auto focus points, faster frame rate) with the image quality of the K70, with a nice body build. It is understandable if not everyone connects with it, but that doesn't make it a bad camera. I agree. The entry price point was quite expensive. I can only speculate about how they priced it. Probably the production cost of this camera is quite high and, they projected lower sales volume than usual. So maybe they placed a higher mark up to recover their cost plus a good profit margin. I still believe that Ricoh should put some budget on marketing Pentax. I don't know how but, they have to be creative to make things catchy when they do it.

12-28-2017, 04:34 AM	#14
beholder3 Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 3,112	Originally posted by ogl KP is the worst camera here... Hm. So you think a negative 1 person opinion holds any meaning compared to the weight of 966 persons' positive opinion about the K-P? That is "alternative facts" in pure form.

12-28-2017, 04:55 AM	#15
bxf Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Lisbon area Posts: 1,660	Originally posted by beholder3 Hm. So you think a negative 1 person opinion holds any meaning compared to the weight of 966 persons' positive opinion about the K-P? Of course. This one person has Youtube channel!