K-1 Mark II!

robjmitchell · 02-11-2018, 02:41 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by jatrax

Three new cameras: K-1 mkII, K-3 mkIII and 645z mkII. Announced at CP+ but not all available soon. All using a new generation of sensor with supporting technology.

I am not under NDA so I can tell you the truth as I know it. Also, remember that those who are talking know nothing and those who know are not talking.

The Key here is the sensors.
The 42mp BSI FF sony sensor is on the market.
The 150mp/24mp MF/Aps-C BSI sensors is scheduled for release this year.

D1N0 · 02-12-2018, 08:36 AM

video speculating the K-1 is discontinued because the im094 sensor is no longer available. I don't understand Japanese, so I don't get why it has to be so long

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Youtu.be

**jatrax** · 02-12-2018, 09:31 AM - **4 Likes**

Originally posted by robjmitchell

The Key here is the sensors.
The 42mp BSI FF sony sensor is on the market.
The 150mp/24mp MF/Aps-C BSI sensors is scheduled for release this year.

Exactly. Without this new sensor being available there has been no point in releasing a new APS-C flagship. Nothing has really changed since the K-3II tech to make it worth the effort. But building a new generation of cameras around a new generation of sensor technology shared across multiple formats. That makes a surprising amount of sense.

**monochrome** · 02-12-2018, 09:44 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by jatrax

Exactly. Without this new sensor being available there has been no point in releasing a new APS-C flagship. Nothing has really changed since the K-3II tech to make it worth the effort. But building a new generation of cameras around a new generation of sensor technology shared across multiple formats. That makes a surprising amount of sense.

Not committing to an APSc flagship (which could be 15-18 months from release) before understanding what Nikon and Canon do with APSc mirrorless might be prudent.

But it is likely APSc platform unit volume is necessary to cost out whatever hardware components are developed for the new camera(s).

Kunzite · 02-12-2018, 10:02 AM

Maybe they're also struggling to understand performance. This is precisely the area they're weaker at.
In whatever form they'll implement performance, I'll buy it (assuming I can afford it). Because I already have image quality.

normhead · 02-12-2018, 10:04 AM

Originally posted by HoundFrog

Well maybe but original Fb post about K-1 being discontinued also was coming from the Czech source. I would say something is going on here.

That story didn't Czech out.

OTH · 02-12-2018, 10:17 AM

Originally posted by D1N0

video speculating the K-1 is discontinued because the im094 sensor is no longer available. I don't understand Japanese, so I don't get why it has to be so long

That's possible and i'm sure that the K-3 II is also dicontinued because the used sensor is no longer produced. I wouldn't be surprised if the K-1's sensor would be replaced by the 42 MP sensor from Sony. No big deal but a facelift.

Rico · 02-12-2018, 10:20 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Kunzite

Maybe they're also struggling to understand performance. This is precisely the area they're weaker at.
In whatever form they'll implement performance, I'll buy it (assuming I can afford it). Because I already have image quality.

Just moving both the K-1 and K-3II to UHS-II would greatly improve performance without having to change anything else.

They could probably lower the price as well.

Kunzite · 02-12-2018, 10:31 AM

IMO there are many areas to improve, but card write speed is (for me at least) on top of the list.

Rico · 02-12-2018, 12:14 PM

Originally posted by Kunzite

IMO there are many areas to improve, but card write speed is (for me at least) on top of the list.

Really there is no sense in upgrading anything until they move the storage to at least UHS-II.

biz-engineer · 02-12-2018, 01:01 PM

Pentax K1 old milebau processor to swallow the 42Mp, it's going to smoke.

**Belnan** · 02-12-2018, 01:06 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by biz-engineer

Pentax K1 old milebau processor to swallow the 42Mp, it's going to smoke.

Do you mean smoke as in be fast or smoke as in overheat and catch on fire?

Kunzite · 02-12-2018, 01:09 PM

Or at least full UHS-I (SDR-104) speed.
I don't really disagree; I find the wake-up delay annoying, too - for example. And if you don't stress out the buffer, the AF-C might be more important.

MJKoski · 02-12-2018, 01:10 PM

I hope it is not the 42MP Sony sensor. It is notoriously bad with long exposures, horrible even. Requires -30C to get to multiminute level properly. R2 was horrible long exposure camera and R3 seems to be even worse than that.

D1N0 · 02-12-2018, 01:11 PM

They will need the new 4k 30p milbeaut. That is not a problem, it has been out for ages. Nor is increasing the camera writing speed if they do. But the 42mp sensor has so far only been in Sony camera's and it is not on the third party list. Products Line up for Camera Image Sensor for Camera | Sony Semiconductor Solutions Corporation The imx094 is still on there though so maybe it will be in the K1 II after all. Worst case scenario would be a 24mp sensor. Would be good for the market value of used k-1's though

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02-11-2018, 02:41 PM - 1 Like	#691
robjmitchell Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Melbourne Aus Posts: 1,776	Originally posted by jatrax Three new cameras: K-1 mkII, K-3 mkIII and 645z mkII. Announced at CP+ but not all available soon. All using a new generation of sensor with supporting technology. I am not under NDA so I can tell you the truth as I know it. Also, remember that those who are talking know nothing and those who know are not talking. The Key here is the sensors. The 42mp BSI FF sony sensor is on the market. The 150mp/24mp MF/Aps-C BSI sensors is scheduled for release this year.

02-12-2018, 09:31 AM - 4 Likes	#693
jatrax Site Supporter Join Date: May 2010 Location: Washington Cascades Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,991	Originally posted by robjmitchell The Key here is the sensors. The 42mp BSI FF sony sensor is on the market. The 150mp/24mp MF/Aps-C BSI sensors is scheduled for release this year. Exactly. Without this new sensor being available there has been no point in releasing a new APS-C flagship. Nothing has really changed since the K-3II tech to make it worth the effort. But building a new generation of cameras around a new generation of sensor technology shared across multiple formats. That makes a surprising amount of sense.

02-12-2018, 09:44 AM - 1 Like	#694
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by jatrax Exactly. Without this new sensor being available there has been no point in releasing a new APS-C flagship. Nothing has really changed since the K-3II tech to make it worth the effort. But building a new generation of cameras around a new generation of sensor technology shared across multiple formats. That makes a surprising amount of sense. Not committing to an APSc flagship (which could be 15-18 months from release) before understanding what Nikon and Canon do with APSc mirrorless might be prudent. But it is likely APSc platform unit volume is necessary to cost out whatever hardware components are developed for the new camera(s).

02-12-2018, 10:02 AM	#695
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Maybe they're also struggling to understand performance. This is precisely the area they're weaker at. In whatever form they'll implement performance, I'll buy it (assuming I can afford it). Because I already have image quality.

02-12-2018, 10:04 AM	#696
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by HoundFrog Well maybe but original Fb post about K-1 being discontinued also was coming from the Czech source. I would say something is going on here. That story didn't Czech out.

02-12-2018, 10:17 AM	#697
OTH Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 42	Originally posted by D1N0 video speculating the K-1 is discontinued because the im094 sensor is no longer available. I don't understand Japanese, so I don't get why it has to be so long That's possible and i'm sure that the K-3 II is also dicontinued because the used sensor is no longer produced. I wouldn't be surprised if the K-1's sensor would be replaced by the 42 MP sensor from Sony. No big deal but a facelift.

02-12-2018, 10:20 AM - 1 Like	#698
Rico Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,205	Originally posted by Kunzite Maybe they're also struggling to understand performance. This is precisely the area they're weaker at. In whatever form they'll implement performance, I'll buy it (assuming I can afford it). Because I already have image quality. Just moving both the K-1 and K-3II to UHS-II would greatly improve performance without having to change anything else. They could probably lower the price as well.

02-12-2018, 10:31 AM	#699
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	IMO there are many areas to improve, but card write speed is (for me at least) on top of the list.

02-12-2018, 12:14 PM	#700
Rico Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,205	Originally posted by Kunzite IMO there are many areas to improve, but card write speed is (for me at least) on top of the list. Really there is no sense in upgrading anything until they move the storage to at least UHS-II.

02-12-2018, 01:01 PM	#701
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,232	Pentax K1 old milebau processor to swallow the 42Mp, it's going to smoke.

02-12-2018, 01:06 PM - 1 Like	#702
Belnan Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Nova Scotia Photos: Albums Posts: 1,090	Originally posted by biz-engineer Pentax K1 old milebau processor to swallow the 42Mp, it's going to smoke. Do you mean smoke as in be fast or smoke as in overheat and catch on fire?

02-12-2018, 01:09 PM	#703
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Or at least full UHS-I (SDR-104) speed. I don't really disagree; I find the wake-up delay annoying, too - for example. And if you don't stress out the buffer, the AF-C might be more important.

02-12-2018, 01:10 PM	#704
MJKoski Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 1,784	I hope it is not the 42MP Sony sensor. It is notoriously bad with long exposures, horrible even. Requires -30C to get to multiminute level properly. R2 was horrible long exposure camera and R3 seems to be even worse than that.

02-12-2018, 01:11 PM	#705
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	They will need the new 4k 30p milbeaut. That is not a problem, it has been out for ages. Nor is increasing the camera writing speed if they do. But the 42mp sensor has so far only been in Sony camera's and it is not on the third party list. Products Line up for Camera Image Sensor for Camera \| Sony Semiconductor Solutions Corporation The imx094 is still on there though so maybe it will be in the K1 II after all. Worst case scenario would be a 24mp sensor. Would be good for the market value of used k-1's though .