From Asahi man

thibs · 02-12-2018, 03:00 AM

Actually in this very case and as long as pricing is decent, why not rebadge Tammy's 17-50 ?
Only heard good things about that one. Is it good enough to fit in the range ??

Of course no * then, but if they do not have the funds/time/whatever seems acceptable to me.

A real update with DC would be nice though... (16-50 and 50-135).

Kunzite · 02-12-2018, 03:08 AM

@superdave:
I agree, they should improve their visibility. Even if they don't want to get into specifics about new products, there's much that could be done.

@thibs:
Not this rebadging nonsense again!
Are you seriously suggesting Pentax should replace their DA* with a decade old Tamron?

robjmitchell · 02-12-2018, 03:31 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

@superdave:
I'm not sure they would put new APS-C lenses on the roadmap, if they're updates for existing lenses. They didn't for the 55-300 RE PLM...

Don’t forget, every new FF K-mount lens will work perfectly well on your APS-C camera if its KAF4 compatible.
Most of the complaints have been about lack of fast wide glass which FF releases will mostly fix up. The 11-18/2.8 is really the only piece that was noticeable missing from the line up. Not that some upgraded lens motors wouldn’t go astray.

Kunzite · 02-12-2018, 03:40 AM

Right, but the 16-50 might also benefit from improved optics.

Sandy Hancock · 02-12-2018, 03:58 AM - **9 Likes**

Stop moaning.
Be patient, or buy into another system.

**Rondec** · 02-12-2018, 04:11 AM - **5 Likes**

For the last year and a half, we have been clamoring for new gear and now, we are upset because it isn't the right new gear, even though the indications are that Pentax is working on several different things.

The problem clearly is that Pentax is a relatively small company that is going to have trouble releasing more than two to three new cameras in a given year, plus lenses for those cameras. If you are someone who needs a new camera every eighteen months then maybe Pentax isn't the camera company for you.

Maybe it speaks to my level of pessimism last year, but if they had announced, even a new 645z and a 20mm lens for medium format, I would have been happy. Not because I was interested in those items, but because it showed they are working on something behind the scenes. And that is what I take away from this rumored activity. Pentax is working on several cameras which apparently will be released in the order of full frame, medium format, and then high end APS-C. In the end, the crop folks should be happy, but it will probably be fall before we get an official announcement with specifications.

In the meantime, used K-1s will probably be hitting the market as people upgrade to the K1 II and will actually be cheaper than the coming K3 III and this will test the resolve of current crop users as to whether or not they maybe, just maybe want to try out full frame...

**beachgardener** · 02-12-2018, 05:40 AM - **1 Like**

youz are all gonna be spittin' chips when ya find out that the K-1 II is a moderate polish on the already good K-1

**clickclick** · 02-12-2018, 06:03 AM

Originally posted by reh321

CP+ is only something like 2-½ weeks away. If they're going to make a major move soon, wouldn't they make it in time to talk about it there?

That's my thought exactly - CP+ is just a few weeks away, and it will hopefully kick off a good month for Pentax fans with new equipment. Release new products and make announcements at CP+ = good month of March for all the postive follow-up commentary I know this forum will be full of!

(and if not, the beatings will continue until morale improves)

Kunzite · 02-12-2018, 06:04 AM - **1 Like**

@beachgardener:
I planned to buy lenses this year, anyway. I do hope they're working on performance though...
Wait... moderate Polish? Do you mean... that it's easier to learn than Czech?

kenspo · 02-12-2018, 06:36 AM - **6 Likes**

Originally posted by Sandy Hancock

Stop moaning.
Be patient, or buy into another system.

Had at least 3 other offers to switch..I said no..Cause I'm excited

D1N0 · 02-12-2018, 06:40 AM

Kenspo likes being chased by the Ricoh YaKuza. Let's hear some snippets Kenspo. I am not sure about taking Asahi man seriously any more.

dafbp · 02-12-2018, 06:43 AM

Originally posted by robjmitchell

Don’t forget, every new FF K-mount lens will work perfectly well on your APS-C camera if its KAF4 compatible.

Don't know what you mean by KAF4 compatible: the 150-450DFA works fine in my K-5iis (although the focus buttons in the lens aren't seen by the camera). In fact, it specifically does not support KAF4.

kenspo · 02-12-2018, 06:45 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by D1N0

Kenspo likes being chased by the Ricoh YaKuza. Let's hear some snippets Kenspo. I am not sure about taking Asahi man seriously any more.

They have many eyes on me these days

Im not told exactly the same as him, but we have different sources. Something will happen soon anyway!

Doundounba · 02-12-2018, 06:50 AM

Originally posted by dafbp

Don't know what you mean by KAF4 compatible: the 150-450DFA works fine in my K-5iis (although the focus buttons in the lens aren't seen by the camera). In fact, it specifically does not support KAF4.

The only KAF4 lens so far is the 55-300 PLM. The 150-450 is NOT a KAF4 lens. The new 50 will almost certainly be KAF4. Bodies not compatible with KAF4 will physically mount and focus a KAF4 lens but won't be able to control its aperture and so will only shoot the lens wide open. KAF4 lenses don't have a physical aperture lever.

Kunzite · 02-12-2018, 06:51 AM

Originally posted by dafbp

Don't know what you mean by KAF4 compatible

He's probably thinking of the D FA* 50mm f/1.4, which is KAF4 (and there's a good chance the future lenses will be KAF4, too).

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02-12-2018, 03:00 AM	#136
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Actually in this very case and as long as pricing is decent, why not rebadge Tammy's 17-50 ? Only heard good things about that one. Is it good enough to fit in the range ?? Of course no * then, but if they do not have the funds/time/whatever seems acceptable to me. A real update with DC would be nice though... (16-50 and 50-135).

02-12-2018, 03:08 AM	#137
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	@superdave: I agree, they should improve their visibility. Even if they don't want to get into specifics about new products, there's much that could be done. @thibs: Not this rebadging nonsense again! Are you seriously suggesting Pentax should replace their DA* with a decade old Tamron?

02-12-2018, 03:31 AM	#138
robjmitchell Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Melbourne Aus Posts: 1,776	Originally posted by Kunzite @superdave: I'm not sure they would put new APS-C lenses on the roadmap, if they're updates for existing lenses. They didn't for the 55-300 RE PLM... Don’t forget, every new FF K-mount lens will work perfectly well on your APS-C camera if its KAF4 compatible. Most of the complaints have been about lack of fast wide glass which FF releases will mostly fix up. The 11-18/2.8 is really the only piece that was noticeable missing from the line up. Not that some upgraded lens motors wouldn’t go astray.

02-12-2018, 03:40 AM	#139
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Right, but the 16-50 might also benefit from improved optics.

02-12-2018, 03:58 AM - 9 Likes	#140
Sandy Hancock Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Adelaide Hills, South Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,275	Stop moaning. Be patient, or buy into another system.

02-12-2018, 04:11 AM - 5 Likes	#141
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,663	For the last year and a half, we have been clamoring for new gear and now, we are upset because it isn't the right new gear, even though the indications are that Pentax is working on several different things. The problem clearly is that Pentax is a relatively small company that is going to have trouble releasing more than two to three new cameras in a given year, plus lenses for those cameras. If you are someone who needs a new camera every eighteen months then maybe Pentax isn't the camera company for you. Maybe it speaks to my level of pessimism last year, but if they had announced, even a new 645z and a 20mm lens for medium format, I would have been happy. Not because I was interested in those items, but because it showed they are working on something behind the scenes. And that is what I take away from this rumored activity. Pentax is working on several cameras which apparently will be released in the order of full frame, medium format, and then high end APS-C. In the end, the crop folks should be happy, but it will probably be fall before we get an official announcement with specifications. In the meantime, used K-1s will probably be hitting the market as people upgrade to the K1 II and will actually be cheaper than the coming K3 III and this will test the resolve of current crop users as to whether or not they maybe, just maybe want to try out full frame...

02-12-2018, 05:40 AM - 1 Like	#142
beachgardener Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,842	youz are all gonna be spittin' chips when ya find out that the K-1 II is a moderate polish on the already good K-1

02-12-2018, 06:03 AM	#143
clickclick Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: May 2016 Location: East Coast Posts: 2,903	Originally posted by reh321 CP+ is only something like 2-½ weeks away. If they're going to make a major move soon, wouldn't they make it in time to talk about it there? That's my thought exactly - CP+ is just a few weeks away, and it will hopefully kick off a good month for Pentax fans with new equipment. Release new products and make announcements at CP+ = good month of March for all the postive follow-up commentary I know this forum will be full of! (and if not, the beatings will continue until morale improves)

02-12-2018, 06:04 AM - 1 Like	#144
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	@beachgardener: I planned to buy lenses this year, anyway. I do hope they're working on performance though... Wait... moderate Polish? Do you mean... that it's easier to learn than Czech?

02-12-2018, 06:36 AM - 6 Likes	#145
kenspo Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Oslo Posts: 2,207	Originally posted by Sandy Hancock Stop moaning. Be patient, or buy into another system. Had at least 3 other offers to switch..I said no..Cause I'm excited

02-12-2018, 06:40 AM	#146
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	Kenspo likes being chased by the Ricoh YaKuza. Let's hear some snippets Kenspo. I am not sure about taking Asahi man seriously any more.

02-12-2018, 06:43 AM	#147
dafbp Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 233	Originally posted by robjmitchell Don’t forget, every new FF K-mount lens will work perfectly well on your APS-C camera if its KAF4 compatible. Don't know what you mean by KAF4 compatible: the 150-450DFA works fine in my K-5iis (although the focus buttons in the lens aren't seen by the camera). In fact, it specifically does not support KAF4.

02-12-2018, 06:45 AM - 1 Like	#148
kenspo Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Oslo Posts: 2,207	Originally posted by D1N0 Kenspo likes being chased by the Ricoh YaKuza. Let's hear some snippets Kenspo. I am not sure about taking Asahi man seriously any more. They have many eyes on me these days Im not told exactly the same as him, but we have different sources. Something will happen soon anyway!

02-12-2018, 06:50 AM	#149
Doundounba Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Montréal QC Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,351	Originally posted by dafbp Don't know what you mean by KAF4 compatible: the 150-450DFA works fine in my K-5iis (although the focus buttons in the lens aren't seen by the camera). In fact, it specifically does not support KAF4. The only KAF4 lens so far is the 55-300 PLM. The 150-450 is NOT a KAF4 lens. The new 50 will almost certainly be KAF4. Bodies not compatible with KAF4 will physically mount and focus a KAF4 lens but won't be able to control its aperture and so will only shoot the lens wide open. KAF4 lenses don't have a physical aperture lever.

02-12-2018, 06:51 AM	#150
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by dafbp Don't know what you mean by KAF4 compatible He's probably thinking of the D FA* 50mm f/1.4, which is KAF4 (and there's a good chance the future lenses will be KAF4, too).