[pid]

the accelerator unit, USB3 and a faster processor and bigger buffer is enough difference to the old body. So a firmwareupdate for long awaited handheld PS is possible. Remember not long ago there was a firmwareupdate for the K-1 that never saw the daylight! Maybe we will get it now ;-)

[ogl]

I've read at 【?】????「PENTAX K-1 Mark II」???|?????????

We can use new Pixel Shift Resolution II with new hand-held shooting mode - it's another level of resolution.

[Rondec]

Not if it needs the increased computing power brought by the accelerator unit.

But, to play devil's advocate, it could be usable with the DCU, even if it couldn't be done in-camera. Somewhat like the K3 II did not have motion correction, but its RAW files could still be processed in post using motion correction features. As long as the camera captures the images correctly and stores them in a form that DCU can identify as the hand held version.

[ogl]

But, to play devil's advocate, it could be usable with the DCU, even if it couldn't be done in-camera. Somewhat like the K3 II did not have motion correction, but its RAW files could still be processed in post using motion correction features. As long as the camera captures the images correctly and stores them in a form that DCU can identify as the hand held version.

As I understand, motion correction in K-1II is much improved and the camera could be used hand held with PS system.

[ogl]

the accelerator unit, USB3 and a faster processor and bigger buffer is enough difference to the old body. So a firmwareupdate for long awaited handheld PS is possible. Remember not long ago there was a firmwareupdate for the K-1 that never saw the daylight! Maybe we will get it now ;-)

It seems to me no USB3.0

[photoptimist]

But why is a hardware change needed, doesn't both sensors and actuators already have pixel-level accuracy?

Doing PS+SR almost certainly needs much better sensors than single-shot SR does because of the increased stabilization time and greater sensitivity to inaccuracy.

1) Duration of stabilization:

The K-1's SR system sensors only needs to be accurate for 1 shutter speed time.

The K-1ii's SR+PS system sensors needs to be sufficiently accurate for period of 4 shutter speed times plus about 3/4 second of sensor data read-out.

2) Accuracy: Also, SR+PS is a lot less forgiving of error than plain single-shot SR.

During single-shot SR, uncorrected shifts of up to a pixel merely create slight blurring of the image. A serious pixel peeper might be disappointed but the image is not ruined.

But for PS, uncorrected errors of even half a pixel on any of the four shots creates very obnoxious checkerboard color artifacts on all the edges in the scene.


The point is the K-1ii needs double the sensor accuracy over more than four times the duration (more than 8X better overall) than the K-1 does.

[kenspo]

hope they will offer a firmwareupdate for the K-1 to get this feature too!

They wouldn't build a new camera if they could..Would they?

[Kunzite]

Sure thing, they're making a new camera because there's at least a hardware change. No sense of doing it otherwise.
Maybe we're lucky and it's not the hand-held Pixel Shift... but I wouldn't hold my breath.

[BarryE]

Just read over on pentaxrumors.com that the new SR II on the K-1 II will actually enable the handheld use of Pixel Shift. If true this is awesome news and something the competition doesn’t offer (yet).

It‘s some awesome tech. It doesn’t move the sensor by one pixel as on the first version when using a tripod but actually detects the handheld shake of the camera to capture the four images needed for the final image.

The upcoming Pentax K-1 Mark II DSLR camera will have an upgraded version of the Pixel Shift Resolution feature (SRII) | Pentax Rumors

That would be great, but, and it's a big but. I take a lot of Pixel Shift images and having spent the best part of three days, rebuilding my back-up strategy to cope with enormous amounts of PS data, I don't want PS for my landscapes. Please, please, don't tempt me ...;-)

[Igor123]

Doing PS+SR almost certainly needs much better sensors than single-shot SR does because of the increased stabilization time and greater sensitivity to inaccuracy.

1) Duration of stabilization:

The K-1's SR system sensors only needs to be accurate for 1 shutter speed time.

The K-1ii's SR+PS system sensors needs to be sufficiently accurate for period of 4 shutter speed times plus about 3/4 second of sensor data read-out.

2) Accuracy: Also, SR+PS is a lot less forgiving of error than plain single-shot SR.

During single-shot SR, uncorrected shifts of up to a pixel merely create slight blurring of the image. A serious pixel peeper might be disappointed but the image is not ruined.

But for PS, uncorrected errors of even half a pixel on any of the four shots creates very obnoxious checkerboard color artifacts on all the edges in the scene.


The point is the K-1ii needs double the sensor accuracy over more than four times the duration (more than 8X better overall) than the K-1 does.

I agree that it would be helped/improved by (1), but it is not necessary for handheld PS in mk1. Let's say the new SR "is good" for 1/10 s for a given shakyness, while the old "only" was good for 1/20s in that case. That just means that the mk2 would "support" PS for shutter speeds smaller than (1/10)/4+3*readouttime for mk2, and (1/20)/4+3*readouttime for mk1. Say 1/100 on mk2 while the older one would only do 1/200 in the same scenario. Not as good but not impossible/useless?

2 is possible I guess, but that would also mean they have been lazy/economical/not as good as possible in previous SR implementations if they didn't really achieve "pixellevel" accuracy with the SR. I never owned a K3 (went from K5 to K1) but the K3 pixel size is almost half of K1, and even if the SR was "slightly worse than pixellevel accuracy" in K3, would they have put a that much less accurate one in the K1 when having the k3 accuracy before? (In this case meaning that "slightly less than pixelprecision on k3 would be something like pixel level precision on k1 due to the larger pixels)

I agree better SR would certainly help, but unless 2 is true, shouldn't be a hard requirement for it to be doable...but as others have said, we have the market aspect that this feature may be something to increase the appeal of mk2 over mk1, and also of course backporting it, even if possible, would cost more than nothing so maybe that's also a con when talking probability of it becoming available on mk1 in firmware...

[beholder3]

They wouldn't build a new camera if they could..Would they?

Can you stop interfering with logical things that make sense?

[kenspo]

Can you stop interfering with logical things that make sense?

Sorry..Was a mistake

[monochrome]

People amaze me. Just a month ago my K-1 was 100% awesomeness. Now, waaahhhhh. I want the FW Update. Waaahhhh. It isn’t a good enough upgrade. Waaahhhh. Where’s my K-3 lll?

Boo Hoo Hoo.

[savoche]

Can you stop interfering with logical things that make sense?

Who is this Lo-G Carl you are referring to?

[savoche]

People amaze me. Just a month ago my K-1 was 100% awesomeness. Now, waaahhhhh. I want the FW Update.

Boo Hoo Hoo.

You're new around here, ain't you