Originally posted by jatrax But as far as I can tell all of that waiting is caused by people taking rumors, vague comments and things badly translated from another language and spinning it into a frenzy of self sustaining anticipation. That then falls flat when the made up expectations are not met. If Ricoh said "we will release xyz on 123" and then they do not, then that is a missed deadline. But they rarely say anything like that. I don't remember them ever mentioning a K-3II replacement. I don't remember that the "year of the primes" was ever uttered by anyone from Ricoh. They do publish a lens roadmap, something that as far as I know no one else does. Though I could be wrong on that. To me that has always meant things they are working on that might someday be delivered. To some it seems to mean things that should be delivered now. Just a different way of looking at it I suppose.
Ricoh rarely says anything, which leads people to grasp for other sources of information such as the rumor and hint givers. Otherwise we're left to just sit in the silence and wait for something that may or may not happen... I think you are an extremely patient person and perhaps have already got your 'needs' met. Maybe that is part of the PoV clashes?
Originally posted by jatrax I believe they said the DFA*50 was due spring of 2018? So if it comes then or a month late or two months late is that reason for the comments I see on this forum?
Well.. originally PF said 'coming soon' at last years CP+:
HD Pentax D FA? 50mm F1.4 Coming Soon - Pentax Announcements | PentaxForums.com but with no actual date provided
2017 Pentax Lens Roadmaps - CP+ 2017 | PentaxForums.com
'Soon' to you, me, steve, bob, joan, and fred could all be different.
Originally posted by jatrax I think all the weariness of waiting is caused not by Ricoh but rumormongers and people with unrealistic expectations. I do try to understand and if someone is a Pentax user and absolutely has to have a new 85mm f/1.4 lens or they will lose work or professional standing I can see they are concerned. In that case perhaps they need to move to another brand or add another brand. It is sad to see them go but nowhere except in the rumors has Ricoh ever said that lens will be delivered at any particular time.
My outlook is that if I cannot buy it today, it does not exist and there is no reason for me to be worried about it. I like Pentax but if they announced tomorrow that they were closing my current gear would last me 5 years and then I would change to another brand. My pictures are not going to be any different whether the camera is made by Pentax or someone else.
I'm not sure we really need a reason to want a product though. How many people buy new cars, shoes, clothes, TVs, phones, or any other physical product simply because they want something new and fresh? It is a consumer market and cameras are a part of that, even if one is using the product commercially to make their own product.
If we upgrade or buy a new product only when it makes business sense, then a lot of companies are going to be in trouble!
I'm with you though that if one cannot buy it today it doesn't exist. I've actually said the same thing on this forum in the past. But only have being 'burned' by waiting long enough...
I suspect at least some here who have commented with a melancholy view, over Ricoh's releases over the past few years, could feel the same.
Again to understand it means putting on someone elses shoes... to get away from the fact that your camera system satisfies your needs for the next 5 years. What if this was year 6 and you were looking for an upgrade, Ricoh was roadmapping upgrades, saying 'soon(tm)' and responding to interviews of 'looking into' product updates... all of which had you hanging on for another year.... and another year after that.... and maybe another year after those two... with still nothing to show for your patience? I think if we're honest most all would sing a different tune.
The people complaining generally seem to want to stay with the brand, they've loved the brand for years, they've helped the brand for years (buying into it and discussing the merits with others), but now the brand isn't returning the favor (in their minds).. its uhmming and ahhing with nothing (yet) to show for it.