Good: New roadmap, new lens

HarisF1 · 03-03-2018, 05:03 PM

They really need to manage the weight of the lens though. They went all out with the D-FA* and it shows in the IQ and the weight specs. This has to be a lens that the average joe can choose to upgrade to (from the 70-300 lenses), and not a huge burden to carry like the D-FA*.

Sandy Hancock · 03-03-2018, 06:03 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Dan Rentea

The one from the right was taken with my 35mm lens, the one from the left was taken with my 85mm, on a full frame. Totally different perspective, but I like both of them.

Fascinating comparison, and a clever bit of posing to mask the effect of the changed perspective.

For what it's worth though, I quite strongly prefer the 85mm image on the left - partly because of the natural light coming from the side and the more carefree hair styling, but her facial features and limbs are more flatteringly rendered to my eye. The two side by side look like twin sisters rather than the same girl.

Which one did the model prefer?

normhead · 03-03-2018, 06:44 PM - **1 Like**

Great images Dan. Maybe not portraity enough for some, portraits enough for me. However I also get Wheatfield's point having been trained in studio portraiture. All you need to do do now is one like my bread and butter while in school. Headshots etc for aspiring actors.

Dan Rentea · 03-04-2018, 01:57 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Sandy Hancock

Fascinating comparison, and a clever bit of posing to mask the effect of the changed perspective.

For what it's worth though, I quite strongly prefer the 85mm image on the left - partly because of the natural light coming from the side and the more carefree hair styling, but her facial features and limbs are more flatteringly rendered to my eye. The two side by side look like twin sisters rather than the same girl.

Which one did the model prefer?

She will have the chance to choose which one she likes. My job was to give her 2 similar images in terms of posing, but with different perspective. She didn't saw the wide angle image yet. In a few days we will celebrate a year since we start our colaboration for the portrait shooting sessions that I organise for photographers who want to have fun without paying a lot of money at workshops and I will give her as a gift 4-6 printed images, the one from the right being among them.

---------- Post added 03-04-18 at 09:05 AM ----------

Originally posted by normhead

Great images Dan. Maybe not portraity enough for some, portraits enough for me. However I also get Wheatfield's point having been trained in studio portraiture. All you need to do do now is one like my bread and butter while in school. Headshots etc for aspiring actors.

I understood also his point of view after his las comment and I gave him a like so that he understand that.

As for headshots, those are the ones that I do for corporaits or for aspiring models. I have tons of headshots, but the images were taken under a contract and I'm not allowed to post them online. I don't mind that because I take contracts just to pay the gear I buy, not to promote myself. Photography it's just a passion that is self-financing.

Dan Rentea · 03-08-2018, 07:48 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by awscreo

mmmm, 70-200 f4 is so tempting lol. I'd definitely sell my tamron and get that one, picking up a fast aperture shorter telephoto for portraits. Even though optically I quite like the tamron, carrying it around together with 15-30 and 28-105 is a pain lol. Most of the days I take 15-30, 28-105 and a small fast prime to go with it.

If you're talking about the old Tamron lens, I don't think it will be a match for the upcoming Pentax 70-200mm f4 lens. If it's going to be as good as the Canon 70-200mm f4L IS (and I'm sure that it will be), then it will be an amazing versatile lens once you mount it on K1. Look how sharp is the Canon lens wide open, at 200mm. You better start saving money because even if it's going to be release next year, time flies...

aurele · 03-08-2018, 08:33 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Dan Rentea

If you're talking about the old Tamron lens, I don't think it will be a match for the upcoming Pentax 70-200mm f4 lens. If it's going to be as good as the Canon 70-200mm f4L IS (and I'm sure that it will be), then it will be an amazing versatile lens once you mount it on K1. Look how sharp is the Canon lens wide open, at 200mm. You better start saving money because even if it's going to be release next year, time flies...

Considering the route Pentax is taking with lenses, we can bet safely that the 70-200 (if f4) will be as good as the Canon.

Then, the great question will always be "do i need f2.8 or f4 will do ?" Let's buy the two DFA !

I'm very tempted by the DFA*70-200 as i found the Tamron 70-200 a tad too soft up to f4, but, man, the Pentax is so freaking dense and heavy !

**clackers** · 03-08-2018, 12:25 PM

Originally posted by aurele

I'm very tempted by the DFA*70-200 as i found the Tamron 70-200 a tad too soft up to f4, but, man, the Pentax is so freaking dense and heavy !

We have to Suffer For Our Art, Aurele!

The high IQ lenses have a lot of glass in them and are expensive, that goes with the territory.

Last edited by clackers; 03-08-2018 at 12:47 PM.

Paul the Sunman · 03-08-2018, 03:06 PM

Originally posted by aurele

I'm very tempted by the DFA*70-200 as i found the Tamron 70-200 a tad too soft up to f4, but, man, the Pentax is so freaking dense and heavy !

I hear you ... but it is soooo good optically. A revelation. I love it.

normhead · 03-08-2018, 03:10 PM

Originally posted by Paul the Sunman

I hear you ... but it is soooo good optically. A revelation. I love it.

I'm waiting for the big heavy landscape 24 or 20mm. I'll carry one.

aurele · 03-08-2018, 04:16 PM

Originally posted by clackers

We have to Suffer For Our Art, Aurele!

The high IQ lenses have a lot of glass in them and are expensive, that goes with the territory.

Originally posted by Paul the Sunman

I hear you ... but it is soooo good optically. A revelation. I love it.

Truth to be told, i'm trying to convince me that i don't need the DFA and that the Tamron is good enough... but let's be honest, i'm gonna get the DFA anyway

---------- Post added 9th Mar 2018 at 12:34 AM ----------

I looked at the price online, and for some reason it cost 2300€ in France, whereas it's only 1200-1400€ (1600 USD) everywhere else in the world ! Strange !

**clackers** · 03-08-2018, 05:11 PM

Originally posted by aurele

[/COLOR]I looked at the price online, and for some reason it cost 2300€ in France, whereas it's only 1200-1400€ (1600 USD) everywhere else in the world ! Strange !

They must have read in your post that you were now 'in the market' and jacked up the price in the last hour, Aurele!

It will be magnificent, I'm sure.

Saori, its designer, is now finishing off the DFA* 50.

He once did the DA18-135 and DA21, he now clearly believes Bigger is Better.

**Digitalis** · 03-08-2018, 05:27 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by jatrax

I also saw a post (but think it was only speculation) that the lens would be fly-by-wire not on a helicoid.

oh dear god let that just be a falsehood.

**TwoUptons** · 03-08-2018, 05:46 PM

Originally posted by Digitalis

oh dear god let that just be a falsehood.

That would be a way to differentiate between the Tokina and the Pentax, but I don’t think it’s a likely one...

-Eric

**Digitalis** · 03-08-2018, 06:04 PM

From an R&D and tooling expense perspective it would be an expensive way to differentiate. Canon and Nikon lenses do not require by wire focusing.

awscreo · 03-08-2018, 07:32 PM

Originally posted by Dan Rentea

If you're talking about the old Tamron lens, I don't think it will be a match for the upcoming Pentax 70-200mm f4 lens. If it's going to be as good as the Canon 70-200mm f4L IS (and I'm sure that it will be), then it will be an amazing versatile lens once you mount it on K1. Look how sharp is the Canon lens wide open, at 200mm. You better start saving money because even if it's going to be release next year, time flies...

I'm sure it'll be better, being newer and a slower aperture (tends to be sharper). I use tamron for landscapes, but it is heavy and would happily replace the tamron with the 70-200 f4.

03-03-2018, 06:44 PM - 1 Like	#393
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Great images Dan. Maybe not portraity enough for some, portraits enough for me. However I also get Wheatfield's point having been trained in studio portraiture. All you need to do do now is one like my bread and butter while in school. Headshots etc for aspiring actors. Last edited by normhead; 03-03-2018 at 06:53 PM.

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03-03-2018, 05:03 PM	#391
HarisF1 Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 543	They really need to manage the weight of the lens though. They went all out with the D-FA* and it shows in the IQ and the weight specs. This has to be a lens that the average joe can choose to upgrade to (from the 70-300 lenses), and not a huge burden to carry like the D-FA*.

03-03-2018, 06:03 PM - 1 Like	#392
Sandy Hancock Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Adelaide Hills, South Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,272	Originally posted by Dan Rentea The one from the right was taken with my 35mm lens, the one from the left was taken with my 85mm, on a full frame. Totally different perspective, but I like both of them. Fascinating comparison, and a clever bit of posing to mask the effect of the changed perspective. For what it's worth though, I quite strongly prefer the 85mm image on the left - partly because of the natural light coming from the side and the more carefree hair styling, but her facial features and limbs are more flatteringly rendered to my eye. The two side by side look like twin sisters rather than the same girl. Which one did the model prefer?

03-04-2018, 01:57 AM - 1 Like	#394
Dan Rentea Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Bucharest Posts: 1,716	Originally posted by Sandy Hancock Fascinating comparison, and a clever bit of posing to mask the effect of the changed perspective. For what it's worth though, I quite strongly prefer the 85mm image on the left - partly because of the natural light coming from the side and the more carefree hair styling, but her facial features and limbs are more flatteringly rendered to my eye. The two side by side look like twin sisters rather than the same girl. Which one did the model prefer? She will have the chance to choose which one she likes. My job was to give her 2 similar images in terms of posing, but with different perspective. She didn't saw the wide angle image yet. In a few days we will celebrate a year since we start our colaboration for the portrait shooting sessions that I organise for photographers who want to have fun without paying a lot of money at workshops and I will give her as a gift 4-6 printed images, the one from the right being among them. ---------- Post added 03-04-18 at 09:05 AM ---------- Originally posted by normhead Great images Dan. Maybe not portraity enough for some, portraits enough for me. However I also get Wheatfield's point having been trained in studio portraiture. All you need to do do now is one like my bread and butter while in school. Headshots etc for aspiring actors. I understood also his point of view after his las comment and I gave him a like so that he understand that. As for headshots, those are the ones that I do for corporaits or for aspiring models. I have tons of headshots, but the images were taken under a contract and I'm not allowed to post them online. I don't mind that because I take contracts just to pay the gear I buy, not to promote myself. Photography it's just a passion that is self-financing.

03-08-2018, 08:33 AM - 1 Like	#396
aurele Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Paris, France Photos: Albums Posts: 3,217	Originally posted by Dan Rentea If you're talking about the old Tamron lens, I don't think it will be a match for the upcoming Pentax 70-200mm f4 lens. If it's going to be as good as the Canon 70-200mm f4L IS (and I'm sure that it will be), then it will be an amazing versatile lens once you mount it on K1. Look how sharp is the Canon lens wide open, at 200mm. You better start saving money because even if it's going to be release next year, time flies... Considering the route Pentax is taking with lenses, we can bet safely that the 70-200 (if f4) will be as good as the Canon. Then, the great question will always be "do i need f2.8 or f4 will do ?" Let's buy the two DFA ! I'm very tempted by the DFA*70-200 as i found the Tamron 70-200 a tad too soft up to f4, but, man, the Pentax is so freaking dense and heavy !

03-08-2018, 12:25 PM	#397
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by aurele I'm very tempted by the DFA70-200 as i found the Tamron 70-200 a tad too soft up to f4, but, man, the Pentax is so freaking dense and heavy ! We have to Suffer For Our Art, Aurele! The high IQ lenses have a lot of glass in them and are expensive, that goes with the territory. Last edited by clackers; 03-08-2018 at 12:47 PM.*

03-08-2018, 03:06 PM	#398
Paul the Sunman Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Melbourne Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,843	Originally posted by aurele I'm very tempted by the DFA*70-200 as i found the Tamron 70-200 a tad too soft up to f4, but, man, the Pentax is so freaking dense and heavy ! I hear you ... but it is soooo good optically. A revelation. I love it.

03-08-2018, 03:10 PM	#399
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by Paul the Sunman I hear you ... but it is soooo good optically. A revelation. I love it. I'm waiting for the big heavy landscape 24 or 20mm. I'll carry one.

03-08-2018, 04:16 PM	#400
aurele Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Paris, France Photos: Albums Posts: 3,217	Originally posted by clackers We have to Suffer For Our Art, Aurele! The high IQ lenses have a lot of glass in them and are expensive, that goes with the territory. Originally posted by Paul the Sunman I hear you ... but it is soooo good optically. A revelation. I love it. Truth to be told, i'm trying to convince me that i don't need the DFA and that the Tamron is good enough... but let's be honest, i'm gonna get the DFA anyway ---------- Post added 9th Mar 2018 at 12:34 AM ---------- I looked at the price online, and for some reason it cost 2300€ in France, whereas it's only 1200-1400€ (1600 USD) everywhere else in the world ! Strange !

03-08-2018, 05:11 PM	#401
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by aurele [/COLOR]I looked at the price online, and for some reason it cost 2300€ in France, whereas it's only 1200-1400€ (1600 USD) everywhere else in the world ! Strange ! They must have read in your post that you were now 'in the market' and jacked up the price in the last hour, Aurele! It will be magnificent, I'm sure. Saori, its designer, is now finishing off the DFA* 50. He once did the DA18-135 and DA21, he now clearly believes Bigger is Better.

03-08-2018, 05:27 PM - 1 Like	#402
Digitalis Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,694	Originally posted by jatrax I also saw a post (but think it was only speculation) that the lens would be fly-by-wire not on a helicoid. oh dear god let that just be a falsehood.

03-08-2018, 05:46 PM	#403
TwoUptons Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 4,215	Originally posted by Digitalis oh dear god let that just be a falsehood. That would be a way to differentiate between the Tokina and the Pentax, but I don’t think it’s a likely one... -Eric

03-08-2018, 06:04 PM	#404
Digitalis Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,694	From an R&D and tooling expense perspective it would be an expensive way to differentiate. Canon and Nikon lenses do not require by wire focusing.

03-08-2018, 07:32 PM	#405
awscreo Veteran Member Join Date: May 2016 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,722	Originally posted by Dan Rentea If you're talking about the old Tamron lens, I don't think it will be a match for the upcoming Pentax 70-200mm f4 lens. If it's going to be as good as the Canon 70-200mm f4L IS (and I'm sure that it will be), then it will be an amazing versatile lens once you mount it on K1. Look how sharp is the Canon lens wide open, at 200mm. You better start saving money because even if it's going to be release next year, time flies... I'm sure it'll be better, being newer and a slower aperture (tends to be sharper). I use tamron for landscapes, but it is heavy and would happily replace the tamron with the 70-200 f4.