GR relaunch in April?

Kunzite · 03-12-2018, 12:47 AM

Originally posted by ogl

K-5IIs SR is old too?

Of course it is. The current SR is capable of 5-axis corrections, up to 5 stops - and neat tricks like Pixel Shift and AA filter simulator.

OTOH, I could sometimes get 1/2" with the old K20D...

ogl · 03-12-2018, 09:05 AM

GRII is just dropped 20% in price in Russia.

Fogel70 · 03-12-2018, 02:00 PM

Originally posted by Kunzite

Of course it is. The current SR is capable of 5-axis corrections, up to 5 stops - and neat tricks like Pixel Shift and AA filter simulator.

OTOH, I could sometimes get 1/2" with the old K20D...

It's not a major change in hardware between 3-axis and 5-axis. The 3-axis SR in K3II was rated 4.5 stops. The biggest gain is probably in motion sensors that has gotten faster and with higher resolution in motion capturing.

It does not matter much as long as the rating is according to CIPA standard, which only test pitch and yaw (2-axis). The only thing 5-axis add is ability compensate better for high magnification shots, the other things you mention was already done with 3-axis.

To be able to use SR on GR, Ricoh need to design a new much more compact SR. Then it may be possible to only double the size of GR and add 50-100g on weight on GR.

If only wanting things like pixel shift and AA simulator, a much simpler and compact design could be used, which would offer better performance on pixel shift and AA simulator.
The SR mechanism is kind of slow for these things.

DMITRY1 · 03-12-2018, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by ogl

GRII is just dropped 20% in price in Russia.

A GR is pictured, not the GR II. How much is the GR II in the old country these days?

Kunzite · 03-12-2018, 02:35 PM

@Fogel70: the performance was improved, since the first iterations. And neither of Ogl's cameras was a K-3 II

Rico · 03-12-2018, 04:43 PM

The GRII is out of stock in NYC.

The Accelerator Unit combined with a 24mp BSI sensor is the next evolution.

Fogel70 · 03-12-2018, 08:21 PM

Originally posted by Kunzite

@Fogel70: the performance was improved, since the first iterations. And neither of Ogl's cameras was a K-3 II

But has there been any major improvements on SR performance since K5? K5 SR was rated 4 stops.

ogl · 03-12-2018, 08:31 PM

Originally posted by DMITRY1

A GR is pictured, not the GR II. How much is the GR II in the old country these days?

No GR in stock for a long time. GRII is on sale. 570 EURO now.

How do you know that it's GR, not GRII???

))

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1159252-REG/ricoh_175843_gr_ii_digital_camera.html

http://www.zooma.ru/cat/photo_video/foto_pentax/S0175839/?sphrase_id=81633

https://www.dpreview.com/products/ricoh/compacts/ricoh_grii

https://us.ricoh-imaging.com/index.php/cameras/gr-ii

Is it GRII?

ogl · 03-12-2018, 08:32 PM

Originally posted by Fogel70

But has there been any major improvements on SR performance since K5? K5 SR was rated 4 stops.

Only on paper. The real performance is close.

MMVIII · 03-13-2018, 01:32 AM

Originally posted by ogl

No GR in stock for a long time. GRII is on sale. 570 EURO now.

How do you know that it's GR, not GRII???

))

Ricoh GR II Digital Camera 175843 B&H Photo Video

???????? ??????????? RICOH GR II ?????????? ?? ???????? ???? ? ??????????? ? ????????? Zooma

Ricoh GR II: Digital Photography Review

GR II

Is it GRII?

Yes, shops and people obviously mix the two models in images; it's hard to distinguish. But the first posted picture seems to be the GR (not II), because the II has the top plate left of the hotshoe slightly enhanced, making the hotshoe flat not protruding above it.
Anyhow, doesn't matter.

DMITRY1 · 03-13-2018, 05:29 AM

Originally posted by ogl

No GR in stock for a long time. GRII is on sale. 570 EURO now.

How do you know that it's GR, not GRII???

))

GR II has a little bump on the top plate, where the WIFi is housed. That's the only discernible difference between it and the GR. Well, that, and the "GR II" name printed on the label on the underside.

ogl · 03-13-2018, 05:40 AM

Originally posted by DMITRY1

GR II has a little bump on the top plate, where the WIFi is housed. That's the only discernible difference between it and the GR. Well, that, and the "GR II" name printed on the label on the underside.

How do you see it from photo for reference only? Are you serious? It's funny.

DMITRY1 · 03-13-2018, 06:57 AM

Originally posted by ogl

How do you see it from photo for reference only? Are you serious? It's funny.

What is funny is that you DON'T see that it's a GR, and not the GR II on that photo.

ogl · 03-13-2018, 08:15 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by DMITRY1

What is funny is that you DON'T see that it's a GR, and not the GR II on that photo.

Do you really think that it's really important ? Absolutely useless discussion. The shop uses picture just for advertising, for reference only.
Who cares about GR or GRII at the photo?

The main thing in my post is 20% discount for GRII. Not the picture.
GR is discontinued in 2015 year and no selling of GR for the last 2.5 years. I've put the link at the site of shop for you.

JPT · 03-20-2018, 07:15 PM - **1 Like**

Ricoh announced a user group event to be held on April 21 yesterday.

Japanese: ???????????GR????????GR meet? - ???? Watch
Google word soup: Google Translate

This kind of event has been done before. They have some seminars and some photographers are going to be in attendance. There's no reason to think this is a launch event for a new camera, but this could be part of what they mean by "relaunch".

03-12-2018, 09:05 AM	#92
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	GRII is just dropped 20% in price in Russia. Last edited by ogl; 03-12-2018 at 09:25 AM.

03-12-2018, 08:31 PM	#98
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by DMITRY1 A GR is pictured, not the GR II. How much is the GR II in the old country these days? No GR in stock for a long time. GRII is on sale. 570 EURO now. How do you know that it's GR, not GRII??? )) https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1159252-REG/ricoh_175843_gr_ii_digital_camera.html http://www.zooma.ru/cat/photo_video/foto_pentax/S0175839/?sphrase_id=81633 https://www.dpreview.com/products/ricoh/compacts/ricoh_grii https://us.ricoh-imaging.com/index.php/cameras/gr-ii Is it GRII? Last edited by ogl; 03-12-2018 at 08:40 PM.

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03-12-2018, 12:47 AM	#91
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by ogl K-5IIs SR is old too? Of course it is. The current SR is capable of 5-axis corrections, up to 5 stops - and neat tricks like Pixel Shift and AA filter simulator. OTOH, I could sometimes get 1/2" with the old K20D...

03-12-2018, 02:00 PM	#93
Fogel70 Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Photos: Albums Posts: 3,062	Originally posted by Kunzite Of course it is. The current SR is capable of 5-axis corrections, up to 5 stops - and neat tricks like Pixel Shift and AA filter simulator. OTOH, I could sometimes get 1/2" with the old K20D... It's not a major change in hardware between 3-axis and 5-axis. The 3-axis SR in K3II was rated 4.5 stops. The biggest gain is probably in motion sensors that has gotten faster and with higher resolution in motion capturing. It does not matter much as long as the rating is according to CIPA standard, which only test pitch and yaw (2-axis). The only thing 5-axis add is ability compensate better for high magnification shots, the other things you mention was already done with 3-axis. To be able to use SR on GR, Ricoh need to design a new much more compact SR. Then it may be possible to only double the size of GR and add 50-100g on weight on GR. If only wanting things like pixel shift and AA simulator, a much simpler and compact design could be used, which would offer better performance on pixel shift and AA simulator. The SR mechanism is kind of slow for these things.

03-12-2018, 02:13 PM	#94
DMITRY1 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Posts: 41	Originally posted by ogl GRII is just dropped 20% in price in Russia. A GR is pictured, not the GR II. How much is the GR II in the old country these days?

03-12-2018, 02:35 PM	#95
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	@Fogel70: the performance was improved, since the first iterations. And neither of Ogl's cameras was a K-3 II

03-12-2018, 04:43 PM	#96
Rico Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,204	The GRII is out of stock in NYC. The Accelerator Unit combined with a 24mp BSI sensor is the next evolution.

03-12-2018, 08:21 PM	#97
Fogel70 Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Photos: Albums Posts: 3,062	Originally posted by Kunzite @Fogel70: the performance was improved, since the first iterations. And neither of Ogl's cameras was a K-3 II But has there been any major improvements on SR performance since K5? K5 SR was rated 4 stops.

03-12-2018, 08:32 PM	#99
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by Fogel70 But has there been any major improvements on SR performance since K5? K5 SR was rated 4 stops. Only on paper. The real performance is close.

03-13-2018, 01:32 AM	#100
MMVIII Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: EU Posts: 1,121	Originally posted by ogl No GR in stock for a long time. GRII is on sale. 570 EURO now. How do you know that it's GR, not GRII??? )) Ricoh GR II Digital Camera 175843 B&H Photo Video ???????? ??????????? RICOH GR II ?????????? ?? ???????? ???? ? ??????????? ? ????????? Zooma Ricoh GR II: Digital Photography Review GR II Is it GRII? Yes, shops and people obviously mix the two models in images; it's hard to distinguish. But the first posted picture seems to be the GR (not II), because the II has the top plate left of the hotshoe slightly enhanced, making the hotshoe flat not protruding above it. Anyhow, doesn't matter.

03-13-2018, 05:29 AM	#101
DMITRY1 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Posts: 41	Originally posted by ogl No GR in stock for a long time. GRII is on sale. 570 EURO now. How do you know that it's GR, not GRII??? )) GR II has a little bump on the top plate, where the WIFi is housed. That's the only discernible difference between it and the GR. Well, that, and the "GR II" name printed on the label on the underside.

03-13-2018, 05:40 AM	#102
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by DMITRY1 GR II has a little bump on the top plate, where the WIFi is housed. That's the only discernible difference between it and the GR. Well, that, and the "GR II" name printed on the label on the underside. How do you see it from photo for reference only? Are you serious? It's funny.

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03-13-2018, 06:57 AM	#103
DMITRY1 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Posts: 41	Originally posted by ogl How do you see it from photo for reference only? Are you serious? It's funny. What is funny is that you DON'T see that it's a GR, and not the GR II on that photo.

03-13-2018, 08:15 AM - 1 Like	#104
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by DMITRY1 What is funny is that you DON'T see that it's a GR, and not the GR II on that photo. Do you really think that it's really important ? Absolutely useless discussion. The shop uses picture just for advertising, for reference only. Who cares about GR or GRII at the photo? The main thing in my post is 20% discount for GRII. Not the picture. GR is discontinued in 2015 year and no selling of GR for the last 2.5 years. I've put the link at the site of shop for you.

03-20-2018, 07:15 PM - 1 Like	#105
JPT Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Tokyo Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,821	Ricoh announced a user group event to be held on April 21 yesterday. Japanese: ???????????GR????????GR meet? - ???? Watch Google word soup: Google Translate This kind of event has been done before. They have some seminars and some photographers are going to be in attendance. There's no reason to think this is a launch event for a new camera, but this could be part of what they mean by "relaunch".