reliable Photokina Pentax rumor

philmorley · 09-05-2008, 02:03 PM

it could be someone at pentax went stretch in pshop when taking out k20d naming etc

fejker · 09-05-2008, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by alohadave

It looks like there is a round button that would be in the right place to pop up a flash though.

Aww, you had to go forward and spoil it all.

Snapshot12 · 09-05-2008, 02:35 PM

Don't think the K20D upgrade will be called K20D Super, it just sounds too cheesy.

Something like K20D MK II or K20D HD (If it has HD Movie Capture) will sound much better.

Spex · 09-05-2008, 02:54 PM

Maybe K22D

Ray Pulley · 09-05-2008, 03:51 PM

Originally posted by miriya

two famous rumor mouth in South Korea.

Pentax K20D upgrade version

hmmm.. maybe K20D super? what is upgrade point??
maybe same K20D camera body ... AF?? shutter box?

Pentax has a consistent recent history of "Super" upgrades when no other new product is ready for release, or at least as a placeholder for the next big thing that is not yet ready.

A K20D super fits this trend pretty well, I think.

Also, it has not been that long since the release of the K20D and K200D, and when has Pentax ever been able to introduce anything big earlier than we all thought that they might (read: about the same time as everyone else)?

As far as I can tell, the answer is: Never.

If a K20D super is on the way, I would expect a bigger, higher res lcd, and perhaps an improved AF system.

I would be surprised by any significant frame rate increase as that might require the next version of the sensor (more channels) and also significantly reworked electronics to handle the extra channels.

If I were making the decisions, I would let the sensor ride as is because it is relatively new and very competitive in performance, ignore fps increases until the next gen, but address the AF if possible as it is the oldest part of the design and is a system that can be significantly improved without major surgery on the sensor or main electronics designs. I would venture a guess that AF performance is by far the biggest complaint of the user base.

Lastly, I might tweak the circuits to get lower read noise if that did not require a major redesign, but this sort of change might not even be offically announced.

Just my $.02.

Ray

vinzer · 09-05-2008, 09:41 PM

Originally posted by Ray Pulley

Pentax has a consistent recent history of "Super" upgrades when no other new product is ready for release, or at least as a placeholder for the next big thing that is not yet ready.

A K20D super fits this trend pretty well, I think.

Also, it has not been that long since the release of the K20D and K200D, and when has Pentax ever been able to introduce anything big earlier than we all thought that they might (read: about the same time as everyone else)?

As far as I can tell, the answer is: Never.

If a K20D super is on the way, I would expect a bigger, higher res lcd, and perhaps an improved AF system.

I would be surprised by any significant frame rate increase as that might require the next version of the sensor (more channels) and also significantly reworked electronics to handle the extra channels.

If I were making the decisions, I would let the sensor ride as is because it is relatively new and very competitive in performance, ignore fps increases until the next gen, but address the AF if possible as it is the oldest part of the design and is a system that can be significantly improved without major surgery on the sensor or main electronics designs. I would venture a guess that AF performance is by far the biggest complaint of the user base.

Lastly, I might tweak the circuits to get lower read noise if that did not require a major redesign, but this sort of change might not even be offically announced.

Just my $.02.

Ray

I'm with you on the AF module upgrade. Not that I'm shooting blistering fast action, but other people do, so there. Perhaps they can improve the image data read time to be able to squeeze in an extra 0.5 FPS or 1 FPS. And possibly a boosted ISO 12800, just for marketing blurb. Those three features would probably be sufficient upgrades in a K20D Super to keep it competitive, along with a decent street price.

Mention of SAFOX IX would probably stir up a lot of interest in current Pentax owners, especially those who chose to skip over the K20D upgrade. At least that's what I think.

But I really think that the K2000D should be the more important of Pentax's announcements. Much more people can be spurred to spend ~$500 to buy a DSLR than ~$1400 (reference to the D90 launch price).

soccerjoe5 · 09-05-2008, 09:45 PM

Originally posted by vinzer

I'm with you on the AF module upgrade. Not that I'm shooting blistering fast action, but other people do, so there. Perhaps they can improve the image data read time to be able to squeeze in an extra 0.5 FPS or 1 FPS. And possibly a boosted ISO 12800, just for marketing blurb. Those three features would probably be sufficient upgrades in a K20D Super to keep it competitive, along with a decent street price.

Mention of SAFOX IX would probably stir up a lot of interest in current Pentax owners, especially those who chose to skip over the K20D upgrade. At least that's what I think.

But I really think that the K2000D should be the more important of Pentax's announcements. Much more people can be spurred to spend ~$500 to buy a DSLR than ~$1400 (reference to the D90 launch price).

i thought the D90 is at $999?

philmorley · 09-05-2008, 10:27 PM

hold the k20d up against screen showing ad. Looks like a k20d to me....

zntgrg · 09-06-2008, 12:24 AM

I bet that the 20fps-low quality burst will became a full video recording mode. YouTube - Pentax K20D Burst 1 - Pentax@PL TV
It's only matter of saving the files as frames instead of separate pictures.

If i recall correctly Pentax had Divx licences for some time

vinzer · 09-06-2008, 06:12 AM

Originally posted by soccerjoe5

i thought the D90 is at $999?

I should've typed it as ~$1300. I was referring to the D90 + kit lens price, since I was making a case for new adopters of DSLRs and not people with existing lenses already. My bad.

Marcus · 09-06-2008, 06:28 AM

I'd just want better AF at EV 6.

You'd be surprised how often you shoot in EV 6.

kmanlaker · 09-06-2008, 06:42 AM

Originally posted by Snapshot12

Don't think the K20D upgrade will be called K20D Super, it just sounds too cheesy.

Something like K20D MK II or K20D HD (If it has HD Movie Capture) will sound much better.

I was just looking thru my new copy of Shutterbug Magazine and the BH Photo ad this month shows a Pentax K20 Super (looks like the same specs as K20 ). Why would they run an ad with a K20D Super?? maybe that is the new name

kman

ogl · 09-06-2008, 07:19 AM

Originally posted by kmanlaker

I was just looking thru my new copy of Shutterbug Magazine and the BH Photo ad this month shows a Pentax K20 Super (looks like the same specs as K20 ). Why would they run an ad with a K20D Super?? maybe that is the new name

kman

Check, please, AF system data and fps.

deejjjaaaa · 09-06-2008, 07:45 AM

Originally posted by ogl

Check, please, AF system data and fps.

rather LCD screen ... AF update will be such an enormous achievement
for Pentax that it deserves KxD no less.

miriya · 09-06-2008, 08:12 AM

Originally posted by Marcus

I'd just want better AF at EV 6.

You'd be surprised how often you shoot in EV 6.

I am always shot a photo at EV2 ...

09-06-2008, 06:42 AM	#42
kmanlaker Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Fort Wayne Posts: 136	Originally posted by Snapshot12 Don't think the K20D upgrade will be called K20D Super, it just sounds too cheesy. Something like K20D MK II or K20D HD (If it has HD Movie Capture) will sound much better. I was just looking thru my new copy of Shutterbug Magazine and the BH Photo ad this month shows a Pentax K20 Super (looks like the same specs as K20 ). Why would they run an ad with a K20D Super?? maybe that is the new name kman Last edited by kmanlaker; 09-06-2008 at 06:44 AM. Reason: grammer

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09-05-2008, 02:03 PM	#31
philmorley Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: in a house in Armidale, Australia Posts: 472	it could be someone at pentax went stretch in pshop when taking out k20d naming etc

09-05-2008, 02:18 PM	#32
fejker Inactive Account Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Slovenia Photos: Gallery Posts: 258	Originally posted by alohadave It looks like there is a round button that would be in the right place to pop up a flash though. Aww, you had to go forward and spoil it all.

09-05-2008, 02:35 PM	#33
Snapshot12 Inactive Account Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: UK Posts: 36	Don't think the K20D upgrade will be called K20D Super, it just sounds too cheesy. Something like K20D MK II or K20D HD (If it has HD Movie Capture) will sound much better.

09-05-2008, 02:54 PM	#34
Spex Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Dubrovnik, Croatia Posts: 216	Maybe K22D

09-05-2008, 03:51 PM	#35
Ray Pulley Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Fallon Nevada Photos: Albums Posts: 504	Originally posted by miriya two famous rumor mouth in South Korea. Pentax K20D upgrade version hmmm.. maybe K20D super? what is upgrade point?? maybe same K20D camera body ... AF?? shutter box? Pentax has a consistent recent history of "Super" upgrades when no other new product is ready for release, or at least as a placeholder for the next big thing that is not yet ready. A K20D super fits this trend pretty well, I think. Also, it has not been that long since the release of the K20D and K200D, and when has Pentax ever been able to introduce anything big earlier than we all thought that they might (read: about the same time as everyone else)? As far as I can tell, the answer is: Never. If a K20D super is on the way, I would expect a bigger, higher res lcd, and perhaps an improved AF system. I would be surprised by any significant frame rate increase as that might require the next version of the sensor (more channels) and also significantly reworked electronics to handle the extra channels. If I were making the decisions, I would let the sensor ride as is because it is relatively new and very competitive in performance, ignore fps increases until the next gen, but address the AF if possible as it is the oldest part of the design and is a system that can be significantly improved without major surgery on the sensor or main electronics designs. I would venture a guess that AF performance is by far the biggest complaint of the user base. Lastly, I might tweak the circuits to get lower read noise if that did not require a major redesign, but this sort of change might not even be offically announced. Just my $.02. Ray

09-05-2008, 09:41 PM	#36
vinzer Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Philippines Posts: 1,399	Originally posted by Ray Pulley Pentax has a consistent recent history of "Super" upgrades when no other new product is ready for release, or at least as a placeholder for the next big thing that is not yet ready. A K20D super fits this trend pretty well, I think. Also, it has not been that long since the release of the K20D and K200D, and when has Pentax ever been able to introduce anything big earlier than we all thought that they might (read: about the same time as everyone else)? As far as I can tell, the answer is: Never. If a K20D super is on the way, I would expect a bigger, higher res lcd, and perhaps an improved AF system. I would be surprised by any significant frame rate increase as that might require the next version of the sensor (more channels) and also significantly reworked electronics to handle the extra channels. If I were making the decisions, I would let the sensor ride as is because it is relatively new and very competitive in performance, ignore fps increases until the next gen, but address the AF if possible as it is the oldest part of the design and is a system that can be significantly improved without major surgery on the sensor or main electronics designs. I would venture a guess that AF performance is by far the biggest complaint of the user base. Lastly, I might tweak the circuits to get lower read noise if that did not require a major redesign, but this sort of change might not even be offically announced. Just my $.02. Ray I'm with you on the AF module upgrade. Not that I'm shooting blistering fast action, but other people do, so there. Perhaps they can improve the image data read time to be able to squeeze in an extra 0.5 FPS or 1 FPS. And possibly a boosted ISO 12800, just for marketing blurb. Those three features would probably be sufficient upgrades in a K20D Super to keep it competitive, along with a decent street price. Mention of SAFOX IX would probably stir up a lot of interest in current Pentax owners, especially those who chose to skip over the K20D upgrade. At least that's what I think. But I really think that the K2000D should be the more important of Pentax's announcements. Much more people can be spurred to spend ~$500 to buy a DSLR than ~$1400 (reference to the D90 launch price).

09-05-2008, 09:45 PM	#37
soccerjoe5 Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Philippines Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,343	Originally posted by vinzer I'm with you on the AF module upgrade. Not that I'm shooting blistering fast action, but other people do, so there. Perhaps they can improve the image data read time to be able to squeeze in an extra 0.5 FPS or 1 FPS. And possibly a boosted ISO 12800, just for marketing blurb. Those three features would probably be sufficient upgrades in a K20D Super to keep it competitive, along with a decent street price. Mention of SAFOX IX would probably stir up a lot of interest in current Pentax owners, especially those who chose to skip over the K20D upgrade. At least that's what I think. But I really think that the K2000D should be the more important of Pentax's announcements. Much more people can be spurred to spend ~$500 to buy a DSLR than ~$1400 (reference to the D90 launch price). i thought the D90 is at $999?

09-05-2008, 10:27 PM	#38
philmorley Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: in a house in Armidale, Australia Posts: 472	hold the k20d up against screen showing ad. Looks like a k20d to me....

09-06-2008, 12:24 AM	#39
zntgrg Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Verona, Italy Posts: 202	I bet that the 20fps-low quality burst will became a full video recording mode. YouTube - Pentax K20D Burst 1 - Pentax@PL TV It's only matter of saving the files as frames instead of separate pictures. If i recall correctly Pentax had Divx licences for some time

09-06-2008, 06:12 AM	#40
vinzer Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Philippines Posts: 1,399	Originally posted by soccerjoe5 i thought the D90 is at $999? I should've typed it as ~$1300. I was referring to the D90 + kit lens price, since I was making a case for new adopters of DSLRs and not people with existing lenses already. My bad.

09-06-2008, 06:28 AM	#41
Marcus Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: NJ Posts: 187	I'd just want better AF at EV 6. You'd be surprised how often you shoot in EV 6.

09-06-2008, 07:19 AM	#43
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by kmanlaker I was just looking thru my new copy of Shutterbug Magazine and the BH Photo ad this month shows a Pentax K20 Super (looks like the same specs as K20 ). Why would they run an ad with a K20D Super?? maybe that is the new name kman Check, please, AF system data and fps.

09-06-2008, 07:45 AM	#44
deejjjaaaa Veteran Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: steel city / rust belt Posts: 2,043	Originally posted by ogl Check, please, AF system data and fps. rather LCD screen ... AF update will be such an enormous achievement for Pentax that it deserves KxD no less.

09-06-2008, 08:12 AM	#45
miriya Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: South Korea Photos: Gallery Posts: 68 Original Poster	Originally posted by Marcus I'd just want better AF at EV 6. You'd be surprised how often you shoot in EV 6. I am always shot a photo at EV2 ...