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09-08-2008, 06:16 PM   #76
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QuoteOriginally posted by troywhite Quote
I'll be pissed if they announce an updated K20 only as I have just bought my K20D in the last couple of months.

This is where leaks and rumours would have been good from Pentax earlier as it would let people like me hold off for a little longer and use what I already had.
Something better is always coming, though--you have to stop holding off sometime. Besides, if everyone kept holding off, sales would dry up completely ...

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QuoteOriginally posted by troywhite Quote
I'll be pissed if they announce an updated K20 only as I have just bought my K20D in the last couple of months.

This is where leaks and rumours would have been good from Pentax earlier as it would let people like me hold off for a little longer and use what I already had.
Canon changed 40D very quickly. 1 year.
It's a question of price - K20D will be under USD850, K20D super (?) will be more expensive.
09-08-2008, 06:28 PM   #78
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To me, it would make the most sense to introduce the K20 Super body now and wait until PMA next March (3-5) to blow everybody's mind with a great new lineup. Ideally, the K20 Super would improve on the K20 with a new feature or 2 while addressing the issues of the K20. By not having to completely overhaul the K20, it will give Pentax more time to work on the new lineup to be introduced next year without rushing.

Since PMA is in March, I wonder if Pentax will wait until then to announce anything major in the lineup.

Just in case you haven't realized it, Photokina is week after next.

While I don't have a crystal ball, I'm with Ogl in predicting that both the DA*55/1.4 and DA*60-250 release dates will be announced.

I will most certainly continue to wait with baited breath...

Heather

Heather,

My crystal ball (btw, it needs some new SMC on it ) tells me that Photokina will mean K2000D and K20D Super and PMA will bring K300 and KxD.
There is plenty of features to improve on K20D and plenty more to be left for KxD.

My forecast:

K2000D: well for me this is not a prediction so it's not fair ...

K20D Super vs K20D: new AF, new LCD, Prime2 processor, improved noise and DR across the ISO range, 4-5 fps, 1/4000, current body, movie mode similar to D90, 12 bit RAW, 14/38 raw/jpeg buffer, improved LV;

KxD vs K20D Super: new body, new sensor with gapeless mirror (not necessarely different in resolution than current one), Prime2 processor(s), improved noise and DR across the ISO range further than K20DS, more AF points than K20DS, even newer LCD, VF 1.0x1.0, new exposure system, more than 6 fps > 150k clicks 1/8000 shutter, unlimited buffer (until card is full) by MLC Flash buffer, 4-8 GB of internal storage, more advanced movie mode, >=14 bit RAW, lens correction in hardware (CA and vignette), more advanced SR, GPS port, wireless in grip, USB for external storage in grip.

K300D vs K200D: current body, 14,6 Mp CMOS sensor, larger buffer than K200D especially in jpgs, larger LCD or at least higher res, LV, 12 bit, 3,x fps, new AF, improved SR, 3200 ISO max (maybe even ISO 1600 max), DA 18-55 III (ws+ maybe SDM). Basically a K20D in K200D body with minor cuts like K200D was to K10D. This model can afford to rise maybe 100USD/Euro in MSRP since we'll have K2000D bellow it.

See you in 6 months after PMA!

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09-08-2008, 06:30 PM   #79
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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
Canon changed 40D very quickly. 1 year.
It's a question of price - K20D will be under USD850, K20D super (?) will be more expensive.
Wrong! 40D and 50D will co-exist on different price levels. My guess is that K20 and K20DS will do the same until K300D appears.

Only my guess,
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QuoteOriginally posted by RaduA Quote
Wrong! 40D and 50D will co-exist on different price levels. My guess is that K20 and K20DS will do the same until K300D appears.
Only my guess,
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If only a guess Then why is he so categorically wrong?
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QuoteOriginally posted by RaduA Quote
Wrong! 40D and 50D will co-exist on different price levels. My guess is that K20 and K20DS will do the same until K300D appears.

Only my guess,
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wouldn't there be a k30d and k300d?
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QuoteOriginally posted by RaduA Quote
Wrong! 40D and 50D will co-exist on different price levels. My guess is that K20 and K20DS will do the same until K300D appears.

Only my guess,
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Why? 20D and 20Ds will co-exist on diffent price levels too. Some time.

K2000D will change K200D very soon
K200D will be made under name Samsung GX200
K20D will be discontinued very soon, but it will be in shops till the end of this year
K20Ds will be alive till K30D launch (the end 2009)
K1D will be next year

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hey guys look at this..

????????????K20D???????????

maybe this is K20Ds.
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hey guys look at this..

????????????K20D???????????

maybe this is K20Ds.
It's prototype for astro photo based on K20D.
Like Canon EOS 20Da was.
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It's prototype for astro photo based on K20D.
Like Canon EOS 20Da was.
yes, so I worry about it.

we can see this at Photokina, not K20D Super with improved AF.
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I think - maybe yes or maybe no. it's special camera for astro photo and no any need to show it especially at Photokina and this camera can be made limited series for special needs of astronomical photographers.
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If only a guess Then why is he so categorically wrong?
I only had the feeling that ogl implied that C will replace 40D after one year on the market, that's why I said "wrong!". 40D and 50 will co-exist some time (maybe a long time). So, what I wrote must be applied only to his first part of the statement, sorry fo the confussion!

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QuoteOriginally posted by RaduA Quote
Heather,

My crystal ball (btw, it needs some new SMC on it ) tells me that Photokina will mean K2000D and K20D Super and PMA will bring K300 and KxD.
There is plenty of features to improve on K20D and plenty more to be left for KxD.

My forecast:

K2000D: well for me this is not a prediction so it's not fair ...

K20D Super vs K20D: new AF, new LCD, Prime2 processor, improved noise and DR across the ISO range, 4-5 fps, 1/4000, current body, movie mode similar to D90, 12 bit RAW, 14/38 raw/jpeg buffer, improved LV;

KxD vs K20D Super: new body, new sensor with gapeless mirror (not necessarely different in resolution than current one), Prime2 processor(s), improved noise and DR across the ISO range further than K20DS, more AF points than K20DS, even newer LCD, VF 1.0x1.0, new exposure system, more than 6 fps > 150k clicks 1/8000 shutter, unlimited buffer (until card is full) by MLC Flash buffer, 4-8 GB of internal storage, more advanced movie mode, >=14 bit RAW, lens correction in hardware (CA and vignette), more advanced SR, GPS port, wireless in grip, USB for external storage in grip.

K300D vs K200D: current body, 14,6 Mp CMOS sensor, larger buffer than K200D especially in jpgs, larger LCD or at least higher res, LV, 12 bit, 3,x fps, new AF, improved SR, 3200 ISO max (maybe even ISO 1600 max), DA 18-55 III (ws+ maybe SDM). Basically a K20D in K200D body with minor cuts like K200D was to K10D. This model can afford to rise maybe 100USD/Euro in MSRP since we'll have K2000D bellow it.

See you in 6 months after PMA!

Radu
If they done k20d in your specification then they should name it k30d. new AF and prime2 would be worth new name again ... anyway if they do k20d super or k30d they will really piss me off, k20d is here just for short period and just bought one last month ...
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QuoteOriginally posted by RaduA Quote
I only had the feeling that ogl implied that C will replace 40D after one year on the market, that's why I said "wrong!". 40D and 50 will co-exist some time (maybe a long time). So, what I wrote must be applied only to his first part of the statement, sorry fo the confussion!

Radu
I think what Ogl meant was that 50D came one year after 40D. Not that 50D will replace 40D in a year.

Sometimes it's hard for us foreigners to express our thoughts in the way we want.
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