[lytrytyr]

The K-1 II with the 28-105 is 2300 and the Z6 with the 24-70 is 2600.

The K-1 II with the 24-70 is 2650 and the Z6 with the 24-70 is 2600.
Let's keep the comparison fair.

[normhead]

He's been banned, Reh, maybe progressing in a now deleted post from mirrorless trolling to profanity, I don't actually know, just guessing.

But can I just take this moment to say, I wonder if we've accepted brand bashers in this brand specific forum, that is a haven for us owners in an otherwise Pentax uncaring or hostile Internet, for too long?

In the Facebook group (13,000 members, high standard of photography), they won't put up with it, nor even pictures taken with other brands. From their rules:

"Pentaxians are typically a friendly bunch and we intend to keep that tradition alive and well here ... Any images taken with Pentax or Ricoh equipment (cameras, lenses) are acceptable as long as they conform to Facebook's community standards … Promotion of other brands over Pentax will not be tolerated. We do not care how great your A7rIII is. Its a wonderful camera surely, we get it. This doesn't mean we cannot discuss the merits of other systems, but you switched systems? Great? How about switching to another group then? Thanks. Otherwise feel free to lurk to your heart's content."

Just because it bears repeating.

[reh321]

If granny was buying a Sony, I'd have thought it more likely (and yet still not very) that she'd pick up an RX100. More likely still is she'd be gifted her son's old Sony compact that's been sitting in one of his cupboards unused for the last few years

Over here they are selling something called a 'Granpad' - a combination cellphone-and-tablet - that kids or grandkids can get for Granny. It provides good solid simple communications between Granny and the rest of the family. I don't see how any camera can compete with that for this use case.
Tablet for Seniors | GrandPad

[normhead]

The K-1 II with the 24-70 is 2650 and the Z6 with the 24-70 is 2600.
Let's keep the comparison fair.

The ZS 24-70 is f 4 the Pentax 24-70 is ƒ 2.8. How is that fair? The Pentax is worth twice as much. And there is no native ƒ2.8 for the Z6. A fair comparison would point out you can't even get a lens for the Z6 like the one that comes with the Pentax.

The kit lens for the K-1 is the 28-105, a lens I actually bought. I've never bought a 24-70, they just aren't of interest. If you cherry pick, you can always find a way to make one camera sound the better than another.

Why are you pimping non-Pentax gear? it would be possibly educational, except you're actually posting incorrect information, which makes it; doubly wrong.

To summarize, a great number of people will prefer a K-1 with the 28-105 than a Z6 with an ƒ4 24-70. You don't have a factual point here, just a personal preference, although you seem to think there's some kind of slam dunk going on here. Your personal preference does not become a fact just because it's your personal preference.

Well I guess it becomes a fact that it is your personal preference, but that's pretty much irrelevant to most, in anything more than a superficial "interesting to know someone thinks like that" kind of way.

You do understand why a 2.8 lens is not the same as an ƒ4 lens for comparison purposes don't you?

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[reh321]

The K-1 II with the 24-70 is 2650 and the Z6 with the 24-70 is 2600.
Let's keep the comparison fair.

Exactly how do we make a "fair" comparison of a 24mp MILC to a 36mp DSLR?

[Rondec]

The K-1 II with the 24-70 is 2650 and the Z6 with the 24-70 is 2600.
Let's keep the comparison fair.

Isn't that a 24-70 f4? I'd call it somewhere between the 24-70 f2.8 and 28-105 f3.5-5.6. Add in a 24-70 f2.8 with the Z6 body and adapter and it looks like the price is 2400 dollars for the Z6 plus adapter and 1700 for the Nikon 24-70. Substitute the Tamron 24-70 f2.8 in F mount and it is still 1100.

A bit more than the K-1 II plus the 24-70 f2.8 which can be had for 2600 dollars right now.

[lytrytyr]

Why are you pimping non-Pentax gear?

Why are you asking a disagreeable question?

We are discussing how the K1 II compares with its current competition, not "pimping" anything.

And for the record, the K1 with 28-105 happens to be the rig I'm carrying around with me today!

[reh321]

Why are you asking a disagreeable question?

We are discussing how the K1 II compares with its current competition, not "pimping" anything.

Why are you making a disagreeable comparison, comparing price only of the K-1ii to a lesser camera?

[normhead]

Why are you asking a disagreeable question?

We are discussing how the K1 II compares with its current competition, not "pimping" anything.

And for the record, the K1 with 28-105 happens to be the rig I'm carrying around with me today!

The K-1 II with the 24-70 is 2650 and the Z6 with the 24-70 is 2600.
Let's keep the comparison fair.

Misrepresenting a comparison is definitely pimping.

You do understand why a 2.8 lens is not the same as an ƒ4 lens for comparison purposes don't you?

This is the second time I've posted this.... are you paying attention? I believe a correction to your post is in order. Is this a discussion, or are you just talking at us. A discussion requires some form of response to the actual points made by other people. If you're just talking at us.. maybe you should warn us in advance that you're not interested in changing your mind to suit the facts. I'd rather not beat my head against a brick wall.

You made an error, I'm not sure from your response you even understand that.

[lytrytyr]

You do understand why a 2.8 lens is not the same as an ƒ4 lens for comparison purposes don't you?

You do understand why a 28mm lens is not the same as a 24mm lens for comparison purposes don't you?

[lytrytyr]

Why are you making a disagreeable comparison, comparing price only of the K-1ii to a lesser camera?

It's @Rondec's comparison, not mine:

Amateur Photographers (UK) Predicts End for Pentax - Page 53 - PentaxForums.com

[reh321]

You do understand why a 28mm lens is not the same as a 24mm lens for comparison purposes don't you?

Why do you keep ignoring the real issue - comparing 24mp to 36mp is like comparing a D750 {$1400 at B&H} to a D810 {$2800 at B&H} - you adopted the comparison, fixing it to be "fair", so you own it.

[normhead]

You do understand why a 28mm lens is not the same as a 24mm lens for comparison purposes don't you?

The 24-70 doesn't cover 70-105, the 28 to 105 doesn't cover 24-28. The Pentax 24-70 lets in twice as much light as the Nikon. I understand completely.

You only have to go there because there is no native 28-105 for the Z6 so you could do a real comparison.
Given a choice 24-70 or 28-105, I'd prefer the 28-105. SO ya, I do realize there;'s a difference, and it's not good for using the 24-70 as a comparison lens. I will also pay twice for a 2.8 lens what I do for an ƒ4 so if you really want to use that comparison, cut the price of the Pentax 24-70 in half, oops, you lose again. Still wrong.

My DA*60-250 ƒ4 costs less than half what the DFA 70-200 ƒ2.8 costs, just so you understand what I'm saying here.

And the DA* was designed as an FF lens. Only the $.50 baffle stops it from being completely compatible..

We are talking about a pretty basic understanding of photographiy here. This isn't rocket science.

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Why do you keep ignoring the real issue - comparing 24mp to 36mp is like comparing a D750 {$1400 at B&H} to a D810 {$2800 at B&H} - you adopted the comparison, fixing it to be "fair", so you own it.

Ya, that too.

I think we've pretty much beat this one to death.
If he hasn't got it by now, he's not going to.

[abhaskare]

A bit more than the K-1 II plus the 24-70 f2.8 which can be had for 2600 dollars right now.

BH now shows K1 only with 28-105 lens. If we add up the 24-70/2.8 lens and body .. it totals to $2888.
Maybe there is a reason why this lens is removed from options, another one possibly coming up!

[normhead]

BH now shows K1 only with 28-105 lens. If we add up the 24-70/2.8 lens and body .. it totals to $2888.
Maybe there is a reason why this lens is removed from options, another one possibly coming up!

Or possibly they've sold what they wanted to sell. You can never second guess what goes on in the minds of retail vendors.