Amateur Photographers (UK) Predicts End for Pentax

LensBeginner · 06-14-2018, 11:22 PM

Originally posted by reh321

But this is more than a two person lift.

We'll get there, no problems

totsmuyco · 06-15-2018, 01:09 AM

Ever since I bought into Pentax I've already heard that Pentax is doomed. Well it has been over 4 years now. Maybe we should undoom it. If there is such a word.

Dan Rentea · 06-15-2018, 01:50 AM

Originally posted by totsmuyco

Ever since I bought into Pentax I've already heard that Pentax is doomed. Well it has been over 4 years now. Maybe we should undoom it. If there is such a word.

Who invented the expression?

I'm curious because I heard about "Pentax is doomed" mostly here, on Pentax forum.

Being in trouble like Nikon was recently (maybe still is) is a completly different thing than being doomed. As long as a company doesn't lose money year after year for several years (if they resist few years), then is not doomed. Ricoh doesn't seem to lose money with Pentax. It's not gaining market share either. To me this expression is being use so much on this forum that at some point people will take it seriously (especially the new forum members) even if it is ment to be a joke, or sarcasm combined with a joke. And if I see this expression being used on social media, if I look at the profile of the person who used this expression, 90% of the time is a Pentaxian or an ex Pentaxian.

**BigMackCam** · 06-15-2018, 02:08 AM - **3 Likes**

Originally posted by Dan Rentea

Who invented the expression?

I'm curious because I heard about "Pentax is doomed" mostly here, on Pentax forum.

Being in trouble like Nikon was recently (maybe still is) is a completly different thing than being doomed. As long as a company doesn't lose money year after year for several years (if they resist few years), then is not doomed. Ricoh doesn't seem to lose money with Pentax. It's not gaining market share either. To me this expression is being use so much on this forum that at some point people will take it seriously (especially the new forum members) even if it is ment to be a joke, or sarcasm combined with a joke. And if I see this expression being used on social media, if I look at the profile of the person who used this expression, 90% of the time is a Pentaxian or an ex Pentaxian.

I think most people reading it here would realise that, since we're a Pentax-oriented community, it's said "tongue in cheek". It's usually quoted when someone posts something negative about Pentax sales figures, scant marketing, product direction and road-maps, release delays, product performance etc., and I believe it originated here as a humorous response to such posts. A little bit of levity in threads such as this, from those who know the brand is anything but doomed

Mike.P® · 06-15-2018, 04:07 AM

Originally posted by BigMackCam

It's usually quoted when someone posts something negative about Pentax sales figures, scant marketing, product direction and road-maps, release delays, product performance etc.

We will be seeing it for many more years to come then

lytrytyr · 06-15-2018, 05:17 AM - **3 Likes**

Originally posted by Dan Rentea

Who invented the expression?

Private Frazer - Wikipedia

Quote: He is noted for his catchphrase "we're doomed!"

**ffking** · 06-15-2018, 05:23 AM

Originally posted by lytrytyr

Private Frazer - Wikipedia

Quote: He is noted for his catchphrase "we're doomed!"

He and his catchphrase are on a new stamp (along with other Dad's Army favourites) - I feel like stocking up

bertwert · 06-15-2018, 06:05 AM

Originally posted by lytrytyr

Private Frazer - Wikipedia

Quote: He is noted for his catchphrase "we're doomed!"

RonHendriks1966 · 06-15-2018, 06:55 AM

Originally posted by Dan Rentea

Who invented the expression?

I'm curious because I heard about "Pentax is doomed" mostly here, on Pentax forum.

Being in trouble like Nikon was recently (maybe still is) is a completly different thing than being doomed. As long as a company doesn't lose money year after year for several years (if they resist few years), then is not doomed. Ricoh doesn't seem to lose money with Pentax. It's not gaining market share either. To me this expression is being use so much on this forum that at some point people will take it seriously (especially the new forum members) even if it is ment to be a joke, or sarcasm combined with a joke. And if I see this expression being used on social media, if I look at the profile of the person who used this expression, 90% of the time is a Pentaxian or an ex Pentaxian.

Ricoh-Imaging as camera business is a money loosing business for Ricoh. They have lost since 2011 more money then they ever made. This is due to the impairment last year. That being done, makes the current company less stressfull to ever make so much loss again.

solitudebound · 06-15-2018, 06:59 AM

Well i didn't think there were people that despised DPR as much or more than i. I even told a client that if they even mentioned DPR, Northrup, TCS, Art of the image, T-A, e.t.c. to me that i would have them thrown out. They laughed and got the hint.

Just got an idea for a sign above the cashier listing references that have no value. Save every one the trouble.

rptdc · 06-15-2018, 07:02 AM

"The reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated."

Samuel Clemens lived long past his predicted death.

normhead · 06-15-2018, 07:02 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

Ricoh-Imaging as camera business is a money loosing business for Ricoh. They have lost since 2011 more money then they ever made. This is due to the impairment last year. That being done, makes the current company less stressfull to ever make so much loss again.

Of course, that has nothing to do with Pentax. Except that they are owned by the same parent company.As for the lost more money than they ever made thing.... how did you figure out how much they made?

nicolpa47 · 06-15-2018, 07:12 AM

Given the lack of promotion of the brand, it seems to me that Pentax is the best kept secret in photography.

Dan Rentea · 06-15-2018, 07:14 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by solitudebound

Well i didn't think there were people that despised DPR as much or more than i. I even told a client that if they even mentioned DPR, Northrup, TCS, Art of the image, T-A, e.t.c. to me that i would have them thrown out. They laughed and got the hint.

Just got an idea for a sign above the cashier listing references that have no value. Save every one the trouble.

I don't even want to know what those guys have to say/write these days. I have other photographers (real ones) that keeps me busy. Like Karl Taylor or Sails Chong for example. They are a great source of inspiration regarding what realy counts: photography. Talking about gear over and over again gives me headaches and I really don't care who wins this "war" regarding the best camera in terms of specs. Tell me about light, tell me about composition and I will stay awake 24 hours and discuss about these things.

---------- Post added 06-15-18 at 02:16 PM ----------

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

Ricoh-Imaging as camera business is a money loosing business for Ricoh. They have lost since 2011 more money then they ever made. This is due to the impairment last year. That being done, makes the current company less stressfull to ever make so much loss again.

It's getting confusing. Some say that they are doing ok(ish), some don't. Well, I hope Pentax to stay in business, no metter if they will be under Ricoh brand or under another player protection.

---------- Post added 06-15-18 at 02:18 PM ----------

Originally posted by nicolpa47

Given the lack of promotion of the brand, it seems to me that Pentax is the best kept secret in photography.

I really can't argue that.

Luckily the ones who know about this secret are happy with their gear.

normhead · 06-15-2018, 07:26 AM

Originally posted by Dan Rentea

I don't even want to know what those guys have to say/write these days. I have other photographers (real ones) that keeps me busy. Like Karl Taylor or Sails Chong for example. They are a great source of inspiration regarding what realy counts: photography. Talking about gear over and over again gives me headaches and I really don't care who wins this "war" regarding the best camera in terms of specs. Tell me about light, tell me about composition and I will stay awake 24 hours and discuss about these things.

No kidding, what is this fascination with gear, buy camera and lens, use camera and lens. Everyone seems to think you are somehow better off if you know all the specs for every camera ever made. You aren't you just need to learn to use what you've got. These sites are for the most part a huge waste of time. Its OK to be interested, but, it's not really helping your photography.

My step daughter is still using our old K-x. It meets her needs. I'm not going to tell her to upgrade until she says "I was trying to do this and this and I had trouble getting a good image" I won't. If it works for her that's all I need to know. And when I look at her images, I realize, for at least 50% of what i do, it would still work for me. And the 50% it wouldn't be so good for, she doesn't do that stuff.

06-15-2018, 06:59 AM	#415
solitudebound Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 140	Well i didn't think there were people that despised DPR as much or more than i. I even told a client that if they even mentioned DPR, Northrup, TCS, Art of the image, T-A, e.t.c. to me that i would have them thrown out. They laughed and got the hint. Just got an idea for a sign above the cashier listing references that have no value. Save every one the trouble. Last edited by solitudebound; 06-15-2018 at 07:05 AM.

06-15-2018, 07:02 AM - 2 Likes	#417
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 Ricoh-Imaging as camera business is a money loosing business for Ricoh. They have lost since 2011 more money then they ever made. This is due to the impairment last year. That being done, makes the current company less stressfull to ever make so much loss again. Of course, that has nothing to do with Pentax. Except that they are owned by the same parent company.As for the lost more money than they ever made thing.... how did you figure out how much they made? Last edited by normhead; 06-15-2018 at 07:23 AM.

06-15-2018, 07:14 AM - 1 Like	#419
Dan Rentea Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Bucharest Posts: 1,716	Originally posted by solitudebound Well i didn't think there were people that despised DPR as much or more than i. I even told a client that if they even mentioned DPR, Northrup, TCS, Art of the image, T-A, e.t.c. to me that i would have them thrown out. They laughed and got the hint. Just got an idea for a sign above the cashier listing references that have no value. Save every one the trouble. I don't even want to know what those guys have to say/write these days. I have other photographers (real ones) that keeps me busy. Like Karl Taylor or Sails Chong for example. They are a great source of inspiration regarding what realy counts: photography. Talking about gear over and over again gives me headaches and I really don't care who wins this "war" regarding the best camera in terms of specs. Tell me about light, tell me about composition and I will stay awake 24 hours and discuss about these things. ---------- Post added 06-15-18 at 02:16 PM ---------- Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 Ricoh-Imaging as camera business is a money loosing business for Ricoh. They have lost since 2011 more money then they ever made. This is due to the impairment last year. That being done, makes the current company less stressfull to ever make so much loss again. It's getting confusing. Some say that they are doing ok(ish), some don't. Well, I hope Pentax to stay in business, no metter if they will be under Ricoh brand or under another player protection. ---------- Post added 06-15-18 at 02:18 PM ---------- Originally posted by nicolpa47 Given the lack of promotion of the brand, it seems to me that Pentax is the best kept secret in photography. I really can't argue that. Luckily the ones who know about this secret are happy with their gear. Last edited by Dan Rentea; 06-15-2018 at 07:23 AM.

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06-14-2018, 11:22 PM	#406
LensBeginner Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Photos: Albums Posts: 4,696	Originally posted by reh321 But this is more than a two person lift. We'll get there, no problems

06-15-2018, 01:09 AM	#407
totsmuyco Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Iloilo City Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,276	Ever since I bought into Pentax I've already heard that Pentax is doomed. Well it has been over 4 years now. Maybe we should undoom it. If there is such a word.

06-15-2018, 01:50 AM	#408
Dan Rentea Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Bucharest Posts: 1,716	Originally posted by totsmuyco Ever since I bought into Pentax I've already heard that Pentax is doomed. Well it has been over 4 years now. Maybe we should undoom it. If there is such a word. Who invented the expression? I'm curious because I heard about "Pentax is doomed" mostly here, on Pentax forum. Being in trouble like Nikon was recently (maybe still is) is a completly different thing than being doomed. As long as a company doesn't lose money year after year for several years (if they resist few years), then is not doomed. Ricoh doesn't seem to lose money with Pentax. It's not gaining market share either. To me this expression is being use so much on this forum that at some point people will take it seriously (especially the new forum members) even if it is ment to be a joke, or sarcasm combined with a joke. And if I see this expression being used on social media, if I look at the profile of the person who used this expression, 90% of the time is a Pentaxian or an ex Pentaxian.

06-15-2018, 02:08 AM - 3 Likes	#409
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,669	Originally posted by Dan Rentea Who invented the expression? I'm curious because I heard about "Pentax is doomed" mostly here, on Pentax forum. Being in trouble like Nikon was recently (maybe still is) is a completly different thing than being doomed. As long as a company doesn't lose money year after year for several years (if they resist few years), then is not doomed. Ricoh doesn't seem to lose money with Pentax. It's not gaining market share either. To me this expression is being use so much on this forum that at some point people will take it seriously (especially the new forum members) even if it is ment to be a joke, or sarcasm combined with a joke. And if I see this expression being used on social media, if I look at the profile of the person who used this expression, 90% of the time is a Pentaxian or an ex Pentaxian. I think most people reading it here would realise that, since we're a Pentax-oriented community, it's said "tongue in cheek". It's usually quoted when someone posts something negative about Pentax sales figures, scant marketing, product direction and road-maps, release delays, product performance etc., and I believe it originated here as a humorous response to such posts. A little bit of levity in threads such as this, from those who know the brand is anything but doomed

06-15-2018, 04:07 AM	#410
Mike.P® Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: New Milton, Hampshire, UK Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,154	Originally posted by BigMackCam It's usually quoted when someone posts something negative about Pentax sales figures, scant marketing, product direction and road-maps, release delays, product performance etc. We will be seeing it for many more years to come then

06-15-2018, 05:17 AM - 3 Likes	#411
lytrytyr Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2011 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,310	Originally posted by Dan Rentea Who invented the expression? Private Frazer - Wikipedia Quote: He is noted for his catchphrase "we're doomed!"

06-15-2018, 05:23 AM	#412
ffking Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Old South Wales Posts: 6,038	Originally posted by lytrytyr Private Frazer - Wikipedia Quote: He is noted for his catchphrase "we're doomed!" He and his catchphrase are on a new stamp (along with other Dad's Army favourites) - I feel like stocking up

06-15-2018, 06:05 AM	#413
bertwert Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Golden, BC Posts: 15,173	Originally posted by lytrytyr Private Frazer - Wikipedia Quote: He is noted for his catchphrase "we're doomed!"

06-15-2018, 06:55 AM	#414
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by Dan Rentea Who invented the expression? I'm curious because I heard about "Pentax is doomed" mostly here, on Pentax forum. Being in trouble like Nikon was recently (maybe still is) is a completly different thing than being doomed. As long as a company doesn't lose money year after year for several years (if they resist few years), then is not doomed. Ricoh doesn't seem to lose money with Pentax. It's not gaining market share either. To me this expression is being use so much on this forum that at some point people will take it seriously (especially the new forum members) even if it is ment to be a joke, or sarcasm combined with a joke. And if I see this expression being used on social media, if I look at the profile of the person who used this expression, 90% of the time is a Pentaxian or an ex Pentaxian. Ricoh-Imaging as camera business is a money loosing business for Ricoh. They have lost since 2011 more money then they ever made. This is due to the impairment last year. That being done, makes the current company less stressfull to ever make so much loss again.

06-15-2018, 07:02 AM	#416
rptdc Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 49	"The reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated." Samuel Clemens lived long past his predicted death.

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06-15-2018, 07:12 AM	#418
nicolpa47 Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2016 Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,031	Given the lack of promotion of the brand, it seems to me that Pentax is the best kept secret in photography.

06-15-2018, 07:26 AM	#420
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by Dan Rentea I don't even want to know what those guys have to say/write these days. I have other photographers (real ones) that keeps me busy. Like Karl Taylor or Sails Chong for example. They are a great source of inspiration regarding what realy counts: photography. Talking about gear over and over again gives me headaches and I really don't care who wins this "war" regarding the best camera in terms of specs. Tell me about light, tell me about composition and I will stay awake 24 hours and discuss about these things. No kidding, what is this fascination with gear, buy camera and lens, use camera and lens. Everyone seems to think you are somehow better off if you know all the specs for every camera ever made. You aren't you just need to learn to use what you've got. These sites are for the most part a huge waste of time. Its OK to be interested, but, it's not really helping your photography. My step daughter is still using our old K-x. It meets her needs. I'm not going to tell her to upgrade until she says "I was trying to do this and this and I had trouble getting a good image" I won't. If it works for her that's all I need to know. And when I look at her images, I realize, for at least 50% of what i do, it would still work for me. And the 50% it wouldn't be so good for, she doesn't do that stuff.