HD DA*11-18/2.8 patent was filed by Ricoh in Japan.

OoKU · 06-21-2018, 09:30 AM - **7 Likes**

A new patent for a Pentax DA*11-18mm f/2.8 lens was filed by Ricoh in Japan.
detail:??2018-97053 | ???????IP Force?

thibs · 06-21-2018, 09:36 AM - **3 Likes**

Good news.This should put a rest to conjectures about this lens being a Tokina rebadge somehow.

Kunzite · 06-21-2018, 09:40 AM - **1 Like**

I see this was filled under Ricoh, not Ricoh Imaging - that explains the recent lack of patent applications for Ricoh Imaging

---------- Post added 21-06-18 at 07:40 PM ----------

Originally posted by thibs

Good news.This should put a rest to conjectures about this lens being a Tokina rebadge somehow.

I'm afraid it won't be enough

LensBeginner · 06-21-2018, 09:42 AM

Good news! thanks for sharing

x4rd · 06-21-2018, 09:45 AM

Now we just need the release date

**Belnan** · 06-21-2018, 10:03 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Kunzite

I see this was filled under Ricoh, not Ricoh Imaging - that explains the recent lack of patent applications for Ricoh Imaging

---------- Post added 21-06-18 at 07:40 PM ----------

I'm afraid it won't be enough

I'm afraid it wont be cheap enough.

reh321 · 06-21-2018, 10:06 AM

Originally posted by OoKU

A new patent for a Pentax DA*11-18mm f/2.8 lens was filed by Ricoh in Japan.
detail:??2018-97053 | ???????IP Force?

Which is the focusing group - roughly what mass will some motor have to move??

**twilhelm** · 06-21-2018, 10:52 AM

It looks like a larger lens, but I’ll patiently wait for the release date. Hopefully there’s a bit of time between the release of the 50 and this.

torashi · 06-21-2018, 11:22 AM - **1 Like**

15 elements in 11 groups and one aspherical surface. Looks about right.

Kunzite · 06-21-2018, 11:30 AM

If someone was intimidated by the Japanese or just lazy (as I often am), the patent is clearly about a ~11-18mm f/2.8 for the APS-C format.

victormeldrew · 06-21-2018, 12:57 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Kunzite

If someone was intimidated by the Japanese or just lazy (as I often am), the patent is clearly about a ~11-18mm f/2.8 for the APS-C format.

You don't need to read Japanese to get that...the name says it all.

DA* 11-18mm

Kunzite · 06-21-2018, 12:59 PM

I'm talking about the patent (link in the OP), not the thread.

Dipsoid · 06-21-2018, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by reh321

Which is the focusing group - roughly what mass will some motor have to move??

Based on the link, it looks like both the second and third group moves. So I'm assuming this is an internal focus and internal zoom?

reh321 · 06-21-2018, 02:06 PM

Originally posted by Dipsoid

Based on the link, it looks like both the second and third group moves. So I'm assuming this is an internal focus and internal zoom?

I asked because focus speed seems to depend so much on ability of motor to move that mass.

Mistral75 · 06-21-2018, 02:28 PM - **5 Likes**

There are seven examples in the patent request.

Minimum focal length is between 11.25mm an 11.29 mm. Maximum focal length is between 17.6mm and 17.7mm.

Maximum aperture is either f/2.8 (four examples) or f/2.9 (three examples).

There are basically two optical formulas with variants:

- three examples include 15 elements in 11 groups; their length at 11mm is around 8.9cm and they extend by 1.7mm to 4.7mm at 18mm.
- four examples include 16 elements in 11 groups; their length is around 9.8cm at 11mm and changes only very slightly at 18mm.

All examples include three aspheric elements: one or two (depending on whether 16/11 or 15/11) in the first element group, named G1, and two or one in the fourth element group, named G4.

G1 moves a bit when zooming in from 11mm to 18mm: towards the subject for six examples out of seven, towards the image in one example. The second element group, named G2, also moves when zooming in, towards the subject. The third element group, named G3, also moves when zooming but its movement is more complex and varies from an example to another. G4 moves towards the subject when zooming in.

Focus is apparently done by moving some elements within G2.

Below is the optical diagram of an example with 16 elements in 11 groups.

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06-21-2018, 09:36 AM - 3 Likes	#2
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Good news.This should put a rest to conjectures about this lens being a Tokina rebadge somehow.

06-21-2018, 09:40 AM - 1 Like	#3
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	I see this was filled under Ricoh, not Ricoh Imaging - that explains the recent lack of patent applications for Ricoh Imaging ---------- Post added 21-06-18 at 07:40 PM ---------- Originally posted by thibs Good news.This should put a rest to conjectures about this lens being a Tokina rebadge somehow. I'm afraid it won't be enough

06-21-2018, 09:42 AM	#4
LensBeginner Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Photos: Albums Posts: 4,696	Good news! thanks for sharing

06-21-2018, 09:45 AM	#5
x4rd Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 241	Now we just need the release date

06-21-2018, 10:03 AM - 1 Like	#6
Belnan Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Nova Scotia Photos: Albums Posts: 1,090	Originally posted by Kunzite I see this was filled under Ricoh, not Ricoh Imaging - that explains the recent lack of patent applications for Ricoh Imaging ---------- Post added 21-06-18 at 07:40 PM ---------- I'm afraid it won't be enough I'm afraid it wont be cheap enough.

06-21-2018, 10:06 AM	#7
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,181	Originally posted by OoKU A new patent for a Pentax DA*11-18mm f/2.8 lens was filed by Ricoh in Japan. detail:??2018-97053 \| ???????IP Force? Which is the focusing group - roughly what mass will some motor have to move??

06-21-2018, 10:52 AM	#8
twilhelm Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Florida Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,369	It looks like a larger lens, but I’ll patiently wait for the release date. Hopefully there’s a bit of time between the release of the 50 and this.

06-21-2018, 11:22 AM - 1 Like	#9
torashi Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Medellín Posts: 1,322	15 elements in 11 groups and one aspherical surface. Looks about right.

06-21-2018, 11:30 AM	#10
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	If someone was intimidated by the Japanese or just lazy (as I often am), the patent is clearly about a ~11-18mm f/2.8 for the APS-C format.

06-21-2018, 12:57 PM - 1 Like	#11
victormeldrew Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: South West UK Photos: Albums Posts: 1,493	Originally posted by Kunzite If someone was intimidated by the Japanese or just lazy (as I often am), the patent is clearly about a ~11-18mm f/2.8 for the APS-C format. You don't need to read Japanese to get that...the name says it all. DA* 11-18mm

06-21-2018, 12:59 PM	#12
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	I'm talking about the patent (link in the OP), not the thread.

06-21-2018, 01:29 PM	#13
Dipsoid Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 241	Originally posted by reh321 Which is the focusing group - roughly what mass will some motor have to move?? Based on the link, it looks like both the second and third group moves. So I'm assuming this is an internal focus and internal zoom?

06-21-2018, 02:06 PM	#14
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,181	Originally posted by Dipsoid Based on the link, it looks like both the second and third group moves. So I'm assuming this is an internal focus and internal zoom? I asked because focus speed seems to depend so much on ability of motor to move that mass.

06-21-2018, 02:28 PM - 5 Likes	#15
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	There are seven examples in the patent request. Minimum focal length is between 11.25mm an 11.29 mm. Maximum focal length is between 17.6mm and 17.7mm. Maximum aperture is either f/2.8 (four examples) or f/2.9 (three examples). There are basically two optical formulas with variants: - three examples include 15 elements in 11 groups; their length at 11mm is around 8.9cm and they extend by 1.7mm to 4.7mm at 18mm. - four examples include 16 elements in 11 groups; their length is around 9.8cm at 11mm and changes only very slightly at 18mm. All examples include three aspheric elements: one or two (depending on whether 16/11 or 15/11) in the first element group, named G1, and two or one in the fourth element group, named G4. G1 moves a bit when zooming in from 11mm to 18mm: towards the subject for six examples out of seven, towards the image in one example. The second element group, named G2, also moves when zooming in, towards the subject. The third element group, named G3, also moves when zooming but its movement is more complex and varies from an example to another. G4 moves towards the subject when zooming in. Focus is apparently done by moving some elements within G2. Below is the optical diagram of an example with 16 elements in 11 groups.