Pentax K1 Mk2 vs everyone, come in 6th!

**BigDave** · 06-25-2018, 11:29 AM - **1 Like**

Hey All:

This from PDN, a review of the cameras that gave the best color reproductions, Pentax K1- Mk2 was #6 overall, and of the FF camera, about 4th! Winners were Sony (3 top awards) Fuji (ever see one in the wild?) Leica P&S and one Panasonic (another rare sighting in the wild), one Nikon and one Canon!

Here is the link!
The Best Cameras for Color Reproduction, Ranked

PS- To do a side-by-side comparison, I copied each gamut image and pasted it next to the K1 gamut image, so I had a quick reference.

Regards,

Not a Number · 06-25-2018, 11:42 AM

Interesting. I'd like to see the K-1 Mk II vs the Mk I. Ricoh is saying they are able to get better blues out of the Mk II because of the accelerator unit.

**lsimpkins** · 06-25-2018, 03:31 PM - **1 Like**

I wonder how the results would have come out if they based the comparison on a color space other than sRGB.

SSGGeezer · 06-25-2018, 03:37 PM

Originally posted by lsimpkins

I wonder how the results would have come out if they based the comparison on a color space other than sRGB.

Also they are using SOOC Jpeg. K-1 MkII needs tweaks for straight out of camera based on folks here using one.

solitudebound · 06-25-2018, 04:08 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by SSGGeezer

Also they are using SOOC Jpeg. K-1 MkII needs tweaks for straight out of camera based on folks here using one.

Not all cameras encode raw or jpeg the same way either. Same goes for the editing software that is loading them.

I wish manufacturers would listen and offer "PNG" format. (It's not a typo).

rawr · 06-25-2018, 09:04 PM

Originally posted by solitudebound

I wish manufacturers would listen and offer "PNG" format.

Why PNG and not TIFF?

Ian Stuart Forsyth · 06-25-2018, 09:34 PM - **1 Like**

I don't follow what they are testing?
They set the camera's to sRGB, take a photo of a colorchecker sg target and then compare it to that of what a calibrated spectrophotometer measured and use software to derive a variance ?
One should know that at least 10 of the colorchecker sg patches fall outside of the sRGB color space. so what are they testing ? how much each samples falls out side of their working color space?

thibs · 06-25-2018, 10:13 PM

Originally posted by rawr

Why PNG and not TIFF?

Compression ? Size ?
Didn't istD allow for TIFF format? Somehow I think it did...

rawr · 06-25-2018, 10:58 PM

Originally posted by thibs

Didn't istD allow for TIFF format?

K-3, K-1 etc still let you save to TIFF, but not directly. TIFF format is an output option when you develop your shots in-camera.

thibs · 06-25-2018, 11:34 PM

Originally posted by rawr

K-3, K-1 etc still let you save to TIFF, but not directly. TIFF format is an output option when you develop your shots in-camera.

Right, it's better that way IMO.
Otherwise you get a very nice detailed file with e.g. wrong WB but it still took ages to write the thing to the card.

neokind · 06-25-2018, 11:45 PM

Originally posted by BigDave

Hey All:

This from PDN, a review of the cameras that gave the best color reproductions, Pentax K1- Mk2 was #6 overall, and of the FF camera, about 4th! Winners were Sony (3 top awards) Fuji (ever see one in the wild?) Leica P&S and one Panasonic (another rare sighting in the wild), one Nikon and one Canon!

Here is the link!
The Best Cameras for Color Reproduction, Ranked

PS- To do a side-by-side comparison, I copied each gamut image and pasted it next to the K1 gamut image, so I had a quick reference.

Regards,

That’s cool. I know a few modern Leica shooters, and a few more Fuji mirrorless owners. But mostly canon and Nikon people. Though recently I was in LA for a weekend and went to an open market for lunch where I must have seen 8-10 Sony A7 models around people’s necks. Quite a surprise to see so many in one place. And for Pentax, well I know all of YOU have them. :-)

MatKus · 06-26-2018, 12:19 AM

First of all, as already mentioned, I have no idea what they are measuring if by method they are sure to fail in some way, when you have colors outside sRGB.

2nd, i don't know who taught them math, but it looks like 9 cameras are better, than K1, so K1 is 6th?

And most important of all - protography is about how it looks, not how it calculates. For me, many colors on sample images looks much more different, than numbers shows, and sometimes i barely see any difference when number show its big. So i don't think that's important at all.

**Larrymc** · 06-26-2018, 05:30 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by BigDave

Hey All:

This from PDN, a review of the cameras that gave the best color reproductions, Pentax K1- Mk2 was #6 overall, and of the FF camera, about 4th! Winners were Sony (3 top awards) Fuji (ever see one in the wild?) Leica P&S and one Panasonic (another rare sighting in the wild), one Nikon and one Canon!

Here is the link!
The Best Cameras for Color Reproduction, Ranked

PS- To do a side-by-side comparison, I copied each gamut image and pasted it next to the K1 gamut image, so I had a quick reference.

Regards,

Just a quick perusal of the cover page and going no deeper you can easily see where their opinions come from........advertisers!! They are going to be biased toward their paid advertisers.

Larry

neokind · 06-26-2018, 06:13 AM

Originally posted by Larrymc

Just a quick perusal of the cover page and going no deeper you can easily see where their opinions come from........advertisers!! They are going to be biased toward their paid advertisers.

Larry

It’s possible...but they give you the data and describe their methodology. All of the cameras there are their top performers for this test, so they’re all good, and the differences are really minor. If the question is, “which camera will reproduce colors as accurately as possible?” Then any of these top performers would get you there.

---------- Post added 06-26-2018 at 06:16 AM ----------

Originally posted by MatKus

First of all, as already mentioned, I have no idea what they are measuring if by method they are sure to fail in some way, when you have colors outside sRGB.

2nd, i don't know who taught them math, but it looks like 9 cameras are better, than K1, so K1 is 6th?

And most important of all - protography is about how it looks, not how it calculates. For me, many colors on sample images looks much more different, than numbers shows, and sometimes i barely see any difference when number show its big. So i don't think that's important at all.

Agreed. I’m not sure how they’re calculating difference. What’s funny is that this is akin to high end audio, where accurate reproduction is the objective. But the truth is that everyone manipulates the result in Lightroom, so it’s like having the most accurate reproduction, and then tossing a bunch of filters on top and messing with the EQ. :-)

Ronald Oakes · 06-26-2018, 06:19 AM - **1 Like**

What difference does this comparison translate to if shooting raw in the first place ? I don't really get it ?

06-25-2018, 11:29 AM - 1 Like	#1
BigDave Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Hudson Valley, NY Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,626	Pentax K1 Mk2 vs everyone, come in 6th! Hey All: This from PDN, a review of the cameras that gave the best color reproductions, Pentax K1- Mk2 was #6 overall, and of the FF camera, about 4th! Winners were Sony (3 top awards) Fuji (ever see one in the wild?) Leica P&S and one Panasonic (another rare sighting in the wild), one Nikon and one Canon! Here is the link! The Best Cameras for Color Reproduction, Ranked PS- To do a side-by-side comparison, I copied each gamut image and pasted it next to the K1 gamut image, so I had a quick reference. Regards,

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06-25-2018, 11:42 AM	#2
Not a Number Moderator Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Venice, CA Posts: 10,526	Interesting. I'd like to see the K-1 Mk II vs the Mk I. Ricoh is saying they are able to get better blues out of the Mk II because of the accelerator unit.

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lsimpkins Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: SE Pennsylvania Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 537	I wonder how the results would have come out if they based the comparison on a color space other than sRGB.

06-25-2018, 03:37 PM	#4
SSGGeezer Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Indiana, U.S. Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,845	Originally posted by lsimpkins I wonder how the results would have come out if they based the comparison on a color space other than sRGB. Also they are using SOOC Jpeg. K-1 MkII needs tweaks for straight out of camera based on folks here using one.

06-25-2018, 04:08 PM - 1 Like	#5
solitudebound Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 140	Originally posted by SSGGeezer Also they are using SOOC Jpeg. K-1 MkII needs tweaks for straight out of camera based on folks here using one. Not all cameras encode raw or jpeg the same way either. Same goes for the editing software that is loading them. I wish manufacturers would listen and offer "PNG" format. (It's not a typo).

06-25-2018, 09:04 PM	#6
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by solitudebound I wish manufacturers would listen and offer "PNG" format. Why PNG and not TIFF?

06-25-2018, 09:34 PM - 1 Like	#7
Ian Stuart Forsyth Pentaxian Join Date: May 2009 Location: Somewhere over the rainbow Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,531	I don't follow what they are testing? They set the camera's to sRGB, take a photo of a colorchecker sg target and then compare it to that of what a calibrated spectrophotometer measured and use software to derive a variance ? One should know that at least 10 of the colorchecker sg patches fall outside of the sRGB color space. so what are they testing ? how much each samples falls out side of their working color space?

06-25-2018, 10:13 PM	#8
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by rawr Why PNG and not TIFF? Compression ? Size ? Didn't istD allow for TIFF format? Somehow I think it did...

06-25-2018, 10:58 PM	#9
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by thibs Didn't istD allow for TIFF format? K-3, K-1 etc still let you save to TIFF, but not directly. TIFF format is an output option when you develop your shots in-camera.

06-25-2018, 11:34 PM	#10
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by rawr K-3, K-1 etc still let you save to TIFF, but not directly. TIFF format is an output option when you develop your shots in-camera. Right, it's better that way IMO. Otherwise you get a very nice detailed file with e.g. wrong WB but it still took ages to write the thing to the card.

06-25-2018, 11:45 PM	#11
neokind Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Sunny San Diego Posts: 336	Originally posted by BigDave Hey All: This from PDN, a review of the cameras that gave the best color reproductions, Pentax K1- Mk2 was #6 overall, and of the FF camera, about 4th! Winners were Sony (3 top awards) Fuji (ever see one in the wild?) Leica P&S and one Panasonic (another rare sighting in the wild), one Nikon and one Canon! Here is the link! The Best Cameras for Color Reproduction, Ranked PS- To do a side-by-side comparison, I copied each gamut image and pasted it next to the K1 gamut image, so I had a quick reference. Regards, That’s cool. I know a few modern Leica shooters, and a few more Fuji mirrorless owners. But mostly canon and Nikon people. Though recently I was in LA for a weekend and went to an open market for lunch where I must have seen 8-10 Sony A7 models around people’s necks. Quite a surprise to see so many in one place. And for Pentax, well I know all of YOU have them. :-)

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06-26-2018, 12:19 AM	#12
MatKus Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Posts: 155	First of all, as already mentioned, I have no idea what they are measuring if by method they are sure to fail in some way, when you have colors outside sRGB. 2nd, i don't know who taught them math, but it looks like 9 cameras are better, than K1, so K1 is 6th? And most important of all - protography is about how it looks, not how it calculates. For me, many colors on sample images looks much more different, than numbers shows, and sometimes i barely see any difference when number show its big. So i don't think that's important at all.

06-26-2018, 05:30 AM - 1 Like	#13
Larrymc Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Mississippi, USA Posts: 5,251	Originally posted by BigDave Hey All: This from PDN, a review of the cameras that gave the best color reproductions, Pentax K1- Mk2 was #6 overall, and of the FF camera, about 4th! Winners were Sony (3 top awards) Fuji (ever see one in the wild?) Leica P&S and one Panasonic (another rare sighting in the wild), one Nikon and one Canon! Here is the link! The Best Cameras for Color Reproduction, Ranked PS- To do a side-by-side comparison, I copied each gamut image and pasted it next to the K1 gamut image, so I had a quick reference. Regards, Just a quick perusal of the cover page and going no deeper you can easily see where their opinions come from........advertisers!! They are going to be biased toward their paid advertisers. Larry

06-26-2018, 06:13 AM	#14
neokind Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Sunny San Diego Posts: 336	Originally posted by Larrymc Just a quick perusal of the cover page and going no deeper you can easily see where their opinions come from........advertisers!! They are going to be biased toward their paid advertisers. Larry It’s possible...but they give you the data and describe their methodology. All of the cameras there are their top performers for this test, so they’re all good, and the differences are really minor. If the question is, “which camera will reproduce colors as accurately as possible?” Then any of these top performers would get you there. ---------- Post added 06-26-2018 at 06:16 AM ---------- Originally posted by MatKus First of all, as already mentioned, I have no idea what they are measuring if by method they are sure to fail in some way, when you have colors outside sRGB. 2nd, i don't know who taught them math, but it looks like 9 cameras are better, than K1, so K1 is 6th? And most important of all - protography is about how it looks, not how it calculates. For me, many colors on sample images looks much more different, than numbers shows, and sometimes i barely see any difference when number show its big. So i don't think that's important at all. Agreed. I’m not sure how they’re calculating difference. What’s funny is that this is akin to high end audio, where accurate reproduction is the objective. But the truth is that everyone manipulates the result in Lightroom, so it’s like having the most accurate reproduction, and then tossing a bunch of filters on top and messing with the EQ. :-)

06-26-2018, 06:19 AM - 1 Like	#15
Ronald Oakes Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,582	What difference does this comparison translate to if shooting raw in the first place ? I don't really get it ?