DA*11-18/2.8 delay to 2019

HoutHans · 06-28-2018, 09:43 PM

I just wonder how many people are involved in this. How easy is it to shift resources from developing one lens to another. I'd like to see the management of such a process. Mostly, what we get is an interview with one person, the chief, holding a lens and telling us how good it is. I'd really appreciate some information on - for example - why exactly this lens was delayed. Was it an optical problem or a mechanical one, what type and magnitude. Of course, I don't need insight into business secrets, but just to know how they took one hurdle.

**clackers** · 06-28-2018, 10:26 PM

Originally posted by DeadJohn

. Maybe Ricoh will surprise me and somehow regain ground but I think they have a single team approaching these lens projects sequentially, where a delay in 1 lens pushes everything else further back.

I think you're essentially right. My guess is that staffing is down to just Saori and his assistants.

They should take their time, we want them to be released only when they're good. I'd never want to see an engineer overruled.

**RobA_Oz** · 06-28-2018, 10:34 PM

Originally posted by jpzk

There are 12 months in a year, 2019 being no exception.

I'm not waiting until my birthday in December 2019 for this lens ... time to look for something else.

I’d satisfy myself with a Sigma 8-16 in the meantime. Like the Hotel California (or was it Royston Vasey?) you’ll never leave. Well, maybe not.

---------- Post added 29th Jun 2018 at 03:35 PM ----------

Originally posted by clackers

I'd never want to see an engineer overruled.

Tell that to an architect...

ogl · 06-28-2018, 11:00 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by DeadJohn

Well, it looks like 11-18 isn't just a focal length, it's also a delay expressed in months. I expect this will push back much of the roadmap. I didn't need the 50 or the 11-18 but other lenses.

The 70-200 f4 was the next FF lens on the roadmap. "Spring 2019 or later". I think we'll be lucky to see it any time in 2019. The wide and ultrawide primes just said "2019 or later". I expect no sooner than 2020. Maybe Ricoh will surprise me and somehow regain ground but I think they have a single team approaching these lens projects sequentially, where a delay in 1 lens pushes everything else further back.

The system still has no cheap DFA50/1.7(1.8), 85 mm lenses and no any FF wide-angle primes shorter than 31 mm. The wide angle are covered with huge and expensive zoom Tamron design DFA15-30/2.8, very old FA31/1.8 and FA35/2. It's all. It's sad and funny.

**clackers** · 06-28-2018, 11:05 PM

Originally posted by RobA_Oz

Tell that to an architect...

That's exactly what I mean.

They're mad, and the structural engineers save their projects.

Sandy Hancock · 06-28-2018, 11:07 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by ogl

It's sad and funny.

So are you, but we still love ya

**ffking** · 06-28-2018, 11:08 PM - **1 Like**

new generation lenses for new generation Pentaxians

Last edited by ffking; 06-28-2018 at 11:23 PM.

ANGUS YOUNG · 06-28-2018, 11:13 PM

thant's bad!

ogl · 06-28-2018, 11:14 PM

Ricoh started to work much slower than Pentax did it....

DimC · 06-28-2018, 11:57 PM

Im not a future buyer of this lens but it is frustrating to see all thoses lens release date postponed.
Of course as long as the final product quality is great, most of us will forgive Ricoh for the delay.

Ishpuini · 06-29-2018, 12:03 AM - **1 Like**

Shame... I was looking forward to having this lens by November, when I could have used it. For that trip I'll have to go with my current glass (which covers similar FoV) and wait a bit longer then... I'll still get it when it's released.

Hope it's a good sign in terms of quality this lens will deliver when ready. Looking at the new 50/1.4, IQ seems to be high on Ricoh's agenda, so I'm all for that!

Wim

x4rd · 06-29-2018, 12:05 AM

Originally posted by ogl

Ricoh started to work much slower than Pentax did it....

Yes, it is true but bare in mind that they are also facing problem and undergo some changes in-house to fit the schrinking market, both in copiers and photo industry.

I was prepared for a delay, but man... 2019 hurts a lot.

pid · 06-29-2018, 12:50 AM

Maybe Ricoh should talk to the third party lens developers and make their system attractive to them. If the consumers could buy third party lenses for Pentax, Ricoh would have more time to develop the best lenses out there. Meanwhile the base of Pentax users could grow instead of getting smaller. If users than want to upgrade to high end lenses, the new developments should be ready. Maybe this is a way to go.

fsge · 06-29-2018, 01:00 AM

Originally posted by DSims

Their scheme is to get us to buy both, even if we weren't planning to. So we get the 50 now since we can't get the 11-18, and then we have plenty of time to prepare to lay out another big chunk of change next year for the 11-18!

85mm will be out in the meantime, I doubt they are that evil and plan all of us to buy these 3 upcoming lenses.
Sigma 8-16 is perfect substitution and will be a keeper, at least on my side.

Franc · 06-29-2018, 01:17 AM

Originally posted by x4rd

I was prepared for a delay, but man... 2019 hurts a lot.

2019 is only a few months away.........

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06-28-2018, 09:43 PM	#16
HoutHans Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Appingedam Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,119	I just wonder how many people are involved in this. How easy is it to shift resources from developing one lens to another. I'd like to see the management of such a process. Mostly, what we get is an interview with one person, the chief, holding a lens and telling us how good it is. I'd really appreciate some information on - for example - why exactly this lens was delayed. Was it an optical problem or a mechanical one, what type and magnitude. Of course, I don't need insight into business secrets, but just to know how they took one hurdle.

06-28-2018, 10:26 PM	#17
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by DeadJohn . Maybe Ricoh will surprise me and somehow regain ground but I think they have a single team approaching these lens projects sequentially, where a delay in 1 lens pushes everything else further back. I think you're essentially right. My guess is that staffing is down to just Saori and his assistants. They should take their time, we want them to be released only when they're good. I'd never want to see an engineer overruled.

06-28-2018, 10:34 PM	#18
RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,197	Originally posted by jpzk There are 12 months in a year, 2019 being no exception. I'm not waiting until my birthday in December 2019 for this lens ... time to look for something else. I’d satisfy myself with a Sigma 8-16 in the meantime. Like the Hotel California (or was it Royston Vasey?) you’ll never leave. Well, maybe not. ---------- Post added 29th Jun 2018 at 03:35 PM ---------- Originally posted by clackers I'd never want to see an engineer overruled. Tell that to an architect...

06-28-2018, 11:00 PM - 1 Like	#19
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by DeadJohn Well, it looks like 11-18 isn't just a focal length, it's also a delay expressed in months. I expect this will push back much of the roadmap. I didn't need the 50 or the 11-18 but other lenses. The 70-200 f4 was the next FF lens on the roadmap. "Spring 2019 or later". I think we'll be lucky to see it any time in 2019. The wide and ultrawide primes just said "2019 or later". I expect no sooner than 2020. Maybe Ricoh will surprise me and somehow regain ground but I think they have a single team approaching these lens projects sequentially, where a delay in 1 lens pushes everything else further back. The system still has no cheap DFA50/1.7(1.8), 85 mm lenses and no any FF wide-angle primes shorter than 31 mm. The wide angle are covered with huge and expensive zoom Tamron design DFA15-30/2.8, very old FA31/1.8 and FA35/2. It's all. It's sad and funny.

06-28-2018, 11:05 PM	#20
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by RobA_Oz Tell that to an architect... That's exactly what I mean. They're mad, and the structural engineers save their projects.

06-28-2018, 11:07 PM - 1 Like	#21
Sandy Hancock Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Adelaide Hills, South Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,272	Originally posted by ogl It's sad and funny. So are you, but we still love ya

06-28-2018, 11:08 PM - 1 Like	#22
ffking Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Old South Wales Posts: 6,038	new generation lenses for new generation Pentaxians Last edited by ffking; 06-28-2018 at 11:23 PM.

06-28-2018, 11:13 PM	#23
ANGUS YOUNG Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 41	thant's bad!

06-28-2018, 11:14 PM	#24
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Ricoh started to work much slower than Pentax did it....

06-28-2018, 11:57 PM	#25
DimC Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Paris Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 813	Im not a future buyer of this lens but it is frustrating to see all thoses lens release date postponed. Of course as long as the final product quality is great, most of us will forgive Ricoh for the delay.

06-29-2018, 12:03 AM - 1 Like	#26
Ishpuini Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Antwerp, Belgium Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,727	Shame... I was looking forward to having this lens by November, when I could have used it. For that trip I'll have to go with my current glass (which covers similar FoV) and wait a bit longer then... I'll still get it when it's released. Hope it's a good sign in terms of quality this lens will deliver when ready. Looking at the new 50/1.4, IQ seems to be high on Ricoh's agenda, so I'm all for that! Wim

06-29-2018, 12:05 AM	#27
x4rd Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 241	Originally posted by ogl Ricoh started to work much slower than Pentax did it.... Yes, it is true but bare in mind that they are also facing problem and undergo some changes in-house to fit the schrinking market, both in copiers and photo industry. I was prepared for a delay, but man... 2019 hurts a lot.

06-29-2018, 12:50 AM	#28
pid Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2010 Photos: Gallery Posts: 567	Maybe Ricoh should talk to the third party lens developers and make their system attractive to them. If the consumers could buy third party lenses for Pentax, Ricoh would have more time to develop the best lenses out there. Meanwhile the base of Pentax users could grow instead of getting smaller. If users than want to upgrade to high end lenses, the new developments should be ready. Maybe this is a way to go.

06-29-2018, 01:00 AM	#29
fsge Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Genf Posts: 1,138	Originally posted by DSims Their scheme is to get us to buy both, even if we weren't planning to. So we get the 50 now since we can't get the 11-18, and then we have plenty of time to prepare to lay out another big chunk of change next year for the 11-18! 85mm will be out in the meantime, I doubt they are that evil and plan all of us to buy these 3 upcoming lenses. Sigma 8-16 is perfect substitution and will be a keeper, at least on my side.

06-29-2018, 01:17 AM	#30
Franc Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Hoevelaken Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,212	Originally posted by x4rd I was prepared for a delay, but man... 2019 hurts a lot. 2019 is only a few months away.........