DA*11-18/2.8 delay to 2019

JPT · 07-02-2018, 03:41 PM - **1 Like**

There is a “Developmant Story” article on the Ricoh sure, where named Ricoh Imaging employees talk about how the lens was development. If we are to believe that the lens is actually a Tokina design, that would mean the whole article is a fabrication. It seems a bit far-fetched to me.

I actually have a fair amount of skepticism in asahiman’s comments, but I don’t see any good reason to believe this is not designed by Ricoh.

OoKU · 07-02-2018, 03:43 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Kunzite

This patent might be related to the D FA* 50mm f/1.4:
??2018-22008 | ???????IP Force?

The pressing piece is the clue (together with mentioning heavy elements).

The patent is related to the DA55-300 PLM.

Kunzite · 07-02-2018, 04:20 PM

Originally posted by JPT

There is a “Developmant Story” article on the Ricoh sure, where named Ricoh Imaging employees talk about how the lens was development. If we are to believe that the lens is actually a Tokina design, that would mean the whole article is a fabrication. It seems a bit far-fetched to me.

The other lenses with such development stories - the D FA* 70-200 and D FA 150-450 - are clearly associated with Ricoh Imaging by patents. They didn't do that for the Tamrons.

**Mikesul** · 07-02-2018, 05:44 PM

We would have to be pretty cynical to not believe it is all or mostly a Pentax creation.

BROO · 07-02-2018, 05:57 PM - **4 Likes**

As far as I can see, worrying about which manufacturer owns the patent to a lens is the antithesis of creating a good image? I just don't know what the fuss is all about?

**UncleVanya** · 07-02-2018, 06:00 PM

Originally posted by BROO

As far as I can see, worrying about which manufacturer owns the patent to a lens is the antithesis of creating a good image? I just don't know what the fuss is all about?

Amen!

SSGGeezer · 07-02-2018, 06:11 PM

Originally posted by BROO

As far as I can see, worrying about which manufacturer owns the patent to a lens is the antithesis of creating a good image? I just don't know what the fuss is all about?

Just negative Nancies and Salty Sallies making waves because someone (Ricoh/Pentax) didn't tell them what they were doing, lens development and production wise.

Pentax is close mouthed and since there are many things that can and do go wrong when creating new, highly technical products, it is better to under-promise and try to over-deliver, rather than fail in some or all of the promises you make.

If you don't promise anything, how can customers whine?

BROO · 07-02-2018, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by SSGGeezer

If you don't promise anything, how can customers whine?

Yes I agree, but they will find a way to whine somehow!

ogl · 07-03-2018, 04:22 AM

Originally posted by Mistral75

There is one single source behind the links you were kind enough to provide and this source is asahi man.
.

Do you think that it's wrong info?

**lsimpkins** · 07-03-2018, 05:13 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by SSGGeezer

If you don't promise anything, how can customers whine?

You obviously haven't been around PF long enough!

Zygonyx · 07-04-2018, 12:02 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by ogl

The system still has no cheap DFA50/1.7(1.8), 85 mm lenses and no any FF wide-angle primes shorter than 31 mm. The wide angle are covered with huge and expensive zoom Tamron design DFA15-30/2.8, very old FA31/1.8 and FA35/2. It's all. It's sad and funny.

Wide and ultra-wide angle FF lens speaking, Pentax cannot compete with "getting old but still excellent" fast used AF Sigmas (20-24-28mm), and excellent manual Samyang/Laowa/Irix (11-12-14-15-20-24mm) products.
That's it, and so it sounds understandable that they don't prioritize such investments.

thibs · 07-04-2018, 12:32 PM

Mmm? Can't compete? Based on what baseless idea ?

Zygonyx · 07-04-2018, 01:03 PM

Pricewise/Choicewise.
/Wdidyouthink

**UncleVanya** · 07-04-2018, 04:12 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Zygonyx

Wide and ultra-wide angle FF lens speaking, Pentax cannot compete with "getting old but still excellent" fast used AF Sigmas (20-24-28mm), and excellent manual Samyang/Laowa/Irix (11-12-14-15-20-24mm) products.
That's it, and so it sounds understandable that they don't prioritize such investments.

Originally posted by thibs

Mmm? Can't compete? Based on what baseless idea ?

Originally posted by Zygonyx

Pricewise/Choicewise.
/Wdidyouthink

I'd say they can compete but it must be a careful entry. They will want to make sure it is a strong statement lens. They will slowly add lenses to their catalog but it is fantastic that existing old stock can fill the void in these areas. Pentax can't rush in a huge line of lenses in all kinds of focal lengths - they don't have the bandwidth to do it.

**Mikesul** · 07-04-2018, 04:44 PM - **1 Like**

It is interesting that although so many here focus on the need for full frame primes their next lens appears to be a crop where they are already well supplied. I think it shows that Ricoh/Pentax is here for the long haul. No panic. Just producing what they can and what they think is needed.

07-04-2018, 12:02 PM - 1 Like	#116
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	Originally posted by ogl The system still has no cheap DFA50/1.7(1.8), 85 mm lenses and no any FF wide-angle primes shorter than 31 mm. The wide angle are covered with huge and expensive zoom Tamron design DFA15-30/2.8, very old FA31/1.8 and FA35/2. It's all. It's sad and funny. Wide and ultra-wide angle FF lens speaking, Pentax cannot compete with "getting old but still excellent" fast used AF Sigmas (20-24-28mm), and excellent manual Samyang/Laowa/Irix (11-12-14-15-20-24mm) products. That's it, and so it sounds understandable that they don't prioritize such investments. Last edited by Zygonyx; 07-04-2018 at 12:10 PM.

07-04-2018, 01:03 PM	#118
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	Pricewise/Choicewise. /Wdidyouthink Last edited by Zygonyx; 07-04-2018 at 01:25 PM.

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07-02-2018, 03:41 PM - 1 Like	#106
JPT Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Tokyo Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,821	There is a “Developmant Story” article on the Ricoh sure, where named Ricoh Imaging employees talk about how the lens was development. If we are to believe that the lens is actually a Tokina design, that would mean the whole article is a fabrication. It seems a bit far-fetched to me. I actually have a fair amount of skepticism in asahiman’s comments, but I don’t see any good reason to believe this is not designed by Ricoh.

07-02-2018, 03:43 PM - 1 Like	#107
OoKU Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 740 Original Poster	Originally posted by Kunzite This patent might be related to the D FA* 50mm f/1.4: ??2018-22008 \| ???????IP Force? The pressing piece is the clue (together with mentioning heavy elements). The patent is related to the DA55-300 PLM.

07-02-2018, 04:20 PM	#108
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by JPT There is a “Developmant Story” article on the Ricoh sure, where named Ricoh Imaging employees talk about how the lens was development. If we are to believe that the lens is actually a Tokina design, that would mean the whole article is a fabrication. It seems a bit far-fetched to me. The other lenses with such development stories - the D FA* 70-200 and D FA 150-450 - are clearly associated with Ricoh Imaging by patents. They didn't do that for the Tamrons.

07-02-2018, 05:44 PM	#109
Mikesul Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 7,594	We would have to be pretty cynical to not believe it is all or mostly a Pentax creation.

07-02-2018, 05:57 PM - 4 Likes	#110
BROO Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 655	As far as I can see, worrying about which manufacturer owns the patent to a lens is the antithesis of creating a good image? I just don't know what the fuss is all about?

07-02-2018, 06:00 PM	#111
UncleVanya Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2014 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 28,401	Originally posted by BROO As far as I can see, worrying about which manufacturer owns the patent to a lens is the antithesis of creating a good image? I just don't know what the fuss is all about? Amen!

07-02-2018, 06:11 PM	#112
SSGGeezer Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Indiana, U.S. Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,845	Originally posted by BROO As far as I can see, worrying about which manufacturer owns the patent to a lens is the antithesis of creating a good image? I just don't know what the fuss is all about? Just negative Nancies and Salty Sallies making waves because someone (Ricoh/Pentax) didn't tell them what they were doing, lens development and production wise. Pentax is close mouthed and since there are many things that can and do go wrong when creating new, highly technical products, it is better to under-promise and try to over-deliver, rather than fail in some or all of the promises you make. If you don't promise anything, how can customers whine?

07-02-2018, 06:14 PM	#113
BROO Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 655	Originally posted by SSGGeezer If you don't promise anything, how can customers whine? Yes I agree, but they will find a way to whine somehow!

07-03-2018, 04:22 AM	#114
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by Mistral75 There is one single source behind the links you were kind enough to provide and this source is *asahi man*. . Do you think that it's wrong info?

07-03-2018, 05:13 AM - 1 Like	#115
lsimpkins Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: SE Pennsylvania Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 537	Originally posted by SSGGeezer If you don't promise anything, how can customers whine? You obviously haven't been around PF long enough!

07-04-2018, 12:32 PM	#117
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Mmm? Can't compete? Based on what baseless idea ?

07-04-2018, 04:12 PM - 1 Like	#119
UncleVanya Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2014 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 28,401	Originally posted by Zygonyx Wide and ultra-wide angle FF lens speaking, Pentax cannot compete with "getting old but still excellent" fast used AF Sigmas (20-24-28mm), and excellent manual Samyang/Laowa/Irix (11-12-14-15-20-24mm) products. That's it, and so it sounds understandable that they don't prioritize such investments. Originally posted by thibs Mmm? Can't compete? Based on what baseless idea ? Originally posted by Zygonyx Pricewise/Choicewise. /Wdidyouthink I'd say they can compete but it must be a careful entry. They will want to make sure it is a strong statement lens. They will slowly add lenses to their catalog but it is fantastic that existing old stock can fill the void in these areas. Pentax can't rush in a huge line of lenses in all kinds of focal lengths - they don't have the bandwidth to do it.

07-04-2018, 04:44 PM - 1 Like	#120
Mikesul Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 7,594	It is interesting that although so many here focus on the need for full frame primes their next lens appears to be a crop where they are already well supplied. I think it shows that Ricoh/Pentax is here for the long haul. No panic. Just producing what they can and what they think is needed.