Q1 2019 Financial Reports - Pentax still not doomed.

thibs · 02-12-2019, 11:08 AM - **2 Likes**

That RI going premium was exactly the thing to do ?

Mistral75 · 02-12-2019, 11:31 AM - **1 Like**

That nobody buys compact cameras with tiny, 1/2.3" or 1/1.7", sensors any more?

**Erictator** · 02-12-2019, 12:11 PM

Originally posted by Mistral75

That nobody buys compact cameras with tiny, 1/2.3" or 1/1.7", sensors any more?

I dunno, Nikon just announced the new Coolpix B600, A1000 compact cameras... I was all excited when I saw it was only 16Mp and the byline read about a reduced focal length, because I thought it might be APSC or 1" sensor... nope another 1/2.3" job.

But at any rate, Nikon must think there is a market for them, or they wouldn't have built them.
Eric

thibs · 02-12-2019, 04:10 PM

If they did.
Contracted ?

**clackers** · 02-12-2019, 05:59 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by thibs

That RI going premium was exactly the thing to do ?

Ahead of their time, right, being much smaller and able to pivot?

They went Medium Format to undercut Hasselblad and PhaseOne, and eventually Fuji came to realize it was a good idea, too.

They went Full Frame, even when Tony Northrup derided the idea, and now Panasonic are getting into it.

Killed their compact line and yet Nikon are still apparently releasing new models, presumably because they're stuck with a plant producing them.

**RGlasel** · 02-12-2019, 09:51 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by clackers

Killed their compact line and yet Nikon are still apparently releasing new models, presumably because they're stuck with a plant producing them.

Somebody manufactured 8.6 million fixed lens cameras in 2018, even without the GRIII available to inflate numbers.

They outnumbered MILCs 2:1. Some of those will be Canon M100s and $1000 1" compacts from Panasonic, but not more than 8 million of them. Sony keeps releasing new sub m43 sensors as well. Just because the market for compact cameras is a fifth of what it once was, doesn't mean that it doesn't have a pulse.

**monochrome** · 02-12-2019, 10:18 PM

Originally posted by RGlasel

Somebody manufactured 8.6 million fixed lens cameras in 2018, even without the GRIII available to inflate numbers.

They outnumbered MILCs 2:1. Some of those will be Canon M100s and $1000 1" compacts from Panasonic, but not more than 8 million of them. Sony keeps releasing new sub m43 sensors as well. Just because the market for compact cameras is a fifth of what it once was, doesn't mean that it doesn't have a pulse.

I think peak compact camera unit sales was 110,000,000 in 2010, then 80,000,000 in 2011, 48,000,000 by 2013 and a rapid decline to 10,000,000 by 2015. So a loss of a bit more than 100,000,000 annual unit sales (87%) in just 6 years.

The iPhone was introduced in June, 2007 . . . . The below-linked article is already two years old.

https://petapixel.com/2017/03/03/latest-camera-sales-chart-reveals-death-compact-camera/

Last edited by monochrome; 02-12-2019 at 10:33 PM.

**clackers** · 02-12-2019, 10:52 PM

Originally posted by RGlasel

Somebody manufactured 8.6 million fixed lens cameras in 2018, even without the GRIII available to inflate numbers.

They outnumbered MILCs 2:1. Some of those will be Canon M100s and $1000 1" compacts from Panasonic, but not more than 8 million of them. Sony keeps releasing new sub m43 sensors as well. Just because the market for compact cameras is a fifth of what it once was, doesn't mean that it doesn't have a pulse.

All true, RGlasel..

Even if they plunge down to 5.5 million this calendar year at the same rate of decline, someone's still making money off 'em.

yucafrita · 02-12-2019, 11:27 PM

Originally posted by thibs

That RI going premium was exactly the thing to do ?

Ricoh could even go further premium with resuscitating 6x7 although I dont see that happen.

RonHendriks1966 · 02-13-2019, 12:59 AM

Originally posted by clackers

All true, RGlasel..

Even if they plunge down to 5.5 million this calendar year at the same rate of decline, someone's still making money off 'em.

Or loosing money on them!

**clackers** · 02-13-2019, 02:32 AM

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

Or loosing money on them!

Yes, it's possible, but I reckon it's profit because they're mature products - the R&D was paid off years ago.

Anyway, the raw numbers sold have plunged so much nobody would be celebrating.

**Rondec** · 02-13-2019, 03:46 AM

Originally posted by clackers

Yes, it's possible, but I reckon it's profit because they're mature products - the R&D was paid off years ago.

Anyway, the raw numbers sold have plunged so much nobody would be celebrating.

Probably. It mainly depends on how well they judge the market. If they produce 9 million and sell 8, that's a problem.

**clackers** · 02-13-2019, 03:58 AM

Originally posted by Rondec

Probably. It mainly depends on how well they judge the market. If they produce 9 million and sell 8, that's a problem.

Yes, terrible situation to be in. Yet Nikon have launched some new Coolpix ...

biz-engineer · 02-13-2019, 04:54 AM

Originally posted by clackers

Yes, terrible situation to be in. Yet Nikon have launched some new Coolpix ...

Depends how you see it, Coolpix sounds cool to me.

RonHendriks1966 · 02-20-2019, 01:00 PM

Originally posted by Kunzite

But that difference can't be due to the DSLRs, because Ricoh is putting it on "reduction of lineup"/"narrowing down of products". And they kept their DSLR line intact.

It looks like the WG-M2 is out of the program.

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02-12-2019, 11:08 AM - 2 Likes	#166
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	That RI going premium was exactly the thing to do ?

02-12-2019, 11:31 AM - 1 Like	#167
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	That nobody buys compact cameras with tiny, 1/2.3" or 1/1.7", sensors any more?

02-12-2019, 12:11 PM	#168
Erictator Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2011 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,345	Originally posted by Mistral75 That nobody buys compact cameras with tiny, 1/2.3" or 1/1.7", sensors any more? I dunno, Nikon just announced the new Coolpix B600, A1000 compact cameras... I was all excited when I saw it was only 16Mp and the byline read about a reduced focal length, because I thought it might be APSC or 1" sensor... nope another 1/2.3" job. But at any rate, Nikon must think there is a market for them, or they wouldn't have built them. Eric

02-12-2019, 04:10 PM	#169
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	If they did. Contracted ?

02-12-2019, 05:59 PM - 2 Likes	#170
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by thibs That RI going premium was exactly the thing to do ? Ahead of their time, right, being much smaller and able to pivot? They went Medium Format to undercut Hasselblad and PhaseOne, and eventually Fuji came to realize it was a good idea, too. They went Full Frame, even when Tony Northrup derided the idea, and now Panasonic are getting into it. Killed their compact line and yet Nikon are still apparently releasing new models, presumably because they're stuck with a plant producing them.

02-12-2019, 09:51 PM - 1 Like	#171
RGlasel Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Saskatoon Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,228	Originally posted by clackers Killed their compact line and yet Nikon are still apparently releasing new models, presumably because they're stuck with a plant producing them. Somebody manufactured 8.6 million fixed lens cameras in 2018, even without the GRIII available to inflate numbers. They outnumbered MILCs 2:1. Some of those will be Canon M100s and $1000 1" compacts from Panasonic, but not more than 8 million of them. Sony keeps releasing new sub m43 sensors as well. Just because the market for compact cameras is a fifth of what it once was, doesn't mean that it doesn't have a pulse.

02-12-2019, 10:18 PM	#172
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by RGlasel Somebody manufactured 8.6 million fixed lens cameras in 2018, even without the GRIII available to inflate numbers. They outnumbered MILCs 2:1. Some of those will be Canon M100s and $1000 1" compacts from Panasonic, but not more than 8 million of them. Sony keeps releasing new sub m43 sensors as well. Just because the market for compact cameras is a fifth of what it once was, doesn't mean that it doesn't have a pulse. I think peak compact camera unit sales was 110,000,000 in 2010, then 80,000,000 in 2011, 48,000,000 by 2013 and a rapid decline to 10,000,000 by 2015. So a loss of a bit more than 100,000,000 annual unit sales (87%) in just 6 years. The iPhone was introduced in June, 2007 . . . . The below-linked article is already two years old. https://petapixel.com/2017/03/03/latest-camera-sales-chart-reveals-death-compact-camera/ Last edited by monochrome; 02-12-2019 at 10:33 PM.

02-12-2019, 10:52 PM	#173
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by RGlasel Somebody manufactured 8.6 million fixed lens cameras in 2018, even without the GRIII available to inflate numbers. They outnumbered MILCs 2:1. Some of those will be Canon M100s and $1000 1" compacts from Panasonic, but not more than 8 million of them. Sony keeps releasing new sub m43 sensors as well. Just because the market for compact cameras is a fifth of what it once was, doesn't mean that it doesn't have a pulse. All true, RGlasel.. Even if they plunge down to 5.5 million this calendar year at the same rate of decline, someone's still making money off 'em.

02-12-2019, 11:27 PM	#174
yucafrita Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 459	Originally posted by thibs That RI going premium was exactly the thing to do ? Ricoh could even go further premium with resuscitating 6x7 although I dont see that happen.

02-13-2019, 12:59 AM	#175
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by clackers All true, RGlasel.. Even if they plunge down to 5.5 million this calendar year at the same rate of decline, someone's still making money off 'em. Or loosing money on them!

02-13-2019, 02:32 AM	#176
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 Or loosing money on them! Yes, it's possible, but I reckon it's profit because they're mature products - the R&D was paid off years ago. Anyway, the raw numbers sold have plunged so much nobody would be celebrating.

02-13-2019, 03:46 AM	#177
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,653	Originally posted by clackers Yes, it's possible, but I reckon it's profit because they're mature products - the R&D was paid off years ago. Anyway, the raw numbers sold have plunged so much nobody would be celebrating. Probably. It mainly depends on how well they judge the market. If they produce 9 million and sell 8, that's a problem.

02-13-2019, 03:58 AM	#178
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by Rondec Probably. It mainly depends on how well they judge the market. If they produce 9 million and sell 8, that's a problem. Yes, terrible situation to be in. Yet Nikon have launched some new Coolpix ...

02-13-2019, 04:54 AM	#179
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,232	Originally posted by clackers Yes, terrible situation to be in. Yet Nikon have launched some new Coolpix ... Depends how you see it, Coolpix sounds cool to me.

02-20-2019, 01:00 PM	#180
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by Kunzite But that difference can't be due to the DSLRs, because Ricoh is putting it on "reduction of lineup"/"narrowing down of products". And they kept their DSLR line intact. It looks like the WG-M2 is out of the program.