DPReview manages to do a negative review of the DFA*50

Kunzite · 08-13-2018, 05:00 AM - **1 Like**

I would like to see it compared to the Nikon 58mm f/1.4. Just for the laughs.

repaap · 08-13-2018, 05:05 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

I would like to see it compared to the Nikon 58mm f/1.4. Just for the laughs.

Well guys at nicon and canon camp don’t have to worry because they have so good thirdparty offerings. There is Sigma Art and soon there will be this Tokina. Almost as good as Pentax..of course you can buy those Zeiss lensestoo..

surfar · 08-13-2018, 05:06 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

You mean, a Nikon with the same sensor?

Like putting that Sigma lens on a $$$ony A7r

Originally posted by Kunzite

That's so unfair

fredrious · 08-13-2018, 05:25 AM - **1 Like**

Has anyone else also noticed that in the photo they used to address longitudinal chromatic aberration, the fence is actually GREEN and therefore much of the greenish shades are because of the color of the fence and not the aberration!!
here is a photo from their sample gallery.

Read more at: DPReview manages to do a negative review of the DFA*50 - Page 13 - PentaxForums.com

Last edited by fredrious; 08-13-2018 at 05:32 AM.

surfar · 08-13-2018, 05:52 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

I would like to see it compared to the Nikon 58mm f/1.4.

Well, i'll be interested in seeing it compared to the Nikkor 50mm F0.95 when it becomes available.

repaap · 08-13-2018, 05:54 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by fredrious

Has anyone else also noticed that in the photo they used to address longitudinal chromatic aberration, the fence is actually GREEN and therefore much of the greenish shades are because of the color of the fence and not the aberration!!
here is a photo from their sample gallery.

Read more at: DPReview manages to do a negative review of the DFA*50 - Page 13 - PentaxForums.com

Yes, it has been pointed out. Sad but true, this is one of the things where you can easily see what they were doing and what not.

LensBeginner · 08-13-2018, 05:56 AM

Originally posted by surfar

Well, maybe?...He showed an Older model Nikon with a Sigma lens compared to a Pentax with a Pentax lens.

It will be interesting to see that Nik camera with the Tokina Opera lens on it?

1. as previously noted, those two cameras have the same sensor; 2. it's a Sigma Art series lens, not a "Stigma" lens of yore and 3. there wouldn't be much point in testing the Pentax against the Tokina Opera, since Tokina just licensed the design from Pentax. You could only spot minor differences due to coatings and so on, but since they're essentially the same lens, well...

normhead · 08-13-2018, 05:56 AM

Originally posted by repaap

Well guys at nicon and canon camp don’t have to worry because they have so good thirdparty offerings.

If it turns out those third party offerings are as good. The evidence so far would suggest they aren't. Please don't be one of those morons that believes there are reasons why Pentax can't produce top of class lenses. Some have already suggested the DFA 50 is top of class. At that point discussion of third part lenses become moot. How much are you willing to pay for an inferior lens?

repaap · 08-13-2018, 05:57 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by surfar

Well, i'll be interested in seeing it compared to the Nikkor 50mm F0.95 when it becomes available.

Wide open hars contrast..let’s look after fringins , and talk abou fat fifty taken on next level. If it is FF lens..

normhead · 08-13-2018, 05:57 AM - **6 Likes**

Originally posted by LensBeginner

1. as previously noted, those two cameras have the same sensor; 2. it's a Sigma Art series lens, not a "Stigma" lens of yore and 3. there wouldn't be much point in testing the Pentax against the Tokina Opera, since Tokina just licensed the design from Pentax. You could only spot minor differences due to coatings and so on, but since they're essentially the same lens, well...

How long before someone complains the Tokina version isn't available for Pentax?

repaap · 08-13-2018, 06:03 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by normhead

If it turns out those third party offerings are as good. The evidence so far would suggest they aren't. Please don't be one of those morons that believes there are reasons why Pentax can't produce top of class lenses. Some have already suggested the DFA 50 is top of class. At that point discussion of third part lenses become moot. How much are you willing to pay for an inferior lens?

No, I was just boiling up my sarcasm kettle there. Besides that third party tokina will be quite something if it will be as good as Pentax, where they got it from. About my sarc. Is that everyne is talking about pentax/tamtokina....for what ever and now when it is going other way around, it is sweet. So sweet that it almost tickles.

bladerunner6 · 08-13-2018, 06:03 AM

Originally posted by fromunderthebridge

One wonders if it wouldn't actually be a better sport for DPR to stop reviewing/commenting on Pentax gear altogether. I mean they've painted themselves into a corner where they can't write about Pentax without it becoming a s*itfest. I do believe that some of their writers who would be able to write non-confrontingly may even throw up their hands beforehand because they honestly believe that 'eh, can't please them so * do I care' and be partially correct.

Their K70 review was okay and the KP one was pretty much balanced.

**clickclick** · 08-13-2018, 06:08 AM - **1 Like**

Well, we're getting one thing positive out of this DPR review - more clicks for the August giveaway.

At this point, I'd say DPR is hitting the point of being irrelevant. Anyone with any honesty or clue can look at the pictures produced with this lens and know the truth. For those who can't tell, they're not the market anyway.

**ffking** · 08-13-2018, 06:09 AM

Originally posted by fromunderthebridge

I'm just wondering, if they even have a way out anymore without looking like they have capitulated

If they stop worrying about how you look and start concerning themselves with telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth (even if only the truth as they honestly see it and are open to correction) it's really not so difficult

normhead · 08-13-2018, 06:09 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by repaap

No, I was just boiling up my sarcasm kettle there. Besides that third party tokina will be quite something if it will be as good as Pentax, where they got it from. About my sarc. Is that everyne is talking about pentax/tamtokina....for what ever and now when it is going other way around, it is sweet. So sweet that it almost tickles.

It's going back to the way it's been since most of the history of the companies. You have to give Sigma credit for being first with the fat lenses, but I don't think any third party company can put the money into exemplary lenses an OEM with a dedicated user base can. It was only a matter of time.

---------- Post added 08-13-18 at 09:20 AM ----------

Originally posted by Ian Stuart Forsyth

Hoya is more than likely going to be the company to supply the lens blanks and the lens formulas for the different properties of those lens blanks, we can also with a degree of certainty believe that Hoya will be grinding and polishing the lenses for both tokina and pentax

You are out doing yourself Ian.
OK. I'll bite, where is the information a that would lead us to believe Hoya is making blacks and polishing and dong the coatings for Pentax?

Where is the evidence supporting their "degree of certainty?"

Where is the evidence Hoya has used it's facilities for even one Pentax lens, even when they owned Pentax?

But i have to ask, Ian, do yo have a lens as good as the DFA*50 1.4?

08-13-2018, 06:09 AM - 1 Like	#195
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by repaap No, I was just boiling up my sarcasm kettle there. Besides that third party tokina will be quite something if it will be as good as Pentax, where they got it from. About my sarc. Is that everyne is talking about pentax/tamtokina....for what ever and now when it is going other way around, it is sweet. So sweet that it almost tickles. It's going back to the way it's been since most of the history of the companies. You have to give Sigma credit for being first with the fat lenses, but I don't think any third party company can put the money into exemplary lenses an OEM with a dedicated user base can. It was only a matter of time. ---------- Post added 08-13-18 at 09:20 AM ---------- Originally posted by Ian Stuart Forsyth Hoya is more than likely going to be the company to supply the lens blanks and the lens formulas for the different properties of those lens blanks, we can also with a degree of certainty believe that Hoya will be grinding and polishing the lenses for both tokina and pentax You are out doing yourself Ian. OK. I'll bite, where is the information a that would lead us to believe Hoya is making blacks and polishing and dong the coatings for Pentax? Where is the evidence supporting their "degree of certainty?" Where is the evidence Hoya has used it's facilities for even one Pentax lens, even when they owned Pentax? But i have to ask, Ian, do yo have a lens as good as the DFA50 1.4? Last edited by normhead; 08-13-2018 at 06:21 AM.*

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08-13-2018, 05:00 AM - 1 Like	#181
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	I would like to see it compared to the Nikon 58mm f/1.4. Just for the laughs.

08-13-2018, 05:05 AM	#182
repaap Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,242	Originally posted by Kunzite I would like to see it compared to the Nikon 58mm f/1.4. Just for the laughs. Well guys at nicon and canon camp don’t have to worry because they have so good thirdparty offerings. There is Sigma Art and soon there will be this Tokina. Almost as good as Pentax..of course you can buy those Zeiss lensestoo..

08-13-2018, 05:06 AM	#183
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,145	Originally posted by Kunzite You mean, a Nikon with the same sensor? Like putting that Sigma lens on a $$$ony A7r Originally posted by Kunzite That's so unfair

08-13-2018, 05:25 AM - 1 Like	#184
fredrious Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Germany, Regensburg Posts: 31	Has anyone else also noticed that in the photo they used to address longitudinal chromatic aberration, the fence is actually GREEN and therefore much of the greenish shades are because of the color of the fence and not the aberration!! here is a photo from their sample gallery. Read more at: DPReview manages to do a negative review of the DFA50 - Page 13 - PentaxForums.com Last edited by fredrious; 08-13-2018 at 05:32 AM.*

08-13-2018, 05:52 AM	#185
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,145	Originally posted by Kunzite I would like to see it compared to the Nikon 58mm f/1.4. Well, i'll be interested in seeing it compared to the Nikkor 50mm F0.95 when it becomes available.

08-13-2018, 05:54 AM - 1 Like	#186
repaap Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,242	Originally posted by fredrious Has anyone else also noticed that in the photo they used to address longitudinal chromatic aberration, the fence is actually GREEN and therefore much of the greenish shades are because of the color of the fence and not the aberration!! here is a photo from their sample gallery. Read more at: DPReview manages to do a negative review of the DFA*50 - Page 13 - PentaxForums.com Yes, it has been pointed out. Sad but true, this is one of the things where you can easily see what they were doing and what not.

08-13-2018, 05:56 AM	#187
LensBeginner Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Photos: Albums Posts: 4,696	Originally posted by surfar Well, maybe?...He showed an Older model Nikon with a Sigma lens compared to a Pentax with a Pentax lens. It will be interesting to see that Nik camera with the Tokina Opera lens on it? 1. as previously noted, those two cameras have the same sensor; 2. it's a Sigma Art series lens, not a "Stigma" lens of yore and 3. there wouldn't be much point in testing the Pentax against the Tokina Opera, since Tokina just licensed the design from Pentax. You could only spot minor differences due to coatings and so on, but since they're essentially the same lens, well...

08-13-2018, 05:56 AM	#188
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by repaap Well guys at nicon and canon camp don’t have to worry because they have so good thirdparty offerings. If it turns out those third party offerings are as good. The evidence so far would suggest they aren't. Please don't be one of those morons that believes there are reasons why Pentax can't produce top of class lenses. Some have already suggested the DFA 50 is top of class. At that point discussion of third part lenses become moot. How much are you willing to pay for an inferior lens?

08-13-2018, 05:57 AM - 1 Like	#189
repaap Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,242	Originally posted by surfar Well, i'll be interested in seeing it compared to the Nikkor 50mm F0.95 when it becomes available. Wide open hars contrast..let’s look after fringins , and talk abou fat fifty taken on next level. If it is FF lens..

08-13-2018, 05:57 AM - 6 Likes	#190
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by LensBeginner 1. as previously noted, those two cameras have the same sensor; 2. it's a Sigma Art series lens, not a "Stigma" lens of yore and 3. there wouldn't be much point in testing the Pentax against the Tokina Opera, since Tokina just licensed the design from Pentax. You could only spot minor differences due to coatings and so on, but since they're essentially the same lens, well... How long before someone complains the Tokina version isn't available for Pentax?

08-13-2018, 06:03 AM - 1 Like	#191
repaap Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,242	Originally posted by normhead If it turns out those third party offerings are as good. The evidence so far would suggest they aren't. Please don't be one of those morons that believes there are reasons why Pentax can't produce top of class lenses. Some have already suggested the DFA 50 is top of class. At that point discussion of third part lenses become moot. How much are you willing to pay for an inferior lens? No, I was just boiling up my sarcasm kettle there. Besides that third party tokina will be quite something if it will be as good as Pentax, where they got it from. About my sarc. Is that everyne is talking about pentax/tamtokina....for what ever and now when it is going other way around, it is sweet. So sweet that it almost tickles.

08-13-2018, 06:03 AM	#192
bladerunner6 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Photos: Albums Posts: 2,080	Originally posted by fromunderthebridge One wonders if it wouldn't actually be a better sport for DPR to stop reviewing/commenting on Pentax gear altogether. I mean they've painted themselves into a corner where they can't write about Pentax without it becoming a sitfest. I do believe that some of their writers who would be able to write non-confrontingly may even throw up their hands beforehand because they honestly believe that 'eh, can't please them so do I care' and be partially correct. Their K70 review was okay and the KP one was pretty much balanced.

08-13-2018, 06:08 AM - 1 Like	#193
clickclick Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: May 2016 Location: East Coast Posts: 2,904	Well, we're getting one thing positive out of this DPR review - more clicks for the August giveaway. At this point, I'd say DPR is hitting the point of being irrelevant. Anyone with any honesty or clue can look at the pictures produced with this lens and know the truth. For those who can't tell, they're not the market anyway.

08-13-2018, 06:09 AM	#194
ffking Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Old South Wales Posts: 6,039	Originally posted by fromunderthebridge I'm just wondering, if they even have a way out anymore without looking like they have capitulated If they stop worrying about how you look and start concerning themselves with telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth (even if only the truth as they honestly see it and are open to correction) it's really not so difficult