EISA 2018 No Pentax, No Surprise?!

**PJ1** · 08-18-2018, 03:17 PM

Originally posted by reh321

every so often I miss a good shot because I accidentally set my camera for 'video' mode

So I'm not the only person who manages to do that. Give me a camera without video any day.

RonHendriks1966 · 08-19-2018, 12:24 AM - **1 Like**

It could be that the 50mm is to late to market to be part in this years eisa award.

kooks · 08-19-2018, 08:02 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by BigMackCam

I don't understand what's sad about it

The cycle of new product development within Pentax is such that there'll be some years where there are award-worthy products, other years where there aren't, and I don't see why the latter is a problem. Even so, I really don't care about the awards, who wins and who doesn't from year to year. I'd just like Ricoh Imaging to keep developing and releasing high quality, relevant Pentax products. So far, it hasn't disappointed me

I mean "sad" because looks like some people are surprised that Pentax did not win an award.. I dont really care about that, but looks like some do. OTOH, this passivity for releasing relevant products i think that will hurt a lot to the brand in the future, specially in this age that moves so freaking fast about technology, being too passive about it can eventually hurt a brand, but... it all depends what Ricoh wants with Pentax, will they want to keep the user base as long as they can and maybe grow it a little?? .. or will the want to be more aggressive about the market share? who knows, at least nobody here knows, only them..

PaysonAZTim · 08-19-2018, 08:43 PM

Originally posted by torashi

Exactly my thoughts. Money is a bias, and that's why we look for independent reviews on the net. That's also what drives the controversy behind dprewiew.

What's the controversy behind dpreview?

biz-engineer · 08-19-2018, 11:08 PM - **1 Like**

Advertising is everything about the camera equipment, especially for Sony. All this marketing is aimed at getting money from people who still believe cameras make the difference. Business wise, it works (for Sony), not so much for the guys who spent the money, they are still taking the same kind of photographs after switching brands. When browsing their photo-stream in flickr no one can tell at which point they switched from brand A to brand B

, but brand B know when their received the money

kooks · 08-20-2018, 08:54 AM

Originally posted by biz-engineer

people who still believe cameras make the difference

The thing is that depending on the job, the cameras DOES make a differnece, not every camera is the perfect tool for every task, ofcourse many the jobs can be done with any camera, but perhaps not as easy/good as with an equipment that fits more with what the photographer is looking for.

biz-engineer · 08-20-2018, 09:00 AM

Originally posted by kooks

The thing is that depending on the job, the cameras DOES make a differnece, not every camera is the perfect tool for every task, ofcourse many the jobs can be done with any camera, but perhaps not as easy/good as with an equipment that fits more with what the photographer is looking for.

That's a general statement. Can you give a specific example?

Last edited by biz-engineer; 08-20-2018 at 09:07 AM.

**WillWeaverRVA** · 08-20-2018, 09:02 AM

Doomed, I tell you!

Just kidding...or am I?!

biz-engineer · 08-20-2018, 09:05 AM

Pentax K-1 won a TIPA award, and Pentax K3 got a EISA award. If there is no award in 2018, does it remove the awards of the previous years? Because I was suspicious about my photos being not as good this year, could be due to no EISA award for Pentax this year?

RonHendriks1966 · 08-20-2018, 09:46 AM

I think Pentax just didn't meet the requirements to be nominated.

PRODUCT ELIGIBILITY AND TIMELINE
With the exception of products nominated purely for innovation or design all candidates for EISA Award nomination must have been tested by at least five member magazines from the appropriate Expert Group before the EISA AGM. To achieve this, the absolute deadline for supply of products to member magazines is 26th May 2018, but preferably before 31st March 2018, to ensure sufficient time for thorough testing. To coordinate delivery of your products to individual Expert Group magazines before April, please contact the appropriate Expert Group Manager []Staff | EISA – Expert Imaging and Sound Association. If you cannot supply before April then please contact EISA’s Vice President, Ljubiša Miodragovic, as soon as possible [ljubisa.miodragovic@eisa.eu]. Finally, to qualify for an EISA Award 2018-19, the nominated product(s) must also be available for sale in at least 10 European countries before 1st October 2018. Similarly, any pre-ordered products must be delivered to consumer(s) by the 15th Oct 2018. EISA Awards will be withdrawn from any products that fail to meet this deadline for their general availability.

torashi · 08-20-2018, 11:01 AM

Which are those magazines?

kooks · 08-20-2018, 11:28 AM

Originally posted by biz-engineer

That's a general statement. Can you give a specific example?

For example, I do weddings, of course i can do weddings with the K1, but buffer speed kills me at some parts, the camera simply locks until the buffer clears, and for the kind of photograph that im looking for, sometimes speed is necessary, and sometimes during that lock moments things happen, important things that might be missed because of so call "issue".. ahother one is AF tracking aint the best.. of course that it works, but other cameras have a way more advance AF tracking.. that is why I say that not every camera works for every work, and cameras DOES matter at some point. If you are a landscape shooter or perhaps a macro shooter, a camera like K1 would be the perfect camera, in that case again, camera does matter for the job that you are doing.

**BigMackCam** · 08-20-2018, 11:29 AM

Originally posted by torashi

Which are those magazines?

Members | EISA – Expert Imaging and Sound Association

Click on the "Photography" section. Not much of a list, frankly...

Kunzite · 08-20-2018, 11:41 AM - **1 Like**

I guess Amateur Photographer persuaded the others that Pentax is dead, no need to look at their new product

**ffking** · 08-20-2018, 11:43 AM - **3 Likes**

Originally posted by PaysonAZTim

What's the controversy behind dpreview?

Long story, but their reporting of Pentax gear has a tendency to dwell on the shortcomings (real or imagined) and downplay the good points. In the comments section of their hands-pn review of the D FA* 50:1.4 even some non-Pentaxians were commenting on this. It's not as bad as some make out, it just feels like their slant on what photographers want in rather tech-centred rather than photographer centred. But there's a huge buzz around mirrorless - and Sony in particular - from a lot of sources at the moment, which leaves companies doing something different a bit underappreciated.

---------- Post added 20-08-18 at 11:48 AM ----------

Originally posted by Kunzite

I guess Amateur Photographer persuaded the others that Pentax is dead

They actually did a very positive review of the original K-1 and have been traditionally quite pro-Pentax, or at least fair to Pentax - I think that the offending article was just one individual (although he obviously had to get it past the editor) -what got up my nose in that case was the lazy parroting of received wisdom in a way that can only harm the brand - as in why???

08-19-2018, 08:02 PM - 1 Like	#18
kooks Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: San José, Costa Rica Photos: Albums Posts: 794	Originally posted by BigMackCam I don't understand what's sad about it The cycle of new product development within Pentax is such that there'll be some years where there are award-worthy products, other years where there aren't, and I don't see why the latter is a problem. Even so, I really don't care about the awards, who wins and who doesn't from year to year. I'd just like Ricoh Imaging to keep developing and releasing high quality, relevant Pentax products. So far, it hasn't disappointed me I mean "sad" because looks like some people are surprised that Pentax did not win an award.. I dont really care about that, but looks like some do. OTOH, this passivity for releasing relevant products i think that will hurt a lot to the brand in the future, specially in this age that moves so freaking fast about technology, being too passive about it can eventually hurt a brand, but... it all depends what Ricoh wants with Pentax, will they want to keep the user base as long as they can and maybe grow it a little?? .. or will the want to be more aggressive about the market share? who knows, at least nobody here knows, only them.. Last edited by kooks; 08-19-2018 at 08:49 PM.

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08-18-2018, 03:17 PM	#16
PJ1 Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Toowoomba, Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,484	Originally posted by reh321 every so often I miss a good shot because I accidentally set my camera for 'video' mode So I'm not the only person who manages to do that. Give me a camera without video any day.

08-19-2018, 12:24 AM - 1 Like	#17
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	It could be that the 50mm is to late to market to be part in this years eisa award.

08-19-2018, 08:43 PM	#19
PaysonAZTim Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: near Payson, Arizona Posts: 160	Originally posted by torashi Exactly my thoughts. Money is a bias, and that's why we look for independent reviews on the net. That's also what drives the controversy behind dprewiew. What's the controversy behind dpreview?

08-19-2018, 11:08 PM - 1 Like	#20
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,231	Advertising is everything about the camera equipment, especially for Sony. All this marketing is aimed at getting money from people who still believe cameras make the difference. Business wise, it works (for Sony), not so much for the guys who spent the money, they are still taking the same kind of photographs after switching brands. When browsing their photo-stream in flickr no one can tell at which point they switched from brand A to brand B , but brand B know when their received the money

08-20-2018, 08:54 AM	#21
kooks Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: San José, Costa Rica Photos: Albums Posts: 794	Originally posted by biz-engineer people who still believe cameras make the difference The thing is that depending on the job, the cameras DOES make a differnece, not every camera is the perfect tool for every task, ofcourse many the jobs can be done with any camera, but perhaps not as easy/good as with an equipment that fits more with what the photographer is looking for.

08-20-2018, 09:00 AM	#22
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,231	Originally posted by kooks The thing is that depending on the job, the cameras DOES make a differnece, not every camera is the perfect tool for every task, ofcourse many the jobs can be done with any camera, but perhaps not as easy/good as with an equipment that fits more with what the photographer is looking for. That's a general statement. Can you give a specific example? Last edited by biz-engineer; 08-20-2018 at 09:07 AM.

08-20-2018, 09:02 AM	#23
WillWeaverRVA Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Richmond, VA Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,071	Doomed, I tell you! Just kidding...or am I?!

08-20-2018, 09:05 AM	#24
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,231	Pentax K-1 won a TIPA award, and Pentax K3 got a EISA award. If there is no award in 2018, does it remove the awards of the previous years? Because I was suspicious about my photos being not as good this year, could be due to no EISA award for Pentax this year?

08-20-2018, 09:46 AM	#25
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	I think Pentax just didn't meet the requirements to be nominated. PRODUCT ELIGIBILITY AND TIMELINE With the exception of products nominated purely for innovation or design all candidates for EISA Award nomination must have been tested by at least five member magazines from the appropriate Expert Group before the EISA AGM. To achieve this, the absolute deadline for supply of products to member magazines is 26th May 2018, but preferably before 31st March 2018, to ensure sufficient time for thorough testing. To coordinate delivery of your products to individual Expert Group magazines before April, please contact the appropriate Expert Group Manager []Staff \| EISA – Expert Imaging and Sound Association. If you cannot supply before April then please contact EISA’s Vice President, Ljubiša Miodragovic, as soon as possible [ljubisa.miodragovic@eisa.eu]. Finally, to qualify for an EISA Award 2018-19, the nominated product(s) must also be available for sale in at least 10 European countries before 1st October 2018. Similarly, any pre-ordered products must be delivered to consumer(s) by the 15th Oct 2018. EISA Awards will be withdrawn from any products that fail to meet this deadline for their general availability.

08-20-2018, 11:01 AM	#26
torashi Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Medellín Posts: 1,322	Which are those magazines?

08-20-2018, 11:28 AM	#27
kooks Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: San José, Costa Rica Photos: Albums Posts: 794	Originally posted by biz-engineer That's a general statement. Can you give a specific example? For example, I do weddings, of course i can do weddings with the K1, but buffer speed kills me at some parts, the camera simply locks until the buffer clears, and for the kind of photograph that im looking for, sometimes speed is necessary, and sometimes during that lock moments things happen, important things that might be missed because of so call "issue".. ahother one is AF tracking aint the best.. of course that it works, but other cameras have a way more advance AF tracking.. that is why I say that not every camera works for every work, and cameras DOES matter at some point. If you are a landscape shooter or perhaps a macro shooter, a camera like K1 would be the perfect camera, in that case again, camera does matter for the job that you are doing.

08-20-2018, 11:29 AM	#28
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,670	Originally posted by torashi Which are those magazines? Members \| EISA – Expert Imaging and Sound Association Click on the "Photography" section. Not much of a list, frankly...

08-20-2018, 11:41 AM - 1 Like	#29
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	I guess Amateur Photographer persuaded the others that Pentax is dead, no need to look at their new product

08-20-2018, 11:43 AM - 3 Likes	#30
ffking Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Old South Wales Posts: 6,038	Originally posted by PaysonAZTim What's the controversy behind dpreview? Long story, but their reporting of Pentax gear has a tendency to dwell on the shortcomings (real or imagined) and downplay the good points. In the comments section of their hands-pn review of the D FA* 50:1.4 even some non-Pentaxians were commenting on this. It's not as bad as some make out, it just feels like their slant on what photographers want in rather tech-centred rather than photographer centred. But there's a huge buzz around mirrorless - and Sony in particular - from a lot of sources at the moment, which leaves companies doing something different a bit underappreciated. ---------- Post added 20-08-18 at 11:48 AM ---------- Originally posted by Kunzite I guess Amateur Photographer persuaded the others that Pentax is dead They actually did a very positive review of the original K-1 and have been traditionally quite pro-Pentax, or at least fair to Pentax - I think that the offending article was just one individual (although he obviously had to get it past the editor) -what got up my nose in that case was the lazy parroting of received wisdom in a way that can only harm the brand - as in why???