Photokina, Ricoh has Confirmed

**jatrax** · 09-27-2018, 09:22 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by thibs

Worse: why did they even bother developing a DA converter as they knew FF was coming anyway...

If I remember right the TC was actually developed and shelved under Hoya before Ricoh bought them. At that time there was no possibility of a FF camera. When Ricoh bought Pentax the 1.4x TC was one of the projects they green lighted and it moved forward but it was designed before any thought of FF.

In hindsight a FF capable design would have been a better idea but at that time they were APS-C only.

**erikro** · 09-27-2018, 09:27 AM

Originally posted by reh321

What is wrong with having three dials???

I would like a bigger display.

BROO · 09-27-2018, 09:32 AM

Originally posted by erikro

I would like a bigger display.

I rarely look at the top display.
All the information I need is either on the rear screen or in the viewfinder.
I have ISO setup on the third dial.

reh321 · 09-27-2018, 09:33 AM

Originally posted by erikro

I would like a bigger display.

I'd be happy with no display if that is needed to get three dials.
How is Pentax going to make everyone happy???

Last edited by reh321; 09-27-2018 at 09:40 AM.

**jatrax** · 09-27-2018, 09:37 AM

Originally posted by erikro

I would like a bigger display.

I would like three dials.

Never looked at the silly top display, I never could understand the purpose of it when all that info is better shown on the rear display. Why waste valuable real estate on a dim display that is hard to read and duplicates the rear display? Just my opinion.

normhead · 09-27-2018, 09:58 AM

Originally posted by reh321

Main thing is that people are getting nervous because of lack of "APS Flagship" - retail stock is getting very very low, so there is a real desire for a reassurance that there really is something beyond the next hill.

Exactly.....
But that's one of the joys of Pentax. Wondering if they are really ever going to do something again. I Just ordered a 20 tear old 2x TC, Pentax says wine is coming but, do I really want to wait. At least there's something.

A few days again I shot with the DA*60-250 with the 1.4 TC on my K-1. I have no clue whether it was the lens r the TC that caused the vignetting.

reh321 · 09-27-2018, 10:18 AM

Originally posted by normhead

Exactly.....
But that's one of the joys of Pentax. Wondering if they are really ever going to do something again. I Just ordered a 20 tear old 2x TC, Pentax says wine is coming but, do I really want to wait. At least there's something.

A few days again I shot with the DA*60-250 with the 1.4 TC on my K-1. I have no clue whether it was the lens r the TC that caused the vignetting.

TC's are always an adventure. When I thought I might be given a K-1, I got an AdaptAll TC for my AdaptAll 60-300mm, and suddenly I had purple fringing on a lens that had never provided any fringing before.

**Larrymc** · 09-27-2018, 10:32 AM

Originally posted by reh321

I'd be happy with no display if that is needed to get three dials.
How is Pentax going to make everyone happy???

Easy, Pentax is going to do what they want to do and not exceed to every whim individual users want and we either buy it and use it or not buy it and complain about it. Its pretty simple.

normhead · 09-27-2018, 10:39 AM

Originally posted by reh321

TC's are always an adventure. When I thought I might be given a K-1, I got an AdaptAll TC for my AdaptAll 60-300mm, and suddenly I had purple fringing on a lens that had never provided any fringing before.

I have no lenses that have never caused purple fringing. What lens were you shooting with? TCs are for A*, FA* DA*, or high end DA lenses. Most of the time, it's the original lens that's the problem, not the TC. A TC will magnify PF that's already there. I have no knowledge of purple fringing with a TC on a lens that never had PF without the TC. But I've also only ever used Pentax TCs.

But I regularly shot with TCs either the HD DA 1.4 TC or the F 1.7x AF Adapter (and sometimes both TCs stacked) on my DA*200, DA*60-250, DFA 100 macro, Tamron 80 macro and Tamron 300 without issue. On my F 70-210, visible PF becomes worse. My solution, don't use a TC on the 70-210.

A good lens with a good TC isn't an adventure. Everything has to be top notch or all bets are off. After all a 1.7x TC magnifies the image 1.7 times. Any weakness in less than top notch lenses will be magnified 1.7 times.

VoiceOfReason · 09-27-2018, 10:41 AM

The DA 1.4 TC is awesome and doesn't seem to give any issue with IQ at all, but is not FF compatible. Too bad, I wish it were.

normhead · 09-27-2018, 10:49 AM

Originally posted by VoiceOfReason

The DA 1.4 TC is awesome and doesn't seem to give any issue with IQ at all, but is not FF compatible. Too bad, I wish it were.

Ya, it's a disappointment to pay what paid for it and then have Pentax come out with an expensive body that won't use it.

Although, if you're cropping a bit, it doesn't cost you anything.

K-1 and DA*200 and 1.4 TC, razor sharp even pixel peeping.

But in all fairness, I do understand that people who use cheap TCs on less than stellar lenses will probably have issues. If you start with the best lenses available, you won't have issues.

TCs are a way to make the most out of lenses that out resolve your sensor by a sizeable margin.

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09-27-2018, 09:22 AM - 1 Like	#1951
jatrax Site Supporter Join Date: May 2010 Location: Washington Cascades Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,991	Originally posted by thibs Worse: why did they even bother developing a DA converter as they knew FF was coming anyway... If I remember right the TC was actually developed and shelved under Hoya before Ricoh bought them. At that time there was no possibility of a FF camera. When Ricoh bought Pentax the 1.4x TC was one of the projects they green lighted and it moved forward but it was designed before any thought of FF. In hindsight a FF capable design would have been a better idea but at that time they were APS-C only.

09-27-2018, 09:27 AM	#1952
erikro Site Supporter Join Date: May 2008 Location: Ølgod, Denmark Photos: Gallery Posts: 135	Originally posted by reh321 What is wrong with having three dials??? I would like a bigger display.

09-27-2018, 09:32 AM	#1953
BROO Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 655	Originally posted by erikro I would like a bigger display. I rarely look at the top display. All the information I need is either on the rear screen or in the viewfinder. I have ISO setup on the third dial.

09-27-2018, 09:33 AM	#1954
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,177	Originally posted by erikro I would like a bigger display. I'd be happy with no display if that is needed to get three dials. How is Pentax going to make everyone happy??? Last edited by reh321; 09-27-2018 at 09:40 AM.

09-27-2018, 09:37 AM	#1955
jatrax Site Supporter Join Date: May 2010 Location: Washington Cascades Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,991	Originally posted by erikro I would like a bigger display. I would like three dials. Never looked at the silly top display, I never could understand the purpose of it when all that info is better shown on the rear display. Why waste valuable real estate on a dim display that is hard to read and duplicates the rear display? Just my opinion.

09-27-2018, 09:58 AM	#1956
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by reh321 Main thing is that people are getting nervous because of lack of "APS Flagship" - retail stock is getting very very low, so there is a real desire for a reassurance that there really is something beyond the next hill. Exactly..... But that's one of the joys of Pentax. Wondering if they are really ever going to do something again. I Just ordered a 20 tear old 2x TC, Pentax says wine is coming but, do I really want to wait. At least there's something. A few days again I shot with the DA*60-250 with the 1.4 TC on my K-1. I have no clue whether it was the lens r the TC that caused the vignetting.

09-27-2018, 10:18 AM	#1957
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,177	Originally posted by normhead Exactly..... But that's one of the joys of Pentax. Wondering if they are really ever going to do something again. I Just ordered a 20 tear old 2x TC, Pentax says wine is coming but, do I really want to wait. At least there's something. A few days again I shot with the DA*60-250 with the 1.4 TC on my K-1. I have no clue whether it was the lens r the TC that caused the vignetting. TC's are always an adventure. When I thought I might be given a K-1, I got an AdaptAll TC for my AdaptAll 60-300mm, and suddenly I had purple fringing on a lens that had never provided any fringing before.

09-27-2018, 10:32 AM	#1958
Larrymc Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Mississippi, USA Posts: 5,251	Originally posted by reh321 I'd be happy with no display if that is needed to get three dials. How is Pentax going to make everyone happy??? Easy, Pentax is going to do what they want to do and not exceed to every whim individual users want and we either buy it and use it or not buy it and complain about it. Its pretty simple.

09-27-2018, 10:39 AM	#1959
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by reh321 TC's are always an adventure. When I thought I might be given a K-1, I got an AdaptAll TC for my AdaptAll 60-300mm, and suddenly I had purple fringing on a lens that had never provided any fringing before. I have no lenses that have never caused purple fringing. What lens were you shooting with? TCs are for A, FA DA, or high end DA lenses. Most of the time, it's the original lens that's the problem, not the TC. A TC will magnify PF that's already there. I have no knowledge of purple fringing with a TC on a lens that never had PF without the TC. But I've also only ever used Pentax TCs. But I regularly shot with TCs either the HD DA 1.4 TC or the F 1.7x AF Adapter (and sometimes both TCs stacked) on my DA200, DA*60-250, DFA 100 macro, Tamron 80 macro and Tamron 300 without issue. On my F 70-210, visible PF becomes worse. My solution, don't use a TC on the 70-210. A good lens with a good TC isn't an adventure. Everything has to be top notch or all bets are off. After all a 1.7x TC magnifies the image 1.7 times. Any weakness in less than top notch lenses will be magnified 1.7 times.

09-27-2018, 10:41 AM	#1960
VoiceOfReason Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Mishawaka IN area Photos: Albums Posts: 6,124	The DA 1.4 TC is awesome and doesn't seem to give any issue with IQ at all, but is not FF compatible. Too bad, I wish it were.

09-27-2018, 10:49 AM	#1961
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by VoiceOfReason The DA 1.4 TC is awesome and doesn't seem to give any issue with IQ at all, but is not FF compatible. Too bad, I wish it were. Ya, it's a disappointment to pay what paid for it and then have Pentax come out with an expensive body that won't use it. Although, if you're cropping a bit, it doesn't cost you anything. K-1 and DA*200 and 1.4 TC, razor sharp even pixel peeping. But in all fairness, I do understand that people who use cheap TCs on less than stellar lenses will probably have issues. If you start with the best lenses available, you won't have issues. TCs are a way to make the most out of lenses that out resolve your sensor by a sizeable margin.