Photokina, Ricoh has Confirmed

reh321 · 09-08-2018, 05:21 AM

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

Ricoh only has a small place at Photokina. The whole Photokina is smaller then previous years. Ricoh uses three stands. One larger and two small stands. So probably one is for binoculair. One for spottingscope. The larger stand for the camera division. It looks like the larger stand is like 100 square meters.

So don't expect to much this year.

I was disappointed by Photokina 2016; I don't know what to expect this year, but several people have hinted that good things are happening this year. Most of the real action usually happens as announcements just before the event, so we can just wait and see if anything happens in the next few weeks - then we head towards CP+ 2019.

**MrNPhoto** · 09-08-2018, 07:24 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

Ricoh only has a small place at Photokina. The whole Photokina is smaller then previous years. Ricoh uses three stands. One larger and two small stands. So probably one is for binoculair. One for spottingscope. The larger stand for the camera division. It looks like the larger stand is like 100 square meters.

So don't expect to much this year.

And Ricoh is absent from the Media preview day schedule:
Media preview day | photokina

I'm thinking Ricoh is going to have samples of the DA* 11-18 for people to try, maybe announce a ship date in 2019. If we're lucky, there might be a 3D printed mockup of the 85 with a gold band but no glass in it.

ogl · 09-08-2018, 07:54 AM

Ricoh Imaging Deutschland GmbH

Exhibitorstand:
Hall 2.2 Stands: A041, A041l, A043l

Who will visit Photokina?

Mike.P® · 09-08-2018, 07:54 AM

Originally posted by reh321

I was disappointed by Photokina 2016; I don't know what to expect this year, but several people have hinted that good things are happening this year.

Didn't several people hint at good things coming in 2016 as well?

Mistral75 · 09-08-2018, 08:58 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by Mike.P®

Didn't several people hint at good things coming in 2016 as well?

There was no announcement from Ricoh Imaging in the framework of Photokina 2016 and only one in H2 2016: that of Theta SC on 12 October.

The latest big Photokina announcement was in 2012 (on 10 September):

HD D FA 645 Macro 90mm f/2.8 ED AW SR
K-5 II / K-5 IIs
DA 18-270mm f/3.5-6.3 ED SDM
HD DA 560mm f/5.6 ED AW
Q10
06 Telephoto Zoom
K-Mount Adapter

KDD · 09-08-2018, 09:05 AM

Hurry hurry hurry!!!!!

biz-engineer · 09-08-2018, 09:09 AM

Originally posted by Mistral75

K-5 II / K-5 IIs

It was about removing the OAA filter.

Originally posted by Mistral75

DA 18-270mm f/3.5-6.3 ED SDM

Made by Tamron

-------------------------------------

2016: no Pentax K1 ?

rawr · 09-08-2018, 09:29 AM

Originally posted by biz-engineer

It was about removing the OAA filter.

More than that - the AF system went from SAFOX IX+ to SAFOX 10, with various improvements to the AF module, including -3EV sensitivity (K-5II) vs -1 EV sensitivity (K-5).

Mike.P® · 09-08-2018, 09:50 AM

Originally posted by Mistral75

There was no announcement from Ricoh Imaging in the framework of Photokina 2016 and only one in H2 2016: that of Theta SC on 12 October.

Ah right, sorry I didn't realise I said specifically Ricoh in my post ... oh hang on ....

biz-engineer · 09-08-2018, 12:47 PM

It's not only Pentax that is slowing down. If we go to DPR website and look at the number of camera models released each year by Canon and Nikon, it is obvious that they have been releasing less and less camera models in the last years, 2018 is well poised to have the least number of newly released camera models.

rawr · 09-08-2018, 01:15 PM - **3 Likes**

Originally posted by biz-engineer

2018 is well poised to have the least number of newly released camera models.

Maybe we have reached 'peak camera'.

mee · 09-08-2018, 01:19 PM

Originally posted by biz-engineer

It's not only Pentax that is slowing down. If we go to DPR website and look at the number of camera models released each year by Canon and Nikon, it is obvious that they have been releasing less and less camera models in the last years, 2018 is well poised to have the least number of newly released camera models.

This is true. However, I think the issue with Ricoh/Pentax is they were already a rather conservative brand. As a result, there can be less tightening on the product lineup than there is for Canon or Nikon. Once you hit 0 you have nothing left. No one is there yet, sky isn't falling, but the point is Ricoh can't slow much more than they are right now.

When you launch a new camera system in early 2016 and have only released a single lens off the roadmap in late 2018, it isn't sending warm fuzzies to potential customers.

That said, I suspect both Canon and Nikon will now slow new EF and F (respectively) launches with the start of their mirrorless ventures. But they already have rather updated lens ecosystems with 3rd party helping, so it isn't as big of an issue there either.

Sadly, Pentax doesn't have that help.. so the system somewhat languishes until Ricoh supports the brand more... or convinces 3rd parties to help fill out the lineup.

reh321 · 09-08-2018, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by biz-engineer

It's not only Pentax that is slowing down. If we go to DPR website and look at the number of camera models released each year by Canon and Nikon, it is obvious that they have been releasing less and less camera models in the last years, 2018 is well poised to have the least number of newly released camera models.

The real point here is that Pentax is close to having zero "flagship APS" cameras available.

sculptor666 · 09-08-2018, 02:12 PM

Originally posted by mee

When you launch a new camera system in early 2016 and have only released a single lens off the roadmap in late 2018, it isn't sending warm fuzzies to potential customers.

sure, pace is slow, but not all lenses are roadmapped. they released 70-200, 150-450, 15-30, 24-70, 28-105... plus there's a bunch that were ff ready.

mee · 09-08-2018, 02:27 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by sculptor666

sure, pace is slow, but not all lenses are roadmapped. they released 70-200, 150-450, 15-30, 24-70, 28-105... plus there's a bunch that were ff ready.

I'm with you but all of those were during or before the K-1 launched. Only the 50 f/1.4 has arrived on store shelves since then in around 2 years time... that's a long drought if you've been eyeballing what is on the roadmap since day one. loonnngggggggg time. Esp considering how they hyped the 50 f/1.4 for so long with 3d printing and under glass replicas. So, if they do the same for what is left on the roadmap, we're in for a long, slow ride.

Obviously, we don't see all that goes on in the company, but something(s) had to have happened internally because they had so much inertia in 2015 and 2016 and then came to a near halt since then. That concerns me.

09-08-2018, 08:58 AM - 2 Likes	#815
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by Mike.P® Didn't several people hint at good things coming in 2016 as well? There was no announcement from Ricoh Imaging in the framework of Photokina 2016 and only one in H2 2016: that of Theta SC on 12 October. The latest big Photokina announcement was in 2012 (on 10 September): HD D FA 645 Macro 90mm f/2.8 ED AW SR K-5 II / K-5 IIs DA 18-270mm f/3.5-6.3 ED SDM HD DA 560mm f/5.6 ED AW Q10 06 Telephoto Zoom K-Mount Adapter

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09-08-2018, 05:21 AM	#811
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,177	Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 Ricoh only has a small place at Photokina. The whole Photokina is smaller then previous years. Ricoh uses three stands. One larger and two small stands. So probably one is for binoculair. One for spottingscope. The larger stand for the camera division. It looks like the larger stand is like 100 square meters. So don't expect to much this year. I was disappointed by Photokina 2016; I don't know what to expect this year, but several people have hinted that good things are happening this year. Most of the real action usually happens as announcements just before the event, so we can just wait and see if anything happens in the next few weeks - then we head towards CP+ 2019.

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MrNPhoto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Boston Photos: Gallery Posts: 276	Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 Ricoh only has a small place at Photokina. The whole Photokina is smaller then previous years. Ricoh uses three stands. One larger and two small stands. So probably one is for binoculair. One for spottingscope. The larger stand for the camera division. It looks like the larger stand is like 100 square meters. So don't expect to much this year. And Ricoh is absent from the Media preview day schedule: Media preview day \| photokina I'm thinking Ricoh is going to have samples of the DA* 11-18 for people to try, maybe announce a ship date in 2019. If we're lucky, there might be a 3D printed mockup of the 85 with a gold band but no glass in it.

09-08-2018, 07:54 AM	#813
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Ricoh Imaging Deutschland GmbH Exhibitorstand: Hall 2.2 Stands: A041, A041l, A043l Who will visit Photokina?

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Mike.P® Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: New Milton, Hampshire, UK Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,154	Originally posted by reh321 I was disappointed by Photokina 2016; I don't know what to expect this year, but several people have hinted that good things are happening this year. Didn't several people hint at good things coming in 2016 as well?

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biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,229	Originally posted by Mistral75 K-5 II / K-5 IIs It was about removing the OAA filter. Originally posted by Mistral75 DA 18-270mm f/3.5-6.3 ED SDM Made by Tamron ------------------------------------- 2016: no Pentax K1 ?

09-08-2018, 09:29 AM	#818
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by biz-engineer It was about removing the OAA filter. More than that - the AF system went from SAFOX IX+ to SAFOX 10, with various improvements to the AF module, including -3EV sensitivity (K-5II) vs -1 EV sensitivity (K-5).

09-08-2018, 09:50 AM	#819
Mike.P® Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: New Milton, Hampshire, UK Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,154	Originally posted by Mistral75 There was no announcement from Ricoh Imaging in the framework of Photokina 2016 and only one in H2 2016: that of Theta SC on 12 October. Ah right, sorry I didn't realise I said specifically Ricoh in my post ... oh hang on ....

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biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,229	It's not only Pentax that is slowing down. If we go to DPR website and look at the number of camera models released each year by Canon and Nikon, it is obvious that they have been releasing less and less camera models in the last years, 2018 is well poised to have the least number of newly released camera models.

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rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by biz-engineer 2018 is well poised to have the least number of newly released camera models. Maybe we have reached 'peak camera'.

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09-08-2018, 01:19 PM	#822
mee Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 7,403	Originally posted by biz-engineer It's not only Pentax that is slowing down. If we go to DPR website and look at the number of camera models released each year by Canon and Nikon, it is obvious that they have been releasing less and less camera models in the last years, 2018 is well poised to have the least number of newly released camera models. This is true. However, I think the issue with Ricoh/Pentax is they were already a rather conservative brand. As a result, there can be less tightening on the product lineup than there is for Canon or Nikon. Once you hit 0 you have nothing left. No one is there yet, sky isn't falling, but the point is Ricoh can't slow much more than they are right now. When you launch a new camera system in early 2016 and have only released a single lens off the roadmap in late 2018, it isn't sending warm fuzzies to potential customers. That said, I suspect both Canon and Nikon will now slow new EF and F (respectively) launches with the start of their mirrorless ventures. But they already have rather updated lens ecosystems with 3rd party helping, so it isn't as big of an issue there either. Sadly, Pentax doesn't have that help.. so the system somewhat languishes until Ricoh supports the brand more... or convinces 3rd parties to help fill out the lineup.

09-08-2018, 02:03 PM	#823
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,177	Originally posted by biz-engineer It's not only Pentax that is slowing down. If we go to DPR website and look at the number of camera models released each year by Canon and Nikon, it is obvious that they have been releasing less and less camera models in the last years, 2018 is well poised to have the least number of newly released camera models. The real point here is that Pentax is close to having zero "flagship APS" cameras available.

09-08-2018, 02:12 PM	#824
sculptor666 Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: PA Photos: Gallery Posts: 675	Originally posted by mee When you launch a new camera system in early 2016 and have only released a single lens off the roadmap in late 2018, it isn't sending warm fuzzies to potential customers. sure, pace is slow, but not all lenses are roadmapped. they released 70-200, 150-450, 15-30, 24-70, 28-105... plus there's a bunch that were ff ready.

09-08-2018, 02:27 PM - 1 Like	#825
mee Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 7,403	Originally posted by sculptor666 sure, pace is slow, but not all lenses are roadmapped. they released 70-200, 150-450, 15-30, 24-70, 28-105... plus there's a bunch that were ff ready. I'm with you but all of those were during or before the K-1 launched. Only the 50 f/1.4 has arrived on store shelves since then in around 2 years time... that's a long drought if you've been eyeballing what is on the roadmap since day one. loonnngggggggg time. Esp considering how they hyped the 50 f/1.4 for so long with 3d printing and under glass replicas. So, if they do the same for what is left on the roadmap, we're in for a long, slow ride. Obviously, we don't see all that goes on in the company, but something(s) had to have happened internally because they had so much inertia in 2015 and 2016 and then came to a near halt since then. That concerns me.