Photokina, Ricoh has Confirmed

ogl · 08-29-2018, 11:46 PM

Originally posted by Pål Jensen

It is more than that. It is Pentax camera division, the engineers, factories, patents and traditions. Under Ricoh, Pentax has been more focused than ever...

Ricoh had photo division too and they simply merged divisions and make restructing. Pentax is just a brand now. All belongs to Ricoh.

Traditions is very dim area after sales of Pentax's photo division to Hoya and then to Ricoh. With dismissal of personnel.

**ffking** · 08-30-2018, 12:45 AM

Originally posted by ogl

Ricoh had photo division too and they simply merged divisions and make restructing. Pentax is just a brand now. All belongs to Ricoh.

That's true. Legally

But the DNA lives on...

zero86r · 08-30-2018, 12:50 AM

Has to be a K3-ii replacement, right?

**beachgardener** · 08-30-2018, 12:51 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Mark Ransom

What makes you think the KP is disappearing?

big sales recently at CRK au, lets see if they get them back in again. I reckon there is new things coming

---------- Post added 30-08-18 at 05:52 PM ----------

Originally posted by stevebrot

Free Danish pastry and coffee as well as a limited supply of mugs and T-shirts for Photokina participants.

nah, I still think the thermos would be good value

---------- Post added 30-08-18 at 05:53 PM ----------

Originally posted by reh321

"KP is disappearing fast".

big sales recently, lets see if they get it back in again

**ffking** · 08-30-2018, 12:56 AM

On the matter of the K-3 line replacement, while I'd expect the announcement to be more likely at CP+ than Photokina, Ricoh must beware of the prolonged development time that (according to them) caused the K-1 to use USBii and a sensor that had poor video capabilities - I know that some of it is about paying less and producing cheaper products but you can't live forever with a reputation for being a generation or so behind the tech in areas people are familiar with. The unique features of Pentax cameras are too easily written off as gimmicks by tse who don't use them, whereas what are perceived by many outside Pentax world as core competencies (AF, video) are given an inflated value. But, for example, there's little point in investing heavily in AF-C if the sensor you're using can't keep up.

Caat · 08-30-2018, 12:58 AM

Originally posted by ffking

That's true. Legally

But the DNA lives on...

That more or less depends on which staff were carried over?

**ffking** · 08-30-2018, 01:08 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by Caat

That more or less depends on which staff were carried over?

Well, no - I don't imagine a little closed community of Pentax pixies literally breeding a new generation in a factory somewhere in Japan (or Vietnam, or the Philippines) - but when I read what they say about their design philosophy on the special site, that's pure Pentax.

Tranzistors · 08-30-2018, 01:17 AM

Originally posted by ogl

Ricoh had photo division too and they simply merged divisions and make restructing. Pentax is just a brand now. All belongs to Ricoh.

I don't think we can judge the existence of Pentax spirit just by the facts alone. Being owned by Ricoh alone doesn't mean much. I work in a division of a company that was bought up some 20 years ago, but the autonomy our division has is very high. We feel more like vassals than an integrated unit.

Even with merger of Ricoh and Pentax divisions, it is unknown if they are truly integrated or which values persisted.

phoebus · 08-30-2018, 01:33 AM

Originally posted by Tranzistors

...Even with merger of Ricoh and Pentax divisions, it is unknown if they are truly integrated or which values persisted.

I've been 'merged' twice while doing the same job. Both times with much larger companies. I still proudly consider myself as representing my first employer, as much as employees from the 2nd and 3rd companies consider me and my co-workers as outsiders from that company...

I suspect that there are ex AOC employees in Ricoh proudly furthering the Pentax brand.

**Cerebum** · 08-30-2018, 01:51 AM

I am still hoping for my Pentax thermos

**beachgardener** · 08-30-2018, 01:55 AM

Originally posted by Cerebum

I am still hoping for my Pentax thermos

absolutely

what is it that exactly that they have confirmed?

taktoon · 08-30-2018, 02:16 AM

If they will make quality thermos I will consider. If they add new DA *16-50/2.8 or brighter I will buy!

**beachgardener** · 08-30-2018, 02:18 AM

Originally posted by taktoon

If they add new DA *16-50/2.8 or brighter I will buy!

yes definitely me too, and a thermos as well

**savoche** · 08-30-2018, 02:22 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Cerebum

I am still hoping for my Pentax thermos

Well, it would be a good thing for the astro guys. An FA250-600/5.6 shape and size thermos should last you all night!

Now, if they release a new GR I might have difficulties resisting it. My current GR is a wonderful camera but there is room for improvement - not a lot of room, but some. Besides, it's the only camera I have that has paid for itself (and then some) so I have an excuse to get an upgrade

**Rondec** · 08-30-2018, 02:28 AM

I just think that people had better not whip themselves up to expecting too much. There are new cameras coming, but I just think this is too soon for their release. The only product I'm hoping to see by the end of the year is the 11-18.

I suppose we could see a consumer, variable aperture zoom for the K-1 too -- 70-300 type lens. That seems like the sort of lens that will drop one of these days with minimal fanfare.

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08-29-2018, 11:46 PM	#226
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by Pål Jensen It is more than that. It is Pentax camera division, the engineers, factories, patents and traditions. Under Ricoh, Pentax has been more focused than ever... Ricoh had photo division too and they simply merged divisions and make restructing. Pentax is just a brand now. All belongs to Ricoh. Traditions is very dim area after sales of Pentax's photo division to Hoya and then to Ricoh. With dismissal of personnel.

08-30-2018, 12:45 AM	#227
ffking Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Old South Wales Posts: 6,038	Originally posted by ogl Ricoh had photo division too and they simply merged divisions and make restructing. Pentax is just a brand now. All belongs to Ricoh. That's true. Legally But the DNA lives on...

08-30-2018, 12:50 AM	#228
zero86r Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Galway, Ireland. Photos: Gallery Posts: 104	Has to be a K3-ii replacement, right?

08-30-2018, 12:51 AM - 1 Like	#229
beachgardener Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,842	Originally posted by Mark Ransom What makes you think the KP is disappearing? big sales recently at CRK au, lets see if they get them back in again. I reckon there is new things coming ---------- Post added 30-08-18 at 05:52 PM ---------- Originally posted by stevebrot Free Danish pastry and coffee as well as a limited supply of mugs and T-shirts for Photokina participants. nah, I still think the thermos would be good value ---------- Post added 30-08-18 at 05:53 PM ---------- Originally posted by reh321 "KP is disappearing fast". big sales recently, lets see if they get it back in again

08-30-2018, 12:56 AM	#230
ffking Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Old South Wales Posts: 6,038	On the matter of the K-3 line replacement, while I'd expect the announcement to be more likely at CP+ than Photokina, Ricoh must beware of the prolonged development time that (according to them) caused the K-1 to use USBii and a sensor that had poor video capabilities - I know that some of it is about paying less and producing cheaper products but you can't live forever with a reputation for being a generation or so behind the tech in areas people are familiar with. The unique features of Pentax cameras are too easily written off as gimmicks by tse who don't use them, whereas what are perceived by many outside Pentax world as core competencies (AF, video) are given an inflated value. But, for example, there's little point in investing heavily in AF-C if the sensor you're using can't keep up.

08-30-2018, 12:58 AM	#231
Caat Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: United Kingdom Photos: Albums Posts: 927	Originally posted by ffking That's true. Legally But the DNA lives on... That more or less depends on which staff were carried over?

08-30-2018, 01:08 AM - 2 Likes	#232
ffking Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Old South Wales Posts: 6,038	Originally posted by Caat That more or less depends on which staff were carried over? Well, no - I don't imagine a little closed community of Pentax pixies literally breeding a new generation in a factory somewhere in Japan (or Vietnam, or the Philippines) - but when I read what they say about their design philosophy on the special site, that's pure Pentax.

08-30-2018, 01:17 AM	#233
Tranzistors Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Latvia Photos: Albums Posts: 112	Originally posted by ogl Ricoh had photo division too and they simply merged divisions and make restructing. Pentax is just a brand now. All belongs to Ricoh. I don't think we can judge the existence of Pentax spirit just by the facts alone. Being owned by Ricoh alone doesn't mean much. I work in a division of a company that was bought up some 20 years ago, but the autonomy our division has is very high. We feel more like vassals than an integrated unit. Even with merger of Ricoh and Pentax divisions, it is unknown if they are truly integrated or which values persisted.

08-30-2018, 01:33 AM	#234
phoebus Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Buckinghamshire (UK) / Morbihan (FR) Photos: Gallery Posts: 470	Originally posted by Tranzistors ...Even with merger of Ricoh and Pentax divisions, it is unknown if they are truly integrated or which values persisted. I've been 'merged' twice while doing the same job. Both times with much larger companies. I still proudly consider myself as representing my first employer, as much as employees from the 2nd and 3rd companies consider me and my co-workers as outsiders from that company... I suspect that there are ex AOC employees in Ricoh proudly furthering the Pentax brand.

08-30-2018, 01:51 AM	#235
Cerebum Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Lancaster Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,828	I am still hoping for my Pentax thermos

08-30-2018, 01:55 AM	#236
beachgardener Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,842	Originally posted by Cerebum I am still hoping for my Pentax thermos absolutely what is it that exactly that they have confirmed?

08-30-2018, 02:16 AM	#237
taktoon Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 605	If they will make quality thermos I will consider. If they add new DA *16-50/2.8 or brighter I will buy!

08-30-2018, 02:18 AM	#238
beachgardener Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,842	Originally posted by taktoon If they add new DA *16-50/2.8 or brighter I will buy! yes definitely me too, and a thermos as well

08-30-2018, 02:22 AM - 1 Like	#239
savoche Master of the obvious Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Lowlands of Norway Posts: 18,311	Originally posted by Cerebum I am still hoping for my Pentax thermos Well, it would be a good thing for the astro guys. An FA250-600/5.6 shape and size thermos should last you all night! Now, if they release a new GR I might have difficulties resisting it. My current GR is a wonderful camera but there is room for improvement - not a lot of room, but some. Besides, it's the only camera I have that has paid for itself (and then some) so I have an excuse to get an upgrade

08-30-2018, 02:28 AM	#240
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,653	I just think that people had better not whip themselves up to expecting too much. There are new cameras coming, but I just think this is too soon for their release. The only product I'm hoping to see by the end of the year is the 11-18. I suppose we could see a consumer, variable aperture zoom for the K-1 too -- 70-300 type lens. That seems like the sort of lens that will drop one of these days with minimal fanfare.