Photokina, Ricoh has Confirmed

serothis · 08-31-2018, 11:57 AM - **1 Like**

As nice as it would be to see a new 645, It's welll out of my price range. And even if it weren't, it's well beyond my skill level. I would feel guily buying it because I know I wouldn't do it justice.

troenaas · 08-31-2018, 12:14 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by serothis

As nice as it would be to see a new 645, It's welll out of my price range. And even if it weren't, it's well beyond my skill level. I would feel guily buying it because I know I wouldn't do it justice.

I recently got a used 645Nii and shoot it 100% manually. Such a great lens to use.

**Cerebum** · 08-31-2018, 12:18 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by beachgardener

that is what bothers me, the price, but isn't Thermos a brand?

Could be a collaboration, like Pentax and Rancillo for the K1 coffee machine

**sbh** · 08-31-2018, 12:31 PM

Originally posted by Rush2112

The evolution of this thread is somewhat mesmerizing

Originally posted by Mark Ransom

That's what happens when there's no real information to talk about. And a post deadline to hit.

Originally posted by troenaas

I feel most confident about the 645.

So then let me throw in a random thought. Is the current 645 mount sufficient to take FF MF lenses and sensors? I guess yes since we can use legacy glass which was 645 FF film, or not?

serothis · 08-31-2018, 12:34 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by sbh

So then let me throw in a random thought. Is the current 645 mount sufficient to take FF MF lenses and sensors? I guess yes since we can use legacy glass which was 645 FF film, or not?

The current 645z uses same mount as the old film bodies. I assume that means it could take a full frame 645 sensor.

Mark Ransom · 08-31-2018, 12:35 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by sbh

So then let me throw in a random thought. Is the current 645 mount sufficient to take FF MF lenses and sensors? I guess yes since we can use legacy glass which was 645 FF film, or not?

Absolutely, the mount was carried over from film days so of course it's sufficient for a full size MF sensor.

Just as the K mount was sufficient for FF even though it was only used for APS-C for many years.

**Mikesul** · 08-31-2018, 12:39 PM

Originally posted by troenaas

They briefly listed partial information about 2 new items. Both had KZ in their SKUs (stock keeping units) numbers. The most expensive was listed at USD 7599 and the SKU number ended with LS. That could be a new body with built in leaf shutter. A body with a leaf shutter would allow almost unlimited flash sync.

Naive question: did anyone contact Adorama to ask what happened with the odd listing?

troenaas · 08-31-2018, 12:40 PM

Originally posted by Mikesul

Naive question: did anyone contact Adorama to ask what happened with the odd listing?

Yes, I did and Adam did. They claimed it was a mistake and removed it

**Mikesul** · 08-31-2018, 12:43 PM

Clearly a mistake but I referred to my question as naive because I don't imagine Adorama would say anymore than that until they are ready. It struck me as the kind of thing that might happen if they have a computerized catalog update system which over reacted to something. Anyway, it would be nice if a new MF camera came at the same time as the new crop sensor camera.

**unkipunki** · 08-31-2018, 12:53 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by serothis

As nice as it would be to see a new 645, It's welll out of my price range. And even if it weren't, it's well beyond my skill level. I would feel guily buying it because I know I wouldn't do it justice.

Not sure 645 is out of anyone's skill level. It makes you slow down a bit in the main, that alone ups skill level and learning opportunity. Yes a bad composition can still occur, but the the technical quality of the shot would probably still remain. It is something of a chimaera, the conceived Gulf between MF and APSC. Yes the better you become techically the better the results are likely to be, but the 645z is a great tool to both express ability and to learn more as you do it.

**lawsonstone** · 08-31-2018, 12:55 PM - **5 Likes**

Yes, life is a sexually transmitted disease that is 100% fatal.

troenaas · 08-31-2018, 12:56 PM

Originally posted by lawsonstone

Yes, life is a sexually transmitted disease that is 100% fatal.

So true.......

**boriscleto** · 08-31-2018, 01:00 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Mikesul

Can you spin without moving? And since we are being pedantic the earth is moving through space at about 30km a second. The Milky Way of which it is apart moving much faster.
Metaphors ....

You Tube

**Mikesul** · 08-31-2018, 01:01 PM

Originally posted by lawsonstone

Yes, life is a sexually transmitted disease that is 100% fatal.

I have no idea why you said that but it is funny as only truth can be!

stevebrot · 08-31-2018, 01:05 PM

Originally posted by Mikesul

Clearly a mistake but I referred to my question as naive because I don't imagine Adorama would say anymore than that until they are ready. It struck me as the kind of thing that might happen if they have a computerized catalog update system which over reacted to something. Anyway, it would be nice if a new MF camera came at the same time as the new crop sensor camera.

The "mistake" listing might have been for anything. The details were for an APS-C body with 50Mpx sensor at less than $1100. Me thinks not.

...now about that coffee mug...

Steve

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08-31-2018, 11:57 AM - 1 Like	#391
serothis Veteran Member Join Date: May 2016 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 538	As nice as it would be to see a new 645, It's welll out of my price range. And even if it weren't, it's well beyond my skill level. I would feel guily buying it because I know I wouldn't do it justice.

08-31-2018, 12:14 PM - 1 Like	#392
troenaas Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 668	Originally posted by serothis As nice as it would be to see a new 645, It's welll out of my price range. And even if it weren't, it's well beyond my skill level. I would feel guily buying it because I know I wouldn't do it justice. I recently got a used 645Nii and shoot it 100% manually. Such a great lens to use.

08-31-2018, 12:18 PM - 1 Like	#393
Cerebum Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Lancaster Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,828	Originally posted by beachgardener that is what bothers me, the price, but isn't Thermos a brand? Could be a collaboration, like Pentax and Rancillo for the K1 coffee machine

08-31-2018, 12:31 PM	#394
sbh Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Black Forest, Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 849	Originally posted by Rush2112 The evolution of this thread is somewhat mesmerizing Originally posted by Mark Ransom That's what happens when there's no real information to talk about. And a post deadline to hit. Originally posted by troenaas I feel most confident about the 645. So then let me throw in a random thought. Is the current 645 mount sufficient to take FF MF lenses and sensors? I guess yes since we can use legacy glass which was 645 FF film, or not?

08-31-2018, 12:34 PM - 1 Like	#395
serothis Veteran Member Join Date: May 2016 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 538	Originally posted by sbh So then let me throw in a random thought. Is the current 645 mount sufficient to take FF MF lenses and sensors? I guess yes since we can use legacy glass which was 645 FF film, or not? The current 645z uses same mount as the old film bodies. I assume that means it could take a full frame 645 sensor.

08-31-2018, 12:35 PM - 1 Like	#396
Mark Ransom Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Minneapolis, MN, USA Photos: Albums Posts: 498	Originally posted by sbh So then let me throw in a random thought. Is the current 645 mount sufficient to take FF MF lenses and sensors? I guess yes since we can use legacy glass which was 645 FF film, or not? Absolutely, the mount was carried over from film days so of course it's sufficient for a full size MF sensor. Just as the K mount was sufficient for FF even though it was only used for APS-C for many years.

08-31-2018, 12:39 PM	#397
Mikesul Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 7,594	Originally posted by troenaas They briefly listed partial information about 2 new items. Both had KZ in their SKUs (stock keeping units) numbers. The most expensive was listed at USD 7599 and the SKU number ended with LS. That could be a new body with built in leaf shutter. A body with a leaf shutter would allow almost unlimited flash sync. Naive question: did anyone contact Adorama to ask what happened with the odd listing?

08-31-2018, 12:40 PM	#398
troenaas Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 668	Originally posted by Mikesul Naive question: did anyone contact Adorama to ask what happened with the odd listing? Yes, I did and Adam did. They claimed it was a mistake and removed it

08-31-2018, 12:43 PM	#399
Mikesul Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 7,594	Clearly a mistake but I referred to my question as naive because I don't imagine Adorama would say anymore than that until they are ready. It struck me as the kind of thing that might happen if they have a computerized catalog update system which over reacted to something. Anyway, it would be nice if a new MF camera came at the same time as the new crop sensor camera.

08-31-2018, 12:53 PM - 1 Like	#400
unkipunki Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: South Lochaweside, Argyll Photos: Gallery Posts: 615	Originally posted by serothis As nice as it would be to see a new 645, It's welll out of my price range. And even if it weren't, it's well beyond my skill level. I would feel guily buying it because I know I wouldn't do it justice. Not sure 645 is out of anyone's skill level. It makes you slow down a bit in the main, that alone ups skill level and learning opportunity. Yes a bad composition can still occur, but the the technical quality of the shot would probably still remain. It is something of a chimaera, the conceived Gulf between MF and APSC. Yes the better you become techically the better the results are likely to be, but the 645z is a great tool to both express ability and to learn more as you do it.

08-31-2018, 12:55 PM - 5 Likes	#401
lawsonstone Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Wilmore, KY Posts: 376	Yes, life is a sexually transmitted disease that is 100% fatal.

08-31-2018, 12:56 PM	#402
troenaas Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 668	Originally posted by lawsonstone Yes, life is a sexually transmitted disease that is 100% fatal. So true.......

08-31-2018, 01:01 PM	#404
Mikesul Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 7,594	Originally posted by lawsonstone Yes, life is a sexually transmitted disease that is 100% fatal. I have no idea why you said that but it is funny as only truth can be!

08-31-2018, 01:05 PM	#405
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by Mikesul Clearly a mistake but I referred to my question as naive because I don't imagine Adorama would say anymore than that until they are ready. It struck me as the kind of thing that might happen if they have a computerized catalog update system which over reacted to something. Anyway, it would be nice if a new MF camera came at the same time as the new crop sensor camera. The "mistake" listing might have been for anything. The details were for an APS-C body with 50Mpx sensor at less than $1100. Me thinks not. ...now about that coffee mug... Steve