Photokina, Ricoh has Confirmed

normhead · 09-11-2018, 09:34 AM - **1 Like**

Pentax, with the release of the DA*11-18 will have the most complete APS-c lens lineup of any manufacturer, I'd totally support the suspension of APS-c lens design. Especially with the extremely fast focusing 55-300 on the market. However, with camera bodies, they need a bit more development.

bladerunner6 · 09-11-2018, 09:49 AM

Originally posted by normhead

Pentax, with the release of the DA*11-18 will have the most complete APS-c lens lineup of any manufacturer, I'd totally support the suspension of APS-c lens design. Especially with the extremely fast focusing 55-300 on the market. However, with camera bodies, they need a bit more development.

I agree that they have a very good APS-C lineup.

And some of the coming FF lenses will benefit APS-C owners.

But I would like a 1xx-500/600 zoom for APS-C that is more consumer grade and affordable than the 150-450.

Heck, something like a consumer grade 300-500 would be cool.

**Pål Jensen** · 09-11-2018, 09:53 AM - **1 Like**

I seriously doubt that the K-1 is due for replacement anytime soon....

BTW long telephoto lenses are equally expensive for Aps as for FF. Makes no sense to make cropped long telephotos.

reh321 · 09-11-2018, 10:00 AM

Originally posted by Pål Jensen

I seriously doubt that the K-1 is due for replacement anytime soon....

but both K-3ii and KP could be replaced ..... I have a hard time suggesting that, but it is the only way I can make sense of Asahiman's words. So the choice I see is to either suggest that or to think he's misinformed.

Mark Ransom · 09-11-2018, 10:02 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by normhead

Pentax, with the release of the DA*11-18 will have the most complete APS-c lens lineup of any manufacturer, I'd totally support the suspension of APS-c lens design. Especially with the extremely fast focusing 55-300 on the market. However, with camera bodies, they need a bit more development.

The best lenses in the lineup still have Sudden Death Motors.

Mark Ransom · 09-11-2018, 10:04 AM

Originally posted by Mistral75

asahi man, our beloved Pythia!

Two classes... Does it mean two different cameras, e.g. an entry level 24x36 camera and a 24x36 flagship (or a camera with a high pixel count an another one with a low pixel count?)? Two different series of lenses, e.g. D FA★ lenses and D FA Limited lenses? Both?

I was assuming lenses, but in his usual cryptic fashion it could mean just about anything.

A super high performance FF camera would be well received.

Chris Mak · 09-11-2018, 10:05 AM

Originally posted by The Squirrel Mafia

K-mount adapters for Pentax new-mount cameras: Pentax SLR Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review
^ Link there. You can read before & after comments too.

Asahiman is usually spot-on at dpreview.

I assume that he is also this time around.
Which means additional barren times ahead for APSC, unless you are quite OK. with the KP (but better not open that can of worms...)
For me, it is a confirmation, that the new top high end Sony APSC e-mount camera (supposedly an APSC version of the stellar A9) is where I am headed.

Chris

reh321 · 09-11-2018, 10:09 AM

Originally posted by Mark Ransom

I was assuming lenses, but in his usual cryptic fashion it could mean just about anything.

He talks about both bodies and lenses

Originally posted by Mark Ransom

A super high performance FF camera would be well received.

Yes, a camera above the K-1 and a K-3 replacement is also a reasonable interpretation.

**Pål Jensen** · 09-11-2018, 10:14 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Chris Mak

Asahiman is usually spot-on at dpreview.

I assume that he is also this time around.
Which means additional barren times ahead for APSC, unless you are quite OK. with the KP (but better not open that can of worms...)
For me, it is a confirmation, that the new top high end Sony APSC e-mount camera (supposedly an APSC version of the stellar A9) is where I am headed.

Chris

If the APS body is due for release within the next six months or so, the development is finished or close to......
Besides, i am pretty sure that Pentax have said that they are working on an APS flagship....

swanlefitte · 09-11-2018, 10:16 AM - **1 Like**

Just scrolled to the asahi man post. 5 pages of mostly quoted and quotes of the quoted and only a few new lines.
Could be zoom and prime, Large and small, consumer and pro. Who knows outside the circle?

The Squirrel Mafia · 09-11-2018, 10:31 AM

Originally posted by Chris Mak

Asahiman is usually spot-on at dpreview.

I assume that he is also this time around.
Which means additional barren times ahead for APSC, unless you are quite OK. with the KP (but better not open that can of worms...)
For me, it is a confirmation, that the new top high end Sony APSC e-mount camera (supposedly an APSC version of the stellar A9) is where I am headed.

Chris

That top end Sony camera looks like it will be pretty good. My only gripe is the lack of fast focusing & really good APS-C lenses from Sony. You'll have to pay dearly for a "G" lens that's meant to go on a FF E-mount camera. It's almost overkill like, but it will perform good.

Chris Mak · 09-11-2018, 10:31 AM

Originally posted by Pål Jensen

If the APS body is due for release within the next six months or so, the development is finished or close to......
Besides, i am pretty sure that Pentax have said that they are working on an APS flagship....

Everything is possible, but not everything is likely...
They allegedly started development on the K3 successor in march 2018, leave the holidays out, and that means about 4 months ago. I don't believe they are anywhere near a new APSC body myself, but again, only time will tell. I guess the discussion on whether Pentax is perfectly fine with the KP as their top APSC camera (which I still believe personally), will pop up now and then over the coming year....

Chris

reh321 · 09-11-2018, 10:33 AM

BTW - it turns out that a few DA lenses are usable on FF
DA lenses on Full Frame: Test Shots thread - Page 35 - PentaxForums.com

Chris Mak · 09-11-2018, 10:38 AM

Originally posted by The Squirrel Mafia

That top end Sony camera looks like it will be pretty good. My only gripe is the lack of fast focusing & really good APS-C lenses from Sony. You'll have to pay dearly for a "G" lens that's meant to go on a FF E-mount camera. It's almost overkill like, but it will perform good.

Sony is working on a 200-600mm lens. And apart from that, the Sigma mc-11 mount adapter has evolved to a point where the Fred Miranda Sony forum's A9 thread is full of stories about how many Canon and some Sigma super telelenses work as native on the A9. The images are very, very convincing. So if the Sony APSC A9-like camera comes out, it will catch many, many birder's and wildlife shooter's eyes with silent shutter, BSI sensor, viewfinder without blackout, immaculate AF and tracking, etc... Sony has been working very hard at mirrorless, and it is paying off.
Tracking is on a whole new level, and AF is dead accurate, even down to f11 on the A9, allowing for 1.4 and 2.0 tc's on f5.6 lenses. I have followed the Sony A9 thread's closely, and it is a monster. The downside is, that it is 24mp FF and very expensive. I am hoping for 24mp APSC and around 2000,-

Chris

**Pål Jensen** · 09-11-2018, 10:40 AM

Originally posted by Chris Mak

Everything is possible, but not everything is likely...
They allegedly started development on the K3 successor in march 2018, leave the holidays out, and that means about 4 months ago. I

Huh? Extremely unlikely.

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09-11-2018, 09:34 AM - 1 Like	#1021
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Pentax, with the release of the DA*11-18 will have the most complete APS-c lens lineup of any manufacturer, I'd totally support the suspension of APS-c lens design. Especially with the extremely fast focusing 55-300 on the market. However, with camera bodies, they need a bit more development.

09-11-2018, 09:49 AM	#1022
bladerunner6 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Photos: Albums Posts: 2,080	Originally posted by normhead Pentax, with the release of the DA*11-18 will have the most complete APS-c lens lineup of any manufacturer, I'd totally support the suspension of APS-c lens design. Especially with the extremely fast focusing 55-300 on the market. However, with camera bodies, they need a bit more development. I agree that they have a very good APS-C lineup. And some of the coming FF lenses will benefit APS-C owners. But I would like a 1xx-500/600 zoom for APS-C that is more consumer grade and affordable than the 150-450. Heck, something like a consumer grade 300-500 would be cool.

09-11-2018, 09:53 AM - 1 Like	#1023
Pål Jensen Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 4,371	I seriously doubt that the K-1 is due for replacement anytime soon.... BTW long telephoto lenses are equally expensive for Aps as for FF. Makes no sense to make cropped long telephotos.

09-11-2018, 10:00 AM	#1024
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,180	Originally posted by Pål Jensen I seriously doubt that the K-1 is due for replacement anytime soon.... but both K-3ii and KP could be replaced ..... I have a hard time suggesting that, but it is the only way I can make sense of Asahiman's words. So the choice I see is to either suggest that or to think he's misinformed.

09-11-2018, 10:02 AM - 1 Like	#1025
Mark Ransom Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Minneapolis, MN, USA Photos: Albums Posts: 498	Originally posted by normhead Pentax, with the release of the DA*11-18 will have the most complete APS-c lens lineup of any manufacturer, I'd totally support the suspension of APS-c lens design. Especially with the extremely fast focusing 55-300 on the market. However, with camera bodies, they need a bit more development. The best lenses in the lineup still have Sudden Death Motors.

09-11-2018, 10:04 AM	#1026
Mark Ransom Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Minneapolis, MN, USA Photos: Albums Posts: 498	Originally posted by Mistral75 *asahi man*, our beloved Pythia! Two classes... Does it mean two different cameras, e.g. an entry level 24x36 camera and a 24x36 flagship (or a camera with a high pixel count an another one with a low pixel count?)? Two different series of lenses, e.g. D FA★ lenses and D FA Limited lenses? Both? I was assuming lenses, but in his usual cryptic fashion it could mean just about anything. A super high performance FF camera would be well received.

09-11-2018, 10:05 AM	#1027
Chris Mak Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2013 Photos: Albums Posts: 639	Originally posted by The Squirrel Mafia K-mount adapters for Pentax new-mount cameras: Pentax SLR Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review ^ Link there. You can read before & after comments too. Asahiman is usually spot-on at dpreview. I assume that he is also this time around. Which means additional barren times ahead for APSC, unless you are quite OK. with the KP (but better not open that can of worms...) For me, it is a confirmation, that the new top high end Sony APSC e-mount camera (supposedly an APSC version of the stellar A9) is where I am headed. Chris

09-11-2018, 10:09 AM	#1028
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,180	Originally posted by Mark Ransom I was assuming lenses, but in his usual cryptic fashion it could mean just about anything. He talks about both bodies and lenses Originally posted by Mark Ransom A super high performance FF camera would be well received. Yes, a camera above the K-1 and a K-3 replacement is also a reasonable interpretation.

09-11-2018, 10:14 AM - 1 Like	#1029
Pål Jensen Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 4,371	Originally posted by Chris Mak Asahiman is usually spot-on at dpreview. I assume that he is also this time around. Which means additional barren times ahead for APSC, unless you are quite OK. with the KP (but better not open that can of worms...) For me, it is a confirmation, that the new top high end Sony APSC e-mount camera (supposedly an APSC version of the stellar A9) is where I am headed. Chris If the APS body is due for release within the next six months or so, the development is finished or close to...... Besides, i am pretty sure that Pentax have said that they are working on an APS flagship....

09-11-2018, 10:16 AM - 1 Like	#1030
swanlefitte Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Location: Minneapolis Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,068	Just scrolled to the asahi man post. 5 pages of mostly quoted and quotes of the quoted and only a few new lines. Could be zoom and prime, Large and small, consumer and pro. Who knows outside the circle?

09-11-2018, 10:31 AM	#1031
The Squirrel Mafia Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 3,054	Originally posted by Chris Mak Asahiman is usually spot-on at dpreview. I assume that he is also this time around. Which means additional barren times ahead for APSC, unless you are quite OK. with the KP (but better not open that can of worms...) For me, it is a confirmation, that the new top high end Sony APSC e-mount camera (supposedly an APSC version of the stellar A9) is where I am headed. Chris That top end Sony camera looks like it will be pretty good. My only gripe is the lack of fast focusing & really good APS-C lenses from Sony. You'll have to pay dearly for a "G" lens that's meant to go on a FF E-mount camera. It's almost overkill like, but it will perform good.

09-11-2018, 10:31 AM	#1032
Chris Mak Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2013 Photos: Albums Posts: 639	Originally posted by Pål Jensen If the APS body is due for release within the next six months or so, the development is finished or close to...... Besides, i am pretty sure that Pentax have said that they are working on an APS flagship.... Everything is possible, but not everything is likely... They allegedly started development on the K3 successor in march 2018, leave the holidays out, and that means about 4 months ago. I don't believe they are anywhere near a new APSC body myself, but again, only time will tell. I guess the discussion on whether Pentax is perfectly fine with the KP as their top APSC camera (which I still believe personally), will pop up now and then over the coming year.... Chris

09-11-2018, 10:33 AM	#1033
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,180	BTW - it turns out that a few DA lenses are usable on FF DA lenses on Full Frame: Test Shots thread - Page 35 - PentaxForums.com

09-11-2018, 10:38 AM	#1034
Chris Mak Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2013 Photos: Albums Posts: 639	Originally posted by The Squirrel Mafia That top end Sony camera looks like it will be pretty good. My only gripe is the lack of fast focusing & really good APS-C lenses from Sony. You'll have to pay dearly for a "G" lens that's meant to go on a FF E-mount camera. It's almost overkill like, but it will perform good. Sony is working on a 200-600mm lens. And apart from that, the Sigma mc-11 mount adapter has evolved to a point where the Fred Miranda Sony forum's A9 thread is full of stories about how many Canon and some Sigma super telelenses work as native on the A9. The images are very, very convincing. So if the Sony APSC A9-like camera comes out, it will catch many, many birder's and wildlife shooter's eyes with silent shutter, BSI sensor, viewfinder without blackout, immaculate AF and tracking, etc... Sony has been working very hard at mirrorless, and it is paying off. Tracking is on a whole new level, and AF is dead accurate, even down to f11 on the A9, allowing for 1.4 and 2.0 tc's on f5.6 lenses. I have followed the Sony A9 thread's closely, and it is a monster. The downside is, that it is 24mp FF and very expensive. I am hoping for 24mp APSC and around 2000,- Chris

09-11-2018, 10:40 AM	#1035
Pål Jensen Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 4,371	Originally posted by Chris Mak Everything is possible, but not everything is likely... They allegedly started development on the K3 successor in march 2018, leave the holidays out, and that means about 4 months ago. I Huh? Extremely unlikely.