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kenspo · 11-02-2018, 04:42 AM - **5 Likes**

If I could combine Mark IV with K-1 quality in files, it would be close to perfect!

I had to take a loss in high ISO and DR to have it easier totally. So it wasn't an easy choice. And I will always speak warm about Pentax and of course all the good people with one

D1N0 · 11-02-2018, 05:03 AM

Well the Nikon D850

kenspo · 11-02-2018, 05:19 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by D1N0

Well the Nikon D850

On stills, yes..On video? Big no!

No working AF on 4K..No stabilization..No peaking etc....

reh321 · 11-02-2018, 08:18 AM

Originally posted by kenspo

Dont know if anyone is interested, but here's a little "feedback".

My new life with Canon, is making my days easier. Faster AF, no buffer issues, don't have to use separate camera for video, third party gear world is MUCH bigger + + +

BUT, when it comes to quality of the files out of camera, Pentax is a BIG step ahead of the rest. Thats something Pentax can and should be proud of. If AF and buffer etc become a bit better in the future (yes, Pentax has a future), there is nothing stopping them from competing with the big boys in the pro world

Thank you for this response.

btw: Are you comparing a FF Canon to K-1?

deus ursus · 11-02-2018, 12:35 PM

He's using an EOS 5D, I believe.

SSGGeezer · 11-02-2018, 07:19 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by reh321

Thank you for this response.

btw: Are you comparing a FF Canon to K-1?

Based on the last comment, Yes he is.

Winder · 11-03-2018, 07:30 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by kenspo

Dont know if anyone is interested, but here's a little "feedback".

My new life with Canon, is making my days easier. Faster AF, no buffer issues, don't have to use separate camera for video, third party gear world is MUCH bigger + + +

BUT, when it comes to quality of the files out of camera, Pentax is a BIG step ahead of the rest. Thats something Pentax can and should be proud of. If AF and buffer etc become a bit better in the future (yes, Pentax has a future), there is nothing stopping them from competing with the big boys in the pro world

The problems with the AF and buffer have been beaten to death. The question is why have they not addressed these issues. PDAF is pretty ancient technology relatively speaking. Why do they lag behind even mirrorless systems at this point. A bigger buffer would not be that expensive. USB-C and better tethering should be standard on a flagship model.

In your opinion, why does Ricoh lag behind the rest of the industry on key technologies?

normhead · 11-03-2018, 07:33 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Winder

The problems with the AF and buffer have been beaten to death. The question is why have they not addressed these issues. PDAF is pretty ancient technology relatively speaking. Why do they lag behind even mirrorless systems at this point. A bigger buffer would not be that expensive. USB-C and better tethering should be standard on a flagship model.

In your opinion, why does Ricoh lag behind the rest of the industry on key technologies?

Pentax doesn't develop their own chips, they wait until hardware becomes available and then try and catch up. It's a recipe for always being 5 years behind.

Pentax is committed to the no frills basic imaging system, field cameras". Why they do that would probably a matter of cost. Not enough bodies sold for custom chip development.

biz-engineer · 11-03-2018, 08:55 AM

Originally posted by Winder

The problems with the AF and buffer have been beaten to death. The question is why have they not addressed these issues.

Pentax don't need to address those issues, Sony A9 does the 20 frames per second and AF tracking very well for landscapes and family portraits.

reh321 · 11-03-2018, 09:05 AM

Originally posted by Winder

The problems with the AF and buffer have been beaten to death. The question is why have they not addressed these issues.

Kenspo's comment was rather general about the "buffer issues". The Canon 5Div is 7 fps, while the K-1 is just 4.4 fps; that difference - like the 4K issue - most likely is a processor issue rather than something that could be fixed by inserting different buffer hardware. I don't know what processors {and at what cost} are available to them.

swanlefitte · 11-03-2018, 10:57 AM

Isn't the buffer more about how long you can keep snapping before the camera stops? If I can go 7fps for 20 seconds vs 5 fps for 15 seconds I get the chance at 65 more frames.

Kunzite · 11-03-2018, 11:15 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by reh321

Kenspo's comment was rather general about the "buffer issues". The Canon 5Div is 7 fps, while the K-1 is just 4.4 fps; that difference - like the 4K issue - most likely is a processor issue rather than something that could be fixed by inserting different buffer hardware. I don't know what processors {and at what cost} are available to them.

I'd say the fps is limited by the sensor and processor (we know the accelerator had a minor impact on the K-1 II's crop mode FPS), and the buffer is also limited by the processor (cannot use more than 1.5GB RAM with that Milbeaut - but I think Pentax is using a dual channel 1GB configuration). And the same Milbeaut integrates the USB and SD card controllers...
Indeed, there is no "they could just fix it"; a new generation of cameras is needed. Hopefully they're working on that.

RonHendriks1966 · 11-03-2018, 12:48 PM

Originally posted by Kunzite

Hopefully they're working on that.

And then some say that I would be pessimistic.......

D1N0 · 11-04-2018, 04:30 AM

They are working on new cameras. Asahi man has already confirmed as much. I think they are full frame, but Kunzite doesn't believe anything until Ricoh says so.

Kunzite · 11-04-2018, 04:55 AM

If I said "I believe they're working on it" you'd also have a snarky comment.

11-03-2018, 11:15 AM - 1 Like	#222
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by reh321 Kenspo's comment was rather general about the "buffer issues". The Canon 5Div is 7 fps, while the K-1 is just 4.4 fps; that difference - like the 4K issue - most likely is a processor issue rather than something that could be fixed by inserting different buffer hardware. I don't know what processors {and at what cost} are available to them. I'd say the fps is limited by the sensor and processor (we know the accelerator had a minor impact on the K-1 II's crop mode FPS), and the buffer is also limited by the processor (cannot use more than 1.5GB RAM with that Milbeaut - but I think Pentax is using a dual channel 1GB configuration). And the same Milbeaut integrates the USB and SD card controllers... Indeed, there is no "they could just fix it"; a new generation of cameras is needed. Hopefully they're working on that. Last edited by Kunzite; 11-03-2018 at 11:21 AM.

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11-02-2018, 04:42 AM - 5 Likes	#211
kenspo Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Oslo Posts: 2,207	If I could combine Mark IV with K-1 quality in files, it would be close to perfect! I had to take a loss in high ISO and DR to have it easier totally. So it wasn't an easy choice. And I will always speak warm about Pentax and of course all the good people with one

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D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	Well the Nikon D850

11-02-2018, 05:19 AM - 1 Like	#213
kenspo Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Oslo Posts: 2,207	Originally posted by D1N0 Well the Nikon D850 On stills, yes..On video? Big no! No working AF on 4K..No stabilization..No peaking etc....

11-02-2018, 08:18 AM	#214
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,185	Originally posted by kenspo Dont know if anyone is interested, but here's a little "feedback". My new life with Canon, is making my days easier. Faster AF, no buffer issues, don't have to use separate camera for video, third party gear world is MUCH bigger + + + BUT, when it comes to quality of the files out of camera, Pentax is a BIG step ahead of the rest. Thats something Pentax can and should be proud of. If AF and buffer etc become a bit better in the future (yes, Pentax has a future), there is nothing stopping them from competing with the big boys in the pro world Thank you for this response. btw: Are you comparing a FF Canon to K-1?

11-02-2018, 12:35 PM	#215
deus ursus Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Stårheim, Norway Posts: 659	He's using an EOS 5D, I believe.

11-02-2018, 07:19 PM - 1 Like	#216
SSGGeezer Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Indiana, U.S. Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,845	Originally posted by reh321 Thank you for this response. btw: Are you comparing a FF Canon to K-1? Based on the last comment, Yes he is.

11-03-2018, 07:30 AM - 1 Like	#217
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617	Originally posted by kenspo Dont know if anyone is interested, but here's a little "feedback". My new life with Canon, is making my days easier. Faster AF, no buffer issues, don't have to use separate camera for video, third party gear world is MUCH bigger + + + BUT, when it comes to quality of the files out of camera, Pentax is a BIG step ahead of the rest. Thats something Pentax can and should be proud of. If AF and buffer etc become a bit better in the future (yes, Pentax has a future), there is nothing stopping them from competing with the big boys in the pro world The problems with the AF and buffer have been beaten to death. The question is why have they not addressed these issues. PDAF is pretty ancient technology relatively speaking. Why do they lag behind even mirrorless systems at this point. A bigger buffer would not be that expensive. USB-C and better tethering should be standard on a flagship model. In your opinion, why does Ricoh lag behind the rest of the industry on key technologies?

11-03-2018, 07:33 AM - 1 Like	#218
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by Winder The problems with the AF and buffer have been beaten to death. The question is why have they not addressed these issues. PDAF is pretty ancient technology relatively speaking. Why do they lag behind even mirrorless systems at this point. A bigger buffer would not be that expensive. USB-C and better tethering should be standard on a flagship model. In your opinion, why does Ricoh lag behind the rest of the industry on key technologies? Pentax doesn't develop their own chips, they wait until hardware becomes available and then try and catch up. It's a recipe for always being 5 years behind. Pentax is committed to the no frills basic imaging system, field cameras". Why they do that would probably a matter of cost. Not enough bodies sold for custom chip development.

11-03-2018, 08:55 AM	#219
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,249	Originally posted by Winder The problems with the AF and buffer have been beaten to death. The question is why have they not addressed these issues. Pentax don't need to address those issues, Sony A9 does the 20 frames per second and AF tracking very well for landscapes and family portraits.

11-03-2018, 09:05 AM	#220
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,185	Originally posted by Winder The problems with the AF and buffer have been beaten to death. The question is why have they not addressed these issues. Kenspo's comment was rather general about the "buffer issues". The Canon 5Div is 7 fps, while the K-1 is just 4.4 fps; that difference - like the 4K issue - most likely is a processor issue rather than something that could be fixed by inserting different buffer hardware. I don't know what processors {and at what cost} are available to them.

11-03-2018, 10:57 AM	#221
swanlefitte Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Location: Minneapolis Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,068	Isn't the buffer more about how long you can keep snapping before the camera stops? If I can go 7fps for 20 seconds vs 5 fps for 15 seconds I get the chance at 65 more frames.

11-03-2018, 12:48 PM	#223
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by Kunzite Hopefully they're working on that. And then some say that I would be pessimistic.......

11-04-2018, 04:30 AM	#224
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	They are working on new cameras. Asahi man has already confirmed as much. I think they are full frame, but Kunzite doesn't believe anything until Ricoh says so.

11-04-2018, 04:55 AM	#225
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	If I said "I believe they're working on it" you'd also have a snarky comment.

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