Pentax products at Photokina - disappointment or admiration?

ogl · 09-22-2008, 01:54 AM

The new lenses roadmap is a big dissapointment.
To go to menu to switch on SR is simply silly...

thibs · 09-22-2008, 02:15 AM

Originally posted by ogl

See page 68 of manual of K200d.

There are also statistics of users that SR can cause blur in normal condition.

The onlything said is thatyou should disable itifyou don't use it.
Care the find any valuable argument ?

kalpaha · 09-22-2008, 02:25 AM

Originally posted by ogl

To go to menu to switch on SR is simply silly...

I'd love that on my K10D. It happens far too often that I toggle the SR off by accident.

Kalle

ogl · 09-22-2008, 02:27 AM

How can you think - WHY?
Explain

If SR can't cause any problem, why you should disable it?

Check the problem of working SR in normal condition thru pentax's forums and you will know a lot of interesting things...

ftpaddict · 09-22-2008, 02:39 AM

Originally posted by ogl

To go to menu to switch on SR is simply silly...

I leave mine on at all times; except when I use a tripod. And since tripod photography is about 7% of my overall shooting; it's hardly inconvenient.

thibs · 09-22-2008, 02:47 AM

Originally posted by ogl

How can you think - WHY?
Explain

If SR can't cause any problem, why you should disable it?

Check the problem of working SR in normal condition thru pentax's forums and you will know a lot of interesting things...

Well, provide the link since YOU claim it !

ogl · 09-22-2008, 02:51 AM

Pentax K-m Hands-on Preview: 7. Displays: Digital Photography Review
No problems with switch on/off SR - direct access to menu - like in E-1 and other Olympus cameras.
I'm relax.^)

Last edited by ogl; 09-22-2008 at 02:56 AM.

**Mallee Boy** · 09-22-2008, 03:28 AM

Originally posted by Edvinas

Dissapointment.

I was interested in DA* 60-250mm f/4. But not for this price.
Ringflash - I don't need it.
DA* 55mm - very expensive and I don't need it, I already have FA 43mm and 77mm.
DA 15mm Ltd... That may be interesting. I'm very afraid that price will be very high... It's a recent Pentax trend to overprice it's products.
K-m. I don't need it.

And worst thing is that I can't see that any of the announced products will be sold in high volumes. Many say that K-m is a great camera for people coming from P&S and millions will be sold... I don't think so.

Two things: AA batteries and no LiveView. People coming from P&S want LiveView and LiIon batteries. They won't care about features like Wireless flash, Mirror lockup etc. K-m doesn't look for me like camera for masses. It looks more like travel camera (together with pancake primes) for existing Pentax users...

Hi Edvinas,
Gotta disagree with you on the AA's.....I think the opposite may apply. I love AA's, I may have the opportunity to visit some very isolated places overseas in the next year or so ...it will be the K200D that will go with me, and few packs of lithiums.
Cheers.

cpopham · 09-22-2008, 03:31 AM

Originally posted by ogl

Check the problem of working SR in normal condition thru pentax's forums and you will know a lot of interesting things...

All I can find is people explaining why it should be off on a tripod, or when panning WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT THE MANUAL SAYS.

I'm not going to continue arguing this with you, you seem to have made up your mind already.

**Douglas_of_Sweden** · 09-22-2008, 04:18 AM

Originally posted by cpopham

All I can find is people explaining why it should be off on a tripod, or when panning WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT THE MANUAL SAYS.

I'm not going to continue arguing this with you, you seem to have made up your mind already.

Actually now ogl says he is relaxed about this.

Me I'm relaxed all the time, but not so relaxed that I turn of the SR.

Been wondering which turns out best, with or without, when shooting from a car, boat or similar, but that's exactly when Pentax doesn't guaranty that it will improve anything ("...and conditions where camera shake other than by hand is expected.")
Other than that, SR works in a fantastic way. So I don't think that the intended buyers of the K-m, new DSLR users, will be turning of that SR very much.
Ogl, Pentax didn't make this camera for you or me. If we still buy it because we want a small camera, we have to live with these compromises.

**Buffy** · 09-22-2008, 04:34 AM

Quote:

And worst thing is that I can't see that any of the announced products will be sold in high volumes

In some cases high volumes aren't necessarily the goal, although I doubt anyone at Pentax would be upset by huge sales. With these two new lenses, Pentax can finally showcase a fairly complete lineup of lenses, both zooms and primes. I think that's a very big deal. Even if a new user doesn't buy them all, the fact that these lenses exist is an inducement in and of itself; it says Pentax is a major player.

Quote:

Two things: AA batteries and no LiveView. People coming from P&S want LiveView and LiIon batteries.

Not necessarily! The AA batteries were a big selling point for me when I bought my first DSLR. (I used 2000mA NiMH batteries and they lasted over 1,000 shots easily.) The lack of LiveView wasn't ever a factor. My feeling at the time was "Wow, I finally have a real camera!"

bentax · 09-22-2008, 04:47 AM

Wow. The "shooting mode information display" menu seems really straight forward and quick to make changes. The next best thing to a direct body button. Like really quick. Wow. Damn that really caught me by suprise.

feronovak · 09-22-2008, 05:18 AM

Originally posted by ogl

The new lenses roadmap is a big dissapointment.
To go to menu to switch on SR is simply silly...

Dont mean to be rude but somehow I have got this feeling you turn into RiceHigh brother

bnishanth · 09-22-2008, 05:21 AM

Originally posted by feronovak

Dont mean to be rude but somehow I have got this feeling you turn into RiceHigh brother

You are not alone there mate...

Cheers
Nish

Vincent60 · 09-22-2008, 06:07 AM

Admiration for the new lenses but great disappointment about cameras. I was looking for a new APS - FF

or a K20 upgrade.

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09-22-2008, 01:54 AM	#46
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382 Original Poster	The new lenses roadmap is a big dissapointment. To go to menu to switch on SR is simply silly...

09-22-2008, 02:15 AM	#47
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by ogl See page 68 of manual of K200d. There are also statistics of users that SR can cause blur in normal condition. The onlything said is thatyou should disable itifyou don't use it. Care the find any valuable argument ?

09-22-2008, 02:25 AM	#48
kalpaha New Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Finland Posts: 10	Originally posted by ogl To go to menu to switch on SR is simply silly... I'd love that on my K10D. It happens far too often that I toggle the SR off by accident. Kalle

09-22-2008, 02:27 AM	#49
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382 Original Poster	How can you think - WHY? Explain If SR can't cause any problem, why you should disable it? Check the problem of working SR in normal condition thru pentax's forums and you will know a lot of interesting things...

09-22-2008, 02:39 AM	#50
ftpaddict Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Yurp Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,666	Originally posted by ogl To go to menu to switch on SR is simply silly... I leave mine on at all times; except when I use a tripod. And since tripod photography is about 7% of my overall shooting; it's hardly inconvenient.

09-22-2008, 02:47 AM	#51
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by ogl How can you think - WHY? Explain If SR can't cause any problem, why you should disable it? Check the problem of working SR in normal condition thru pentax's forums and you will know a lot of interesting things... Well, provide the link since YOU claim it !

09-22-2008, 02:51 AM	#52
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382 Original Poster	Pentax K-m Hands-on Preview: 7. Displays: Digital Photography Review No problems with switch on/off SR - direct access to menu - like in E-1 and other Olympus cameras. I'm relax.^) Last edited by ogl; 09-22-2008 at 02:56 AM.

09-22-2008, 03:28 AM	#53
Mallee Boy Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: South Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,904	Originally posted by Edvinas Dissapointment. I was interested in DA* 60-250mm f/4. But not for this price. Ringflash - I don't need it. DA* 55mm - very expensive and I don't need it, I already have FA 43mm and 77mm. DA 15mm Ltd... That may be interesting. I'm very afraid that price will be very high... It's a recent Pentax trend to overprice it's products. K-m. I don't need it. And worst thing is that I can't see that any of the announced products will be sold in high volumes. Many say that K-m is a great camera for people coming from P&S and millions will be sold... I don't think so. Two things: AA batteries and no LiveView. People coming from P&S want LiveView and LiIon batteries. They won't care about features like Wireless flash, Mirror lockup etc. K-m doesn't look for me like camera for masses. It looks more like travel camera (together with pancake primes) for existing Pentax users... Hi Edvinas, Gotta disagree with you on the AA's.....I think the opposite may apply. I love AA's, I may have the opportunity to visit some very isolated places overseas in the next year or so ...it will be the K200D that will go with me, and few packs of lithiums. Cheers.

09-22-2008, 03:31 AM	#54
cpopham Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Auckland Posts: 553	Originally posted by ogl Check the problem of working SR in normal condition thru pentax's forums and you will know a lot of interesting things... All I can find is people explaining why it should be off on a tripod, or when panning WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT THE MANUAL SAYS. I'm not going to continue arguing this with you, you seem to have made up your mind already.

09-22-2008, 04:18 AM	#55
Douglas_of_Sweden Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Stockholm Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,374	Originally posted by cpopham All I can find is people explaining why it should be off on a tripod, or when panning WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT THE MANUAL SAYS. I'm not going to continue arguing this with you, you seem to have made up your mind already. Actually now ogl says he is relaxed about this. Me I'm relaxed all the time, but not so relaxed that I turn of the SR. Been wondering which turns out best, with or without, when shooting from a car, boat or similar, but that's exactly when Pentax doesn't guaranty that it will improve anything ("...and conditions where camera shake other than by hand is expected.") Other than that, SR works in a fantastic way. So I don't think that the intended buyers of the K-m, new DSLR users, will be turning of that SR very much. Ogl, Pentax didn't make this camera for you or me. If we still buy it because we want a small camera, we have to live with these compromises.

09-22-2008, 04:34 AM	#56
Buffy Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Greater Boston area, Massachusetts Posts: 389	Quote: And worst thing is that I can't see that any of the announced products will be sold in high volumes In some cases high volumes aren't necessarily the goal, although I doubt anyone at Pentax would be upset by huge sales. With these two new lenses, Pentax can finally showcase a fairly complete lineup of lenses, both zooms and primes. I think that's a very big deal. Even if a new user doesn't buy them all, the fact that these lenses exist is an inducement in and of itself; it says Pentax is a major player. Quote: Two things: AA batteries and no LiveView. People coming from P&S want LiveView and LiIon batteries. Not necessarily! The AA batteries were a big selling point for me when I bought my first DSLR. (I used 2000mA NiMH batteries and they lasted over 1,000 shots easily.) The lack of LiveView wasn't ever a factor. My feeling at the time was "Wow, I finally have a real camera!"

09-22-2008, 04:47 AM	#57
bentax Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: West Australia Posts: 190	Wow. The "shooting mode information display" menu seems really straight forward and quick to make changes. The next best thing to a direct body button. Like really quick. Wow. Damn that really caught me by suprise.

09-22-2008, 05:18 AM	#58
feronovak Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: London, UK Photos: Gallery Posts: 123	Originally posted by ogl The new lenses roadmap is a big dissapointment. To go to menu to switch on SR is simply silly... Dont mean to be rude but somehow I have got this feeling you turn into RiceHigh brother

09-22-2008, 05:21 AM	#59
bnishanth Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Sydney Photos: Gallery Posts: 223	Originally posted by feronovak Dont mean to be rude but somehow I have got this feeling you turn into RiceHigh brother You are not alone there mate... Cheers Nish

09-22-2008, 06:07 AM	#60
Vincent60 Inactive Account Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: North West Italy Posts: 7	Admiration for the new lenses but great disappointment about cameras. I was looking for a new APS - FF or a K20 upgrade.