Wild rumour: Samsung to provide APS-C sensors to Ricoh Imaging (and Fujifilm)

surfar · 09-16-2018, 12:47 PM

Originally posted by ffking

i'd like to see Pentax use their sensors - especially if they could get some sort of mutual benefit relationship going

Yes, expect the iPentax soon!

Reed · 09-16-2018, 01:14 PM

They could learn a thing o two about mobile apps from Samsung;] ImageSync still works like open beta version;]

Picture Imperfect · 09-16-2018, 01:16 PM

Assuming all of this is true, any guesses as to the pixel size? 30 mp strikes me as being to close to the K-1 and I would think Ricoh would not want to cannibalize K-1 sales to the K-3 successor because of this. But considering that the 24 mp sensor size has been around for 5 years now and in all the APS-C cameras, I think Ricoh needs to bump the size up to at least 26 mp if not 28 mp. Then again, if a K-1 successor goes with a 42-45 mp sensor then a 30 mp one would slot in quite nicely below that.

I've been thinking of upgrading from my now 7 and a half year old K-5 and was very interested in the K-3 successor. But the more I think about this the more I'd like to see the successor to the KP. Hmmmm, I may not be upgrading for another couple of years......

Canid · 09-16-2018, 01:17 PM

This is some promising news. I doubt there will be anything stemming from it at photokina though - it is too soon, and they've obviously been building up hype for a new GR. I would be very surprised if it was something else.

**reh321** · 09-16-2018, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by Picture Imperfect

Assuming all of this is true, any guesses as to the pixel size? 30 mp strikes me as being to close to the K-1 and I would think Ricoh would not want to cannibalize K-1 sales to the K-3 successor because of this. But considering that the 24 mp sensor size has been around for 5 years now and in all the APS-C cameras, I think Ricoh needs to bump the size up to at least 26 mp if not 28 mp. Then again, if a K-1 successor goes with a 42-45 mp sensor then a 30 mp one would slot in quite nicely below that.

At some point Dynamic Range, Color Depth, and noise issues arise as the sensor sites become crowded on the sensor. I don't know how use of something like the 'accelerator' might factor into all of this. Experimenting with various settings might help to explain why developing K-3 replacement has seemed to "drag".

swanlefitte · 09-16-2018, 01:30 PM

I don't see a 28mp apsc interfering with a 36mp ff because pixel size is 3.6 to 4.9 difference. That's 25% larger.

**UncleVanya** · 09-16-2018, 01:56 PM - **1 Like**

Even 24mp APSC already has smaller receptor sites than 36mp ff, quality of pixels matters too. I don't think most people in the market for ff will be happy with APSC - they seem two different animals.

dafbp · 09-16-2018, 03:37 PM

Originally posted by UncleVanya

Even 24mp APSC already has smaller receptor sites than 36mp ff, quality of pixels matters too. I don't think most people in the market for ff will be happy with APSC - they seem two different animals.

(Picking up from yours) I don't think most people in the market today for APS would be happy with 30MP if it meant worse DR/noise than K3.
I thought megapixel wars were over...

**reh321** · 09-16-2018, 03:42 PM

Originally posted by dafbp

(Picking up from yours) I don't think most people in the market today for APS would be happy with 30MP if it meant worse DR/noise than K3.
I thought megapixel wars were over...

But what if they could get 28mp with NX500 performance??
Pentax K-3 II vs Samsung NX500

surfar · 09-16-2018, 03:45 PM

Originally posted by reh321

But what if they could get 28mp with NX500 performance??

With a Viewfinder?...The performace is great,or has been for last 4 years.

**reh321** · 09-16-2018, 03:52 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by reh321

But what if they could get 28mp with NX500 performance??
Pentax K-3 II vs Samsung NX500

Originally posted by surfar

With a Viewfinder?...The performace is great,or has been for last 4 years.

That sensor, or an improved variant, in a Pentax camera, with all that implies.

fsge · 09-16-2018, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by ogl

Samsung NX2 - is it real? - PentaxForums.com

here is specs of NX-2 sensor (rumors of course)

30.1 MP sensor (6720*4480)

4K 120fps h.265
– Full sensor (6720*4480) @ 30fps
– 5376*3024 @ 60fps
– 3840*2160 @ 120fps
– 2688*1512 @ 240fps
– 1920*1080 @ 480fps

15fps/30fps with electronic shutter.

Impressive specs, such a sensor would require complete change of electronics and processing

**reh321** · 09-16-2018, 04:00 PM

Originally posted by fsge

Impressive specs, such a sensor would require complete change of electronics and processing

The rumor includes the processor also
Wild rumour: Samsung to provide APS-C sensors to Ricoh Imaging (and Fujifilm) - Page 2 - PentaxForums.com
which could legitimately explain why the K-3 followup has taken so long and stocks have sagged so much - this sort of thing always takes longer than anyone would reasonably forecast.

surfar · 09-16-2018, 04:04 PM

Originally posted by reh321

this sort of thing always takes longer

For Ricoh

Originally posted by reh321

than anyone would reasonably forecast.

H.Abendsen · 09-16-2018, 04:07 PM

Originally posted by fsge

Impressive specs, such a sensor would require complete change of electronics and processing

what wouldnt be a bad thing to do IMHO.

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09-16-2018, 12:47 PM	#31
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,293	Originally posted by ffking i'd like to see Pentax use their sensors - especially if they could get some sort of mutual benefit relationship going Yes, expect the iPentax soon!

09-16-2018, 01:14 PM	#32
Reed Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Warsaw Posts: 516	They could learn a thing o two about mobile apps from Samsung;] ImageSync still works like open beta version;]

09-16-2018, 01:16 PM	#33
Picture Imperfect New Member Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: San Diego, USA, Earth, local solar system Posts: 23	Assuming all of this is true, any guesses as to the pixel size? 30 mp strikes me as being to close to the K-1 and I would think Ricoh would not want to cannibalize K-1 sales to the K-3 successor because of this. But considering that the 24 mp sensor size has been around for 5 years now and in all the APS-C cameras, I think Ricoh needs to bump the size up to at least 26 mp if not 28 mp. Then again, if a K-1 successor goes with a 42-45 mp sensor then a 30 mp one would slot in quite nicely below that. I've been thinking of upgrading from my now 7 and a half year old K-5 and was very interested in the K-3 successor. But the more I think about this the more I'd like to see the successor to the KP. Hmmmm, I may not be upgrading for another couple of years......

09-16-2018, 01:17 PM	#34
Canid Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Photos: Albums Posts: 93	This is some promising news. I doubt there will be anything stemming from it at photokina though - it is too soon, and they've obviously been building up hype for a new GR. I would be very surprised if it was something else.

09-16-2018, 01:25 PM	#35
reh321 retired sw engineer Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 15,227	Originally posted by Picture Imperfect Assuming all of this is true, any guesses as to the pixel size? 30 mp strikes me as being to close to the K-1 and I would think Ricoh would not want to cannibalize K-1 sales to the K-3 successor because of this. But considering that the 24 mp sensor size has been around for 5 years now and in all the APS-C cameras, I think Ricoh needs to bump the size up to at least 26 mp if not 28 mp. Then again, if a K-1 successor goes with a 42-45 mp sensor then a 30 mp one would slot in quite nicely below that. At some point Dynamic Range, Color Depth, and noise issues arise as the sensor sites become crowded on the sensor. I don't know how use of something like the 'accelerator' might factor into all of this. Experimenting with various settings might help to explain why developing K-3 replacement has seemed to "drag".

09-16-2018, 01:30 PM	#36
swanlefitte Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Location: New Orleans Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,518	I don't see a 28mp apsc interfering with a 36mp ff because pixel size is 3.6 to 4.9 difference. That's 25% larger.

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UncleVanya Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2014 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 16,041	Even 24mp APSC already has smaller receptor sites than 36mp ff, quality of pixels matters too. I don't think most people in the market for ff will be happy with APSC - they seem two different animals.

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dafbp Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 223	Originally posted by UncleVanya Even 24mp APSC already has smaller receptor sites than 36mp ff, quality of pixels matters too. I don't think most people in the market for ff will be happy with APSC - they seem two different animals. (Picking up from yours) I don't think most people in the market today for APS would be happy with 30MP if it meant worse DR/noise than K3. I thought megapixel wars were over...

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reh321 retired sw engineer Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 15,227	Originally posted by dafbp (Picking up from yours) I don't think most people in the market today for APS would be happy with 30MP if it meant worse DR/noise than K3. I thought megapixel wars were over... But what if they could get 28mp with NX500 performance?? Pentax K-3 II vs Samsung NX500

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surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,293	Originally posted by reh321 But what if they could get 28mp with NX500 performance?? With a Viewfinder?...The performace is great,or has been for last 4 years.

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09-16-2018, 03:52 PM - 1 Like	#41
reh321 retired sw engineer Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 15,227	Originally posted by reh321 But what if they could get 28mp with NX500 performance?? Pentax K-3 II vs Samsung NX500 Originally posted by surfar With a Viewfinder?...The performace is great,or has been for last 4 years. That sensor, or an improved variant, in a Pentax camera, with all that implies.

09-16-2018, 03:53 PM	#42
fsge Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Genf Posts: 754	Originally posted by ogl Samsung NX2 - is it real? - PentaxForums.com here is specs of NX-2 sensor (rumors of course) 30.1 MP sensor (67204480) 4K 120fps h.265 – Full sensor (67204480) @ 30fps – 53763024 @ 60fps – 38402160 @ 120fps – 26881512 @ 240fps – 19201080 @ 480fps 15fps/30fps with electronic shutter. Impressive specs, such a sensor would require complete change of electronics and processing

09-16-2018, 04:00 PM	#43
reh321 retired sw engineer Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 15,227	Originally posted by fsge Impressive specs, such a sensor would require complete change of electronics and processing The rumor includes the processor also Wild rumour: Samsung to provide APS-C sensors to Ricoh Imaging (and Fujifilm) - Page 2 - PentaxForums.com which could legitimately explain why the K-3 followup has taken so long and stocks have sagged so much - this sort of thing always takes longer than anyone would reasonably forecast.

09-16-2018, 04:04 PM	#44
surfar Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: mid nth coast,nsw Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,293	Originally posted by reh321 this sort of thing always takes longer For Ricoh Originally posted by reh321 than anyone would reasonably forecast.

09-16-2018, 04:07 PM	#45
H.Abendsen Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Posts: 95	Originally posted by fsge Impressive specs, such a sensor would require complete change of electronics and processing what wouldnt be a bad thing to do IMHO.