Originally posted by Douglas_of_Sweden Don't worry, I've noticed you are not a RH or WB
Well, your black option makes sense. If they fail, the designs are probably the most valuable that are left of Pentax. But I sure would hate to see that. But I have wondered if this is not a logical end if Pentax continue to struggle to compete with bodies, but still have excellent lenses. Even before Hoya I wondered if in the end Pentax would become a 3rd party lens maker selling their lenses with any bayonet, not necessarily giving up their own bodies totally, but giving up the competition. Not so anyone misunderstands me, it is not what I want, just something I've seen as a possible future.
In your better option, if Hoya want to sell cheaper K-lenses in a different name, even their own name, sure go ahead. More options for lenses, and the money goes to Hoya/Pentax, not to someone else...good. But I'm not sure it makes as much sense to name them Hoya. More likely then I would guess something like "Pentax Hoya". Hoya has a name for making glass, but not so much among the consumers, except for some UV or skylight filters, more so among those buying glass to build their own products. Pentax has a consumer name, if somewhat rusty. This is as far as I understand it, all guesses from a long time amateur.
Douglas,
Seeing the bashing of DA 17-70 before some serious tests (btw from 599 the price fell to about 450 Euro in couple of months) and now the frantic debate about the two DA* lens prices way before somebody even tested them informally, let alone professionaly this was what I thought would make the most sense. And probably Hoya noticed too that the third party lens makers will eat a portion of K-mount sales. This will happen anyway but thinking about some facts (Tokina doesn't make K mount lenses, Sigma pays no royalties, Tamron undercuts in some respects most prices with good optics and decent quality lenses) I recon this is the best way to gain more of the K mount market in the first place and others maybe latter. Now Hoya has some obvious advantages here:
- of course has the glass cheapest than anyone probably;
- has the old Pentax blueprints free so in some cases development costs are minimal (new coatings and maybe motors and revised materials and assembly technologies). For example a "modernised" 50/1.7 comes to mind at about 100 Euro to battle the cheaper Canon and Nikon 50/1.8;
- has a clear view of its target customers and also competitors (Sigma, Tamron) their prices and quality.
Like I said what I'll do in Hoya's shoes would be to retire some current Pentax designs, replace them with Ltds or DA*s and repackage them as "hoya" after the before mentioned "treatment". This way I could:
- use the current lines of assembly;
- give pentaxians proven lenses in quality and performance for a bit less than before price wise;
- improve the brand name of Pentax by a new line-up of state of the art designs. This way Pentax could become sinonimous with extreme optical and mechanical quality for way less than Zeiss, Leica or Voigtlaender. Maybe the kit lenses will be "Hoya" too.
Regards,
Radu