Ricoh GR III

swanlefitte · 02-22-2019, 06:56 AM

How close focus is the gr3. I can see it being perfect for gardens.
But I have to buy the flash separate and the drone separate and the tripod separate and all the accessories separate. That's a good thing in my view. I CAN have them but I get a really compact great image maker without them and without paying for things I don't need.

awscreo · 02-22-2019, 06:58 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by panonski

I explained already.

Also I want to inform others - less experianced photographers - that lack of the flash can be essential, if they're planning to leave the house , just with ONE camera, fitted in the pocket.

Thank you for sharing your incredible knowledge. Apparently no one else figured out that night is dark.

**BigMackCam** · 02-22-2019, 06:59 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by panonski

Also I want to inform others - less experianced photographers - that lack of the flash can be essential, if they're planning to leave the house , just with ONE camera, fitted in the pocket.

With respect, I doubt there will be many "less experienced photographers" forking out this kind of money on this type of camera. Folks buying the GRIII know what they're buying it for and what it will allow them to do.

JPT · 02-22-2019, 07:05 AM - **3 Likes**

If you look at the cut-away image at the bottom of this page, you can see that the SR mechanism takes up most of the space in the body. There no space for a flash or an EVF.

[High Image Quality] ?GR III | RICOH IMAGING

Their decision makes sense to me. A flash can be added to the hot shoe if you want it. An OVF can be added to the hot shoe if you want it. GPS can be handled through a connection to a smartphone.

But SR can't be added. It has to be in the camera itself or not at all. I personally value SR more than a flash, so I'm happy.

MJKoski · 02-22-2019, 07:06 AM

@BigMackCam
Nah. I use "lesser" device to take photographs right now. It is soon 6 months since I last used K-1 after purchasing Huawei P20 Pro. It has been funny challenge so far. Lesser devices are enough for most scenes.

reh321 · 02-22-2019, 07:09 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by panonski

I explained already.

Also I want to inform others - less experienced photographers - that lack of the flash can be essential, if they're planning to leave the house , just with ONE camera, fitted in the pocket.

We had this same discussion when the K-3ii was released. They know - so do the more experienced photographers, and the ones in between. To the Ricoh designers, size was more important than including a flash or {more important to me} an EVF

This brings us back to the purpose of a tool. My wife and I are painting a bathroom. I could use a Swiss Army Knife to open the can and stir the paint; I might also ruin the knife in the process {and end up with a messy hand}, so the place where we purchased the paint also has tools for those tasks.

**savoche** · 02-22-2019, 07:13 AM

Originally posted by JPT

But SR can't be added. It has to be in the camera itself or not at all. I personally value SR more than a flash, so I'm happy.

I agree. Even though my first reaction was "the GR doesn't need SR", it does make the built-in ND filter even more useful.

panonski · 02-22-2019, 07:18 AM

Originally posted by savoche

I agree. Even though my first reaction was "the GR doesn't need SR", it does make the built-in ND filter even more useful.

I think when you compare sizes ,

you're forgeting ( or don't know yet ) that GR III is SMALLER - not the same sized as GR II.

Because I own GX 200 whicvh shares this design of GR - I know HOW SMALL is already.

GR III is SMALLER than that, so the speculations - that they have to cut something because of built in SR, could be untrue, and wrong.

awscreo · 02-22-2019, 07:21 AM

Originally posted by panonski

I think when you compare sizes ,

you're forgeting ( or don't know yet ) that GR III is SMALLER - not the same sized as GR II.

Because I own GX 200 whicvh shares this design of GR - I know HOW SMALL is already.

GR III is SMALLER than that, so the speculations - that they have to cut something because of built in SR, could be untrue, and wrong.

Please let me know where you'd place a flash unit.

Kunzite · 02-22-2019, 07:24 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by panonski

Also I want to inform others - less experianced photographers - that lack of the flash can be essential, if they're planning to leave the house , just with ONE camera, fitted in the pocket.

What you want is to drive people away from an excellent product.

You had no intention of buying the GR III, and now you're looking for excuses so others won't buy either.

panonski · 02-22-2019, 07:25 AM

Originally posted by awscreo

Please let me know where you'd place a flash unit.

increase dimensions to original GR and you will find a place. Or just look at this pics

gx 200 ricoh flash at DuckDuckGo

awscreo · 02-22-2019, 07:28 AM

Originally posted by panonski

increase dimensions to original GR and you will find a place. Or just look at this pics

gx 200 ricoh flash at DuckDuckGo

They shaved 7mm off of GRII, do you think that's enough for a flash unit?

biz-engineer · 02-22-2019, 07:28 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by panonski

Also I want to inform others - less experianced photographers - that lack of the flash can be essential, if they're planning to leave the house , just with ONE camera, fitted in the pocket.

Ricoh knows that you already have an Olympus PEN E-P5, that's why they thought "we aren't going to make an Olympus PEN E-P5 for him otherwise he will not buy it because he already has one." Ricoh thought "We are going to make a camera that Panonski doesn't have, so he will eventually buy it to do what he can't do with his Olympus PEN E-P5". And that's why the GRIII is not the same as the Olympus PEN E-P5: GRIII has a larger sensor, sensor stabilization and no flash. Ricoh thinking is very logical.

---------- Post added 22-02-19 at 15:33 ----------

Originally posted by awscreo

They shaved 7mm off of GRII, do you think that's enough for a flash unit?

They could have added a 2mm LED light flash to avoid the no flash objection of some customers

panonski · 02-22-2019, 07:34 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

What you want is to drive people away from an excellent product.

hmmmm ... every bad opinion - would do that.

I'm sorry - but I'm in the same boat as many... I like street photography.

If companies like Ricoh claim they're doing it for some style - obvious street style is here most mentionting -

THEN I HAVE TO SAY - WHY IT IS NOT such a wonderfull, and maybe not even street style ( as it could be with zoom ) camera - which in this last generation - would lack - one more feature - which maybe don't necceary fit into the street - and that's the flash.

I shot a LOT of street style photos, and flash is mostly don't needed - but sometimes I must use it, or want to use it.

Just my opinion.

If someone plans to buy that, why not.

awscreo · 02-22-2019, 07:34 AM

Originally posted by biz-engineer

Ricoh knows that you already have an Olympus PEN E-P5, that's why they thought "we aren't going to make an Olympus PEN E-P5 for him otherwise he will not buy it because he already has one." Ricoh thought "We are going to make a camera that Panonski doesn't have, so he will eventually buy it to do what he can't do with his Olympus PEN E-P5". And that's why the GRIII is not the same as the Olympus PEN E-P5: GRIII has a larger sensor, sensor stabilization and no flash. Ricoh thinking is very logical.

---------- Post added 22-02-19 at 15:33 ----------

They could have added a 3mm led flash to avoid the no flash objection

Haha, like an led strip glued to a straw?)

02-22-2019, 07:09 AM - 1 Like	#651
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,179	Originally posted by panonski I explained already. Also I want to inform others - less experienced photographers - that lack of the flash can be essential, if they're planning to leave the house , just with ONE camera, fitted in the pocket. We had this same discussion when the K-3ii was released. They know - so do the more experienced photographers, and the ones in between. To the Ricoh designers, size was more important than including a flash or {more important to me} an EVF This brings us back to the purpose of a tool. My wife and I are painting a bathroom. I could use a Swiss Army Knife to open the can and stir the paint; I might also ruin the knife in the process {and end up with a messy hand}, so the place where we purchased the paint also has tools for those tasks. Attached Images

02-22-2019, 07:28 AM - 1 Like	#658
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,232	Originally posted by panonski Also I want to inform others - less experianced photographers - that lack of the flash can be essential, if they're planning to leave the house , just with ONE camera, fitted in the pocket. Ricoh knows that you already have an Olympus PEN E-P5, that's why they thought "we aren't going to make an Olympus PEN E-P5 for him otherwise he will not buy it because he already has one." Ricoh thought "We are going to make a camera that Panonski doesn't have, so he will eventually buy it to do what he can't do with his Olympus PEN E-P5". And that's why the GRIII is not the same as the Olympus PEN E-P5: GRIII has a larger sensor, sensor stabilization and no flash. Ricoh thinking is very logical. ---------- Post added 22-02-19 at 15:33 ---------- Originally posted by awscreo They shaved 7mm off of GRII, do you think that's enough for a flash unit? They could have added a 2mm LED light flash to avoid the no flash objection of some customers Last edited by biz-engineer; 02-22-2019 at 07:35 AM.

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02-22-2019, 06:56 AM	#646
swanlefitte Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Location: Minneapolis Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,068	How close focus is the gr3. I can see it being perfect for gardens. But I have to buy the flash separate and the drone separate and the tripod separate and all the accessories separate. That's a good thing in my view. I CAN have them but I get a really compact great image maker without them and without paying for things I don't need.

02-22-2019, 06:58 AM - 2 Likes	#647
awscreo Veteran Member Join Date: May 2016 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,722	Originally posted by panonski I explained already. Also I want to inform others - less experianced photographers - that lack of the flash can be essential, if they're planning to leave the house , just with ONE camera, fitted in the pocket. Thank you for sharing your incredible knowledge. Apparently no one else figured out that night is dark.

02-22-2019, 06:59 AM - 1 Like	#648
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,673	Originally posted by panonski Also I want to inform others - less experianced photographers - that lack of the flash can be essential, if they're planning to leave the house , just with ONE camera, fitted in the pocket. With respect, I doubt there will be many "less experienced photographers" forking out this kind of money on this type of camera. Folks buying the GRIII know what they're buying it for and what it will allow them to do.

02-22-2019, 07:05 AM - 3 Likes	#649
JPT Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Tokyo Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,821	If you look at the cut-away image at the bottom of this page, you can see that the SR mechanism takes up most of the space in the body. There no space for a flash or an EVF. [High Image Quality] ?GR III \| RICOH IMAGING Their decision makes sense to me. A flash can be added to the hot shoe if you want it. An OVF can be added to the hot shoe if you want it. GPS can be handled through a connection to a smartphone. But SR can't be added. It has to be in the camera itself or not at all. I personally value SR more than a flash, so I'm happy.

02-22-2019, 07:06 AM	#650
MJKoski Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 1,784	@BigMackCam Nah. I use "lesser" device to take photographs right now. It is soon 6 months since I last used K-1 after purchasing Huawei P20 Pro. It has been funny challenge so far. Lesser devices are enough for most scenes.

02-22-2019, 07:13 AM	#652
savoche Master of the obvious Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Lowlands of Norway Posts: 18,311	Originally posted by JPT But SR can't be added. It has to be in the camera itself or not at all. I personally value SR more than a flash, so I'm happy. I agree. Even though my first reaction was "the GR doesn't need SR", it does make the built-in ND filter even more useful.

02-22-2019, 07:18 AM	#653
panonski Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Location: Zagreb Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 624	Originally posted by savoche I agree. Even though my first reaction was "the GR doesn't need SR", it does make the built-in ND filter even more useful. I think when you compare sizes , you're forgeting ( or don't know yet ) that GR III is SMALLER - not the same sized as GR II. Because I own GX 200 whicvh shares this design of GR - I know HOW SMALL is already. GR III is SMALLER than that, so the speculations - that they have to cut something because of built in SR, could be untrue, and wrong.

02-22-2019, 07:21 AM	#654
awscreo Veteran Member Join Date: May 2016 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,722	Originally posted by panonski I think when you compare sizes , you're forgeting ( or don't know yet ) that GR III is SMALLER - not the same sized as GR II. Because I own GX 200 whicvh shares this design of GR - I know HOW SMALL is already. GR III is SMALLER than that, so the speculations - that they have to cut something because of built in SR, could be untrue, and wrong. Please let me know where you'd place a flash unit.

02-22-2019, 07:24 AM - 2 Likes	#655
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by panonski Also I want to inform others - less experianced photographers - that lack of the flash can be essential, if they're planning to leave the house , just with ONE camera, fitted in the pocket. What you want is to drive people away from an excellent product. You had no intention of buying the GR III, and now you're looking for excuses so others won't buy either.

02-22-2019, 07:25 AM	#656
panonski Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Location: Zagreb Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 624	Originally posted by awscreo Please let me know where you'd place a flash unit. increase dimensions to original GR and you will find a place. Or just look at this pics gx 200 ricoh flash at DuckDuckGo

02-22-2019, 07:28 AM	#657
awscreo Veteran Member Join Date: May 2016 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,722	Originally posted by panonski increase dimensions to original GR and you will find a place. Or just look at this pics gx 200 ricoh flash at DuckDuckGo They shaved 7mm off of GRII, do you think that's enough for a flash unit?

02-22-2019, 07:34 AM	#659
panonski Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Location: Zagreb Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 624	Originally posted by Kunzite What you want is to drive people away from an excellent product. hmmmm ... every bad opinion - would do that. I'm sorry - but I'm in the same boat as many... I like street photography. If companies like Ricoh claim they're doing it for some style - obvious street style is here most mentionting - THEN I HAVE TO SAY - WHY IT IS NOT such a wonderfull, and maybe not even street style ( as it could be with zoom ) camera - which in this last generation - would lack - one more feature - which maybe don't necceary fit into the street - and that's the flash. I shot a LOT of street style photos, and flash is mostly don't needed - but sometimes I must use it, or want to use it. Just my opinion. If someone plans to buy that, why not.

02-22-2019, 07:34 AM	#660
awscreo Veteran Member Join Date: May 2016 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,722	Originally posted by biz-engineer Ricoh knows that you already have an Olympus PEN E-P5, that's why they thought "we aren't going to make an Olympus PEN E-P5 for him otherwise he will not buy it because he already has one." Ricoh thought "We are going to make a camera that Panonski doesn't have, so he will eventually buy it to do what he can't do with his Olympus PEN E-P5". And that's why the GRIII is not the same as the Olympus PEN E-P5: GRIII has a larger sensor, sensor stabilization and no flash. Ricoh thinking is very logical. ---------- Post added 22-02-19 at 15:33 ---------- They could have added a 3mm led flash to avoid the no flash objection Haha, like an led strip glued to a straw?)