Miscellaneous development at Ricoh Imaging

Andrea K · 10-02-2018, 04:34 AM

Originally posted by FozzFoster

Sounds like a hybrid viewfinder to me... how is that 'not quite' a hybrid?

Google translated:

"PROBLEM TO BE SOLVED: To obtain an easy-to-see field-of-view display device (display device in viewfinder). A magnifying glass optical system is provided for enlarging and observing a subject image formed on a focusing screen, and a display unit for displaying predetermined information in a field of view of the loupe optical system so as to overlap or display the object image, Wherein the information input device includes at least a part between an information display section for displaying the information and a predetermined incident point to be made incident into the field of view....

Claim:
A loupe optical system for enlarging and observing a subject image formed on the focusing screen and information for causing predetermined information to enter the field of view of the loupe optical system so as to be superimposed on or displayed in place of the subject image....

On the other hand, it has been known for a long time that superimposed (SI) function for superimposing and displaying a relatively coarse point image such as the distance measuring point position at the time of autofocus on the image of the optical viewfinder. Here, if the subject image by the photographing lens which houses the quick return mirror and formed on the image pickup element can be displayed by the superimposing function, it is possible to make the optical viewfinder function as the electronic viewfinder...."

To simulate the EVF aids to the manual focus they will put a magnifying glass in the OVF?!?!

Ishpuini · 10-02-2018, 06:13 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by FozzFoster

Holy moly! That rumour might be true?!?

DA* 11-18mm f/2.8 is to have a defog option for astrophotography? - PentaxForums.com

Well, it could explain why the DA*11-18/2.8 was nowhere to be seen at Photokina 2018, after the earlier prototype being available to try out (except for pictures) at the 2018 Brussels Imaging Days (and other venues?)... At Photokina they were very tight lipped about the lens (or simply didn't know anything) when I asked about it. Other than "confirming" it would be for 2019 that is.

This lens often reminds me of the DA*60-250/4, which got delayed frequently and had its features changed significantly between the first prototype shown and the final product. I'm just hoping the DA*11-18/2.8 will be faster to market...

Wim

**FozzFoster** · 10-02-2018, 06:46 AM

Originally posted by Andrea K

To simulate the EVF aids to the manual focus they will put a magnifying glass in the OVF?!?!

well I don't know what the final product is going to be... and I'm not too sure what you're concerned about... an OVF does magnify the image... in a sense it is a magnifying glass.

For example, the K-1 has 0.70x magnification in it's viewfinder:
Pentax K-1 - Pentax K-mount DSLRs - Pentax Camera Reviews and Specifications

But who knows maybe you can zoom 1:1 within the overlayed EVF while looking through the OVF!!?!

The Squirrel Mafia · 10-02-2018, 01:03 PM

Some exciting patents here. Lets see how many of them actually make their way into the K-3II successor.

Andrea K · 10-02-2018, 01:17 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by FozzFoster

well I don't know what the final product is going to be... and I'm not too sure what you're concerned about... an OVF does magnify the image... in a sense it is a magnifying glass.

For example, the K-1 has 0.70x magnification in it's viewfinder:
Pentax K-1 - Pentax K-mount DSLRs - Pentax Camera Reviews and Specifications

But who knows maybe you can zoom 1:1 within the overlayed EVF while looking through the OVF!!?!

If I understand the patent translation posted here there are two "parts": a magnifying glass that can enlarge a portion of the OVF, probably only the center, and a superimposed electronic device that gives some realtime informations, probably the histogram or other useful data.

I think that the enlarging function can't be through an EVF because this will need another sensor under another light path (or maybe the exposure sensor with more resolution) ?
A very small magnifying glass inside the OVF seems a bit tricky to me....

BROO · 10-02-2018, 01:46 PM - **1 Like**

Pentax Rumors has an interesting article about a newly patented focusing screen.

????????????????????????J-PlatPat

H.Abendsen · 10-02-2018, 02:20 PM

Overall one could say - it looks like a hybrid viewfinder...

that is the only thing one should assume from looking into such a patent if he/she is not a native japanese speaker...
Google Translate even struggles with the easiest things translating from svedish to french or translate some actually not that difficult african language to english...
Imagine the failures that happen with hungarian, czech, russian...
and than imagine the failures in translation when it gets fed with a language thats not even close to the outmost orbit of latin letters or the indo-european languages...
I dont even see a chance here for someone who knows "a bit" japanese to read out any details, let alone the actual method of operation because it think most words&|symbols are very contextual.
Translating from technical japanese to english may be one of the most difficult tasks even for a professional interpreter. (remember the early days of japanese tech sold in the west and its funny manuals?)
I guess as "mere mortals" we can only read out the basics of such a patent.

But a Hybrid Viewfinder as such... thats a thing PENTAX is after for a while now and seems to have intentions to build it one day.

I dare to say that, since I already have seen patents for some kind of switchable mirror(you could make it translucent or level it up to being 100% reflective...)
(somebody with the knowledge translated it...)
Such a mirror with adjustable "reflectiveness" would make a true hybrid camera possible.

But bare in mind, that all that doesnt mean so much, since... i also have seen patents for a display which you could totally take off of the camera body a few years ago.
I guess that would work with some kind of proprietary near field communication protocol not in use by any other standard...
That would make it possible to have interchangable display mounts in the end.

But again... dont expect too much. There are sooo many patents that never gave birth to an actual product...

Since i believe to know how PENTAX is ticking, i guess that they for sure not even dared to speculate about how many spare displays they could sell additionally...

if they would build a camera with detachable display and interchangeble display mounts...
I rather fancy one of the big bosses walked by at R&D saw that wonderful patent and said: "Too risky orokamono san, customers will loose it... close the file, burn it, burry it and put a tombstone on top. we may use it later."

**beachgardener** · 10-02-2018, 02:31 PM

Originally posted by BigMackCam

A DSLR with hybrid viewfinder would be an interesting option

not for me, OVF rules man, I want less rubbish to see in the viewfinder, just the scene I'm photographing nothing else, what more do you need? I might use Av sometimes, much of the time I manual expose, just need to see the scene, OVF all the way. Mirror less to me would need to be rangefinder, don't want this EVF rubbish, leave DSLR as OVF.

BROO · 10-02-2018, 02:35 PM - **2 Likes**

Pentax are trying to improve manual focus capabilities through the viewfinder. This is one big advantage of EVF designs. You can use focus peaking. Currently we can only use focus peaking on the rear display. So they are trying a few things.

**BigMackCam** · 10-02-2018, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by H.Abendsen

I dare to say that, since I already have seen patents for some kind of switchable mirror(you could make it translucent or level it up to being 100% reflective...)
(somebody with the knowledge translated it...)
Such a mirror with adjustable "reflectiveness" would make a true hybrid camera possible.

But bare in mind, that all that doesnt mean so much, since... i also have seen patents for a display which you could totally take off of the camera body a few years ago.
I guess that would work with some kind of proprietary near field communication protocol not in use by any other standard...
That would make it possible to have interchangable display mounts in the end.

Going back to 1965, Canon had its Pellix approach with a semi-transparent stationary reflex mirror. Although not quite the same, Sony's SLT technology employed a similar approach, though not to reflect an optical view to a viewfinder. If something similar could be used to reflect an optical view of sufficient brightness whilst allowing enough light through to the sensor, and combining that with a transparent LCD overly inside the optical viewfinder, that might offer one approach to a hybrid viewfinder system. I doubt that's the way things would develop, but the possibility is worth considering. Your idea of adjustable reflectiveness (though I don't know if this is even possible) would have interesting applications here

Originally posted by H.Abendsen

Since i believe to know how PENTAX is ticking

Outside of Ricoh Imaging's Pentax team and its executive management, I think that would make you quite unique

MMVIII · 10-02-2018, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by Andrea K

If I understand the patent translation posted here there are two "parts": a magnifying glass that can enlarge a portion of the OVF, probably only the center, and a superimposed electronic device that gives some realtime informations, probably the histogram or other useful data.

I think that the enlarging function can't be through an EVF because this will need another sensor under another light path (or maybe the exposure sensor with more resolution) ?
A very small magnifying glass inside the OVF seems a bit tricky to me....

I would assume that some things would work simply with mirror up, thus having the same viewfinder offering either the image from the matte screen with some information superimposed, or the stream from liveview, with everything that is possible with that.
Anyhow, based on nothing but purest speculation, for sure.

**BigMackCam** · 10-02-2018, 02:49 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by beachgardener

not for me, OVF rules man, I want less rubbish to see in the viewfinder, just the scene I'm photographing nothing else, what more do you need? I might use Av sometimes, much of the time I manual expose, just need to see the scene, OVF all the way. Mirror less to me would need to be rangefinder, don't want this EVF rubbish, leave DSLR as OVF.

I'm not talking about seeing more in the viewfinder all the time.

Some of the time (as much of that time as you choose, actually), all you would see would be the optical view.

But, selectable and configurable via an otherwise-transparent LCD layer in the viewfinder, you'd see overlays of settings and / or - importantly - a digital representation of the image, even magnified when you need it. Imagine that... switchable optical or digital view, and better still - for those situations where you'd like it - a combo of the two? That's what I'm talking about. Those who like OVF (me included) could use that view most of the time, leveraging the EVF aspect only when needing certain EVF features such as live histogram, a brightened view during low-light shooting, or - here's one for you - critical accuracy with manual focus (you might think EVFs are rubbish, but stand next to me when I'm using my A7 MkII (instead of my K-3) and replicate my accurate focusing of a fast lens wide open with your OVF

).

Hey, I'm a huge fan of OVFs. I love them. I prefer them when they're the most practical choice. Most of the cameras I shoot have them. Yet for certain applications, an EVF is gold-dust, where an OVF is - to use your term - "rubbish". In others, the OVF rules supreme, and the EVF is "rubbish". Disclosure: I bought a Sony A7 MkII primarily to shoot my old Soviet manual focus glass... Yet I still prefer my Pentax gear when I can use it to its best advantage.

Do you see what I'm getting at? Or are you closed off to the benefits EVFs - or better still, a hybrid O/EVF - can offer in even a limited number of your use cases? If you are, that's fine... I won't challenge that. What's right for you is right for you. But trust me, there are people who would make great use of a hybrid viewfinder

**beachgardener** · 10-02-2018, 02:57 PM

Originally posted by BigMackCam

a digital representation of the image. Imagine that...

Yes I have imagined that, and looked into EV Finders, don't like what I see. I don't want to see a movie of the scene, I want to see the scene. Simple as that. I prefer the camera as simple as possible without all the extra rubbish. If they get rid of OVF I'll go back to film cameras.

BROO · 10-02-2018, 03:01 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by beachgardener

If they get rid of OVF I'll go back to film cameras.

Why don't you just keep the camera that you have?

**BigMackCam** · 10-02-2018, 03:03 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by beachgardener

Yes I have imagined that, and looked into EV Finders, don't like what I see. I don't want to see a movie of the scene, I want to see the scene. Simple as that. I prefer the camera as simple as possible without all the extra rubbish. If they get rid of OVF I'll go back to film cameras.

That's fair enough. It's a use-case issue, then... you wouldn't benefit from an OVF with selectable individual overlays for certain information (or none at all, as appropriate), and you don't have any need for absolute accuracy with manual focus of fast glass - or, rather, if you do, you're happy to use Live View. That's a perfectly valid stance. Or do you not like Live View either, given that it's electronic?

You may not need it, and you could certainly choose not to buy it, but you could use a hybrid viewfinder camera in exactly the same way as an OVF-only camera. I can see that you wouldn't want to pay for the additional capabilities, and that's fine... But operationally, you'd arguably be no worse off. With your settings, you'd see no difference, as the EVF elements would be permanently switched off

That's the thing - a hybrid viewfinder wouldn't be "getting rid of OVF" - it would be adding to it, only with the information and capabilities you want or need, when you want or need them (which might be never)...

10-02-2018, 06:13 AM - 2 Likes	#17
Ishpuini Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Antwerp, Belgium Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,727	Originally posted by FozzFoster Holy moly! That rumour might be true?!? DA* 11-18mm f/2.8 is to have a defog option for astrophotography? - PentaxForums.com Well, it could explain why the DA11-18/2.8 was nowhere to be seen at Photokina 2018, after the earlier prototype being available to try out (except for pictures) at the 2018 Brussels Imaging Days (and other venues?)... At Photokina they were very tight lipped about the lens (or simply didn't know anything) when I asked about it. Other than "confirming" it would be for 2019 that is. This lens often reminds me of the DA60-250/4, which got delayed frequently and had its features changed significantly between the first prototype shown and the final product. I'm just hoping the DA11-18/2.8 will be faster to market... Wim Last edited by Ishpuini; 10-02-2018 at 07:08 AM.*

10-02-2018, 02:49 PM - 2 Likes	#27
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,674	Originally posted by beachgardener not for me, OVF rules man, I want less rubbish to see in the viewfinder, just the scene I'm photographing nothing else, what more do you need? I might use Av sometimes, much of the time I manual expose, just need to see the scene, OVF all the way. Mirror less to me would need to be rangefinder, don't want this EVF rubbish, leave DSLR as OVF. I'm not talking about seeing more in the viewfinder all the time. Some of the time (as much of that time as you choose, actually), all you would see would be the optical view. But, selectable and configurable via an otherwise-transparent LCD layer in the viewfinder, you'd see overlays of settings and / or - importantly - a digital representation of the image, even magnified when you need it. Imagine that... switchable optical or digital view, and better still - for those situations where you'd like it - a combo of the two? That's what I'm talking about. Those who like OVF (me included) could use that view most of the time, leveraging the EVF aspect only when needing certain EVF features such as live histogram, a brightened view during low-light shooting, or - here's one for you - critical accuracy with manual focus (you might think EVFs are rubbish, but stand next to me when I'm using my A7 MkII (instead of my K-3) and replicate my accurate focusing of a fast lens wide open with your OVF ). Hey, I'm a huge fan of OVFs. I love them. I prefer them when they're the most practical choice. Most of the cameras I shoot have them. Yet for certain applications, an EVF is gold-dust, where an OVF is - to use your term - "rubbish". In others, the OVF rules supreme, and the EVF is "rubbish". Disclosure: I bought a Sony A7 MkII primarily to shoot my old Soviet manual focus glass... Yet I still prefer my Pentax gear when I can use it to its best advantage. Do you see what I'm getting at? Or are you closed off to the benefits EVFs - or better still, a hybrid O/EVF - can offer in even a limited number of your use cases? If you are, that's fine... I won't challenge that. What's right for you is right for you. But trust me, there are people who would make great use of a hybrid viewfinder Last edited by BigMackCam; 10-02-2018 at 02:59 PM.

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10-02-2018, 04:34 AM	#16
Andrea K Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Rome, Italy Posts: 822	Originally posted by FozzFoster Sounds like a hybrid viewfinder to me... how is that 'not quite' a hybrid? Google translated: "PROBLEM TO BE SOLVED: To obtain an easy-to-see field-of-view display device (display device in viewfinder). A magnifying glass optical system is provided for enlarging and observing a subject image formed on a focusing screen, and a display unit for displaying predetermined information in a field of view of the loupe optical system so as to overlap or display the object image, Wherein the information input device includes at least a part between an information display section for displaying the information and a predetermined incident point to be made incident into the field of view.... Claim: A loupe optical system for enlarging and observing a subject image formed on the focusing screen and information for causing predetermined information to enter the field of view of the loupe optical system so as to be superimposed on or displayed in place of the subject image.... On the other hand, it has been known for a long time that superimposed (SI) function for superimposing and displaying a relatively coarse point image such as the distance measuring point position at the time of autofocus on the image of the optical viewfinder. Here, if the subject image by the photographing lens which houses the quick return mirror and formed on the image pickup element can be displayed by the superimposing function, it is possible to make the optical viewfinder function as the electronic viewfinder...." To simulate the EVF aids to the manual focus they will put a magnifying glass in the OVF?!?!

10-02-2018, 06:46 AM	#18
FozzFoster Custom User Title Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Alberta Photos: Albums Posts: 6,806	Originally posted by Andrea K To simulate the EVF aids to the manual focus they will put a magnifying glass in the OVF?!?! well I don't know what the final product is going to be... and I'm not too sure what you're concerned about... an OVF does magnify the image... in a sense it is a magnifying glass. For example, the K-1 has 0.70x magnification in it's viewfinder: Pentax K-1 - Pentax K-mount DSLRs - Pentax Camera Reviews and Specifications But who knows maybe you can zoom 1:1 within the overlayed EVF while looking through the OVF!!?!

10-02-2018, 01:03 PM	#19
The Squirrel Mafia Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 3,054	Some exciting patents here. Lets see how many of them actually make their way into the K-3II successor.

10-02-2018, 01:17 PM - 1 Like	#20
Andrea K Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Rome, Italy Posts: 822	Originally posted by FozzFoster well I don't know what the final product is going to be... and I'm not too sure what you're concerned about... an OVF does magnify the image... in a sense it is a magnifying glass. For example, the K-1 has 0.70x magnification in it's viewfinder: Pentax K-1 - Pentax K-mount DSLRs - Pentax Camera Reviews and Specifications But who knows maybe you can zoom 1:1 within the overlayed EVF while looking through the OVF!!?! If I understand the patent translation posted here there are two "parts": a magnifying glass that can enlarge a portion of the OVF, probably only the center, and a superimposed electronic device that gives some realtime informations, probably the histogram or other useful data. I think that the enlarging function can't be through an EVF because this will need another sensor under another light path (or maybe the exposure sensor with more resolution) ? A very small magnifying glass inside the OVF seems a bit tricky to me....

10-02-2018, 01:46 PM - 1 Like	#21
BROO Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 655	Pentax Rumors has an interesting article about a newly patented focusing screen. ????????????????????????J-PlatPat

10-02-2018, 02:20 PM	#22
H.Abendsen Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Posts: 95	Overall one could say - it looks like a hybrid viewfinder... that is the only thing one should assume from looking into such a patent if he/she is not a native japanese speaker... Google Translate even struggles with the easiest things translating from svedish to french or translate some actually not that difficult african language to english... Imagine the failures that happen with hungarian, czech, russian... and than imagine the failures in translation when it gets fed with a language thats not even close to the outmost orbit of latin letters or the indo-european languages... I dont even see a chance here for someone who knows "a bit" japanese to read out any details, let alone the actual method of operation because it think most words&\|symbols are very contextual. Translating from technical japanese to english may be one of the most difficult tasks even for a professional interpreter. (remember the early days of japanese tech sold in the west and its funny manuals?) I guess as "mere mortals" we can only read out the basics of such a patent. But a Hybrid Viewfinder as such... thats a thing PENTAX is after for a while now and seems to have intentions to build it one day. I dare to say that, since I already have seen patents for some kind of switchable mirror(you could make it translucent or level it up to being 100% reflective...) (somebody with the knowledge translated it...) Such a mirror with adjustable "reflectiveness" would make a true hybrid camera possible. But bare in mind, that all that doesnt mean so much, since... i also have seen patents for a display which you could totally take off of the camera body a few years ago. I guess that would work with some kind of proprietary near field communication protocol not in use by any other standard... That would make it possible to have interchangable display mounts in the end. But again... dont expect too much. There are sooo many patents that never gave birth to an actual product... Since i believe to know how PENTAX is ticking, i guess that they for sure not even dared to speculate about how many spare displays they could sell additionally... if they would build a camera with detachable display and interchangeble display mounts... I rather fancy one of the big bosses walked by at R&D saw that wonderful patent and said: "Too risky orokamono san, customers will loose it... close the file, burn it, burry it and put a tombstone on top. we may use it later."

10-02-2018, 02:31 PM	#23
beachgardener Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,842	Originally posted by BigMackCam A DSLR with hybrid viewfinder would be an interesting option not for me, OVF rules man, I want less rubbish to see in the viewfinder, just the scene I'm photographing nothing else, what more do you need? I might use Av sometimes, much of the time I manual expose, just need to see the scene, OVF all the way. Mirror less to me would need to be rangefinder, don't want this EVF rubbish, leave DSLR as OVF.

10-02-2018, 02:35 PM - 2 Likes	#24
BROO Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 655	Pentax are trying to improve manual focus capabilities through the viewfinder. This is one big advantage of EVF designs. You can use focus peaking. Currently we can only use focus peaking on the rear display. So they are trying a few things.

10-02-2018, 02:43 PM	#25
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,674	Originally posted by H.Abendsen I dare to say that, since I already have seen patents for some kind of switchable mirror(you could make it translucent or level it up to being 100% reflective...) (somebody with the knowledge translated it...) Such a mirror with adjustable "reflectiveness" would make a true hybrid camera possible. But bare in mind, that all that doesnt mean so much, since... i also have seen patents for a display which you could totally take off of the camera body a few years ago. I guess that would work with some kind of proprietary near field communication protocol not in use by any other standard... That would make it possible to have interchangable display mounts in the end. Going back to 1965, Canon had its Pellix approach with a semi-transparent stationary reflex mirror. Although not quite the same, Sony's SLT technology employed a similar approach, though not to reflect an optical view to a viewfinder. If something similar could be used to reflect an optical view of sufficient brightness whilst allowing enough light through to the sensor, and combining that with a transparent LCD overly inside the optical viewfinder, that might offer one approach to a hybrid viewfinder system. I doubt that's the way things would develop, but the possibility is worth considering. Your idea of adjustable reflectiveness (though I don't know if this is even possible) would have interesting applications here Originally posted by H.Abendsen Since i believe to know how PENTAX is ticking Outside of Ricoh Imaging's Pentax team and its executive management, I think that would make you quite unique

10-02-2018, 02:43 PM	#26
MMVIII Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: EU Posts: 1,121	Originally posted by Andrea K If I understand the patent translation posted here there are two "parts": a magnifying glass that can enlarge a portion of the OVF, probably only the center, and a superimposed electronic device that gives some realtime informations, probably the histogram or other useful data. I think that the enlarging function can't be through an EVF because this will need another sensor under another light path (or maybe the exposure sensor with more resolution) ? A very small magnifying glass inside the OVF seems a bit tricky to me.... I would assume that some things would work simply with mirror up, thus having the same viewfinder offering either the image from the matte screen with some information superimposed, or the stream from liveview, with everything that is possible with that. Anyhow, based on nothing but purest speculation, for sure.

10-02-2018, 02:57 PM	#28
beachgardener Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,842	Originally posted by BigMackCam a digital representation of the image. Imagine that... Yes I have imagined that, and looked into EV Finders, don't like what I see. I don't want to see a movie of the scene, I want to see the scene. Simple as that. I prefer the camera as simple as possible without all the extra rubbish. If they get rid of OVF I'll go back to film cameras.

10-02-2018, 03:01 PM - 2 Likes	#29
BROO Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 655	Originally posted by beachgardener If they get rid of OVF I'll go back to film cameras. Why don't you just keep the camera that you have?

10-02-2018, 03:03 PM - 1 Like	#30
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,674	Originally posted by beachgardener Yes I have imagined that, and looked into EV Finders, don't like what I see. I don't want to see a movie of the scene, I want to see the scene. Simple as that. I prefer the camera as simple as possible without all the extra rubbish. If they get rid of OVF I'll go back to film cameras. That's fair enough. It's a use-case issue, then... you wouldn't benefit from an OVF with selectable individual overlays for certain information (or none at all, as appropriate), and you don't have any need for absolute accuracy with manual focus of fast glass - or, rather, if you do, you're happy to use Live View. That's a perfectly valid stance. Or do you not like Live View either, given that it's electronic? You may not need it, and you could certainly choose not to buy it, but you could use a hybrid viewfinder camera in exactly the same way as an OVF-only camera. I can see that you wouldn't want to pay for the additional capabilities, and that's fine... But operationally, you'd arguably be no worse off. With your settings, you'd see no difference, as the EVF elements would be permanently switched off That's the thing - a hybrid viewfinder wouldn't be "getting rid of OVF" - it would be adding to it, only with the information and capabilities you want or need, when you want or need them (which might be never)...