Could a Fuji Film Sensor be in Pentax's Future?

mithrandir · 09-22-2008, 06:31 PM

Maybe we will see a march back to CCD technology:

Fujifilm announces Super CCD EXR: Digital Photography Review

PentaxKangaroo · 09-23-2008, 03:26 PM

I hope so.. Maybe Hoya should make a bid for or merge with Fuji.. Pentax then would have it made.. Top glass from Hoya for it's lenes! Cutting edge sensors APS-C from fuji it would be an all Japaness imaging company. This could be possible since there is talk that fuji might get out of the very crowdered DSLR race.. And just do P&S camera's which Fuji Make the best going around! Pentax is letting go of P&S. HOYA PENTAX FUJI HD corp?

RBellavance · 09-23-2008, 04:22 PM

Sorry to rain on your parade, but read the last paragraph of the following: Fuji promises better than F31 performance: Digital Photography Review

a) Fuji does not plan on using its SuperCCD EXR technology in APS-C-sized sensors, but only in compacts.

b) Fuji does not plan to sell/license the technology to other companies. (As a matter of fact, Thom Hogan says rumors has it Fuji did offer the tech to someone else, but the asking price was way too steep).

Adrian Owerko · 02-24-2009, 03:27 AM

Originally posted by RBellavance

Sorry to rain on your parade, but read the last paragraph of the following: Fuji promises better than F31 performance: Digital Photography Review

a) Fuji does not plan on using its SuperCCD EXR technology in APS-C-sized sensors, but only in compacts.

b) Fuji does not plan to sell/license the technology to other companies. (As a matter of fact, Thom Hogan says rumors has it Fuji did offer the tech to someone else, but the asking price was way too steep).

SuperCCD EXR technology in APS-C-sized.. I am sure if Hoya Pentax gave fuji the right $$$ it would be made into APS-C specs. Such a shame to have this tech in a P&S..

roentarre · 02-24-2009, 04:41 AM

Moved to rumours section.

huqedato · 02-24-2009, 05:25 AM

This Fuji sensor doesn't impress me at all.
I hope the Pentax future will be the black silicon sensor!

WheresWaldo · 02-24-2009, 08:46 AM

I would think that if Fujifilm were in a position to merge or be bought out by anybody it wouldn't be Hoya as Fuji has existing working agreements with Nikon. The S5Pro is basically a Nikon with Fuji guts.

solar1 · 02-24-2009, 04:52 PM

Q: Could a Fuji Film Sensor be in Pentax's Future?

ftpaddict · 02-25-2009, 03:50 PM

Originally posted by huqedato

This Fuji sensor doesn't impress me at all.
I hope the Pentax future will be the black silicon sensor!

Which so far has proven to be nothing but vaporware.

falconeye · 02-25-2009, 04:27 PM

Originally posted by huqedato

This Fuji sensor doesn't impress me at all.

I agree. It should slightly increase color resolution at higher ISO while slightly reduce color resolution at lower ISO. Bottom line: no improvement for DSLR.

Originally posted by huqedato

I hope the Pentax future will be the black silicon sensor!

Black silicone is no progress either as it only boosts amplification, not quantum efficiency.

Kunzite · 02-25-2009, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by ftpaddict

Which so far has proven to be nothing but vaporware.

No, not (necessarily) vaporware but years away from commercial implementation.

lithos · 02-25-2009, 11:59 PM

Originally posted by Adrian Owerko

SuperCCD EXR technology in APS-C-sized.. I am sure if Hoya Pentax gave fuji the right $$$ it would be made into APS-C specs. Such a shame to have this tech in a P&S..

Saw one of the new EXR sensor shots from whatever Fuji compact uses it: great noise levels for a P&S. Horrible, horrible noise levels for an SLR...

Dunno why they use 'em in P&S cams, either. I'll bet you the average P&S buyer neither knows nor cares what the noise is. Most of the P&S owners I know don't even that the photos off the camera.

I imagine Samsung would have something to say about Pentax opting for Fuji sensors. I imagine Fuji would have quite a fight on its hands, convincing Pentax.

I imagine that Fuji would lose, considering Samsung makes FREAKIN' MACHINE GUN-WIELDING ROBOTS.

Erik · 02-26-2009, 02:33 AM

Originally posted by lithos

Saw one of the new EXR sensor shots from whatever Fuji compact uses it: great noise levels for a P&S. Horrible, horrible noise levels for an SLR...

Noise levels are a function of sensor size (among other things) so obviously the noise would be reduced significantly in an APS-C sized EXR sensor. If it's good in a small format, it will be better in a larger format.

ftpaddict · 02-26-2009, 03:05 AM

Originally posted by Erik

Noise levels are a function of sensor size (among other things) so obviously the noise would be reduced significantly in an APS-C sized EXR sensor. If it's good in a small format, it will be better in a larger format.

Almost correct. Noise levels are a function of pixel pitch, I believe. The same EXR sensor in 3 megapixel format would yield vastly superior performance.

Erik · 02-26-2009, 03:13 AM

Originally posted by ftpaddict

Almost correct. Noise levels are a function of pixel pitch, I believe. The same EXR sensor in 3 megapixel format would yield vastly superior performance.

Well, yes, of course. But then you could say it's still a function of sensor size because if you put that 3 megapixel sensor on APS-C it would be even better! So the correct answer, of course, is noise levels are (basically) a function of sensor size and pixel size/pitch.

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RBellavance Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Near Montréal, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,716	Sorry to rain on your parade, but read the last paragraph of the following: Fuji promises better than F31 performance: Digital Photography Review a) Fuji does not plan on using its SuperCCD EXR technology in APS-C-sized sensors, but only in compacts. b) Fuji does not plan to sell/license the technology to other companies. (As a matter of fact, Thom Hogan says rumors has it Fuji did offer the tech to someone else, but the asking price was way too steep).

02-24-2009, 03:27 AM	#4
Adrian Owerko Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: South Australia Posts: 435	Originally posted by RBellavance Sorry to rain on your parade, but read the last paragraph of the following: Fuji promises better than F31 performance: Digital Photography Review a) Fuji does not plan on using its SuperCCD EXR technology in APS-C-sized sensors, but only in compacts. b) Fuji does not plan to sell/license the technology to other companies. (As a matter of fact, Thom Hogan says rumors has it Fuji did offer the tech to someone else, but the asking price was way too steep). SuperCCD EXR technology in APS-C-sized.. I am sure if Hoya Pentax gave fuji the right $$$ it would be made into APS-C specs. Such a shame to have this tech in a P&S..

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roentarre Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 11,783	Moved to rumours section.

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huqedato Inactive Account Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: France, EU Posts: 97	This Fuji sensor doesn't impress me at all. I hope the Pentax future will be the black silicon sensor!

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WheresWaldo Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: North Carolina Photos: Gallery Posts: 498	I would think that if Fujifilm were in a position to merge or be bought out by anybody it wouldn't be Hoya as Fuji has existing working agreements with Nikon. The S5Pro is basically a Nikon with Fuji guts.

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ftpaddict Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Yurp Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,666	Originally posted by huqedato This Fuji sensor doesn't impress me at all. I hope the Pentax future will be the black silicon sensor! Which so far has proven to be nothing but vaporware.

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falconeye Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Munich, Alps, Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,871	Originally posted by huqedato This Fuji sensor doesn't impress me at all. I agree. It should slightly increase color resolution at higher ISO while slightly reduce color resolution at lower ISO. Bottom line: no improvement for DSLR. Originally posted by huqedato I hope the Pentax future will be the black silicon sensor! Black silicone is no progress either as it only boosts amplification, not quantum efficiency.

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Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by ftpaddict Which so far has proven to be nothing but vaporware. No, not (necessarily) vaporware but years away from commercial implementation.

02-25-2009, 11:59 PM	#12
lithos Inactive Account Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Brisbane, QLD, AUS Posts: 3,261	Originally posted by Adrian Owerko SuperCCD EXR technology in APS-C-sized.. I am sure if Hoya Pentax gave fuji the right $$$ it would be made into APS-C specs. Such a shame to have this tech in a P&S.. Saw one of the new EXR sensor shots from whatever Fuji compact uses it: great noise levels for a P&S. Horrible, horrible noise levels for an SLR... Dunno why they use 'em in P&S cams, either. I'll bet you the average P&S buyer neither knows nor cares what the noise is. Most of the P&S owners I know don't even that the photos off the camera. I imagine Samsung would have something to say about Pentax opting for Fuji sensors. I imagine Fuji would have quite a fight on its hands, convincing Pentax. I imagine that Fuji would lose, considering Samsung makes FREAKIN' MACHINE GUN-WIELDING ROBOTS.

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Erik Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Umeå, Sweden Posts: 755	Originally posted by lithos Saw one of the new EXR sensor shots from whatever Fuji compact uses it: great noise levels for a P&S. Horrible, horrible noise levels for an SLR... Noise levels are a function of sensor size (among other things) so obviously the noise would be reduced significantly in an APS-C sized EXR sensor. If it's good in a small format, it will be better in a larger format.

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02-26-2009, 03:05 AM	#14
ftpaddict Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Yurp Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,666	Originally posted by Erik Noise levels are a function of sensor size (among other things) so obviously the noise would be reduced significantly in an APS-C sized EXR sensor. If it's good in a small format, it will be better in a larger format. Almost correct. Noise levels are a function of pixel pitch, I believe. The same EXR sensor in 3 megapixel format would yield vastly superior performance.

02-26-2009, 03:13 AM	#15
Erik Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Umeå, Sweden Posts: 755	Originally posted by ftpaddict Almost correct. Noise levels are a function of pixel pitch, I believe. The same EXR sensor in 3 megapixel format would yield vastly superior performance. Well, yes, of course. But then you could say it's still a function of sensor size because if you put that 3 megapixel sensor on APS-C it would be even better! So the correct answer, of course, is noise levels are (basically) a function of sensor size and pixel size/pitch.