Ricoh is working....with Zenit on a K-1 rebadge DSLR???

Trickortreat · 10-04-2018, 10:44 PM - **1 Like**

Hoping they omit the focusing motor and make a K1000SE digital

APS-C even if they cant keep the size/weight of the original

ogl · 10-05-2018, 12:45 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by davidsladek

Russian government policies on their own people .

It seems to me their reference book is Nineteen Eighty-Four by George Orwell. Of course, in new historical condition. I see all elements of manipulation of social mind and active using of simulacrum (especially, of 3rd and 4th levels).

I clearly understand that any power does the same, but Russian government's methods of governance, controls and manipulation of minds are very special and pronounced, impudent and beyond of the Good, sly and cunning.

ebk · 10-05-2018, 12:58 AM

no wonder ricoh Pentax was so silent about new aps and ff dslr.
they talking/selling dlsr to Zenit

Kunzite · 10-05-2018, 01:57 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by ebk

no wonder ricoh Pentax was so silent about new aps and ff dslr.
they talking/selling dlsr to Zenit

What took you guys so long?

Mistral75 · 10-05-2018, 02:10 AM - **2 Likes**

Now we know what RIcoh Imaging will do with all the K-1 Mark I's motherboards they are collecting in the framework of their upgrade programme!

Caat · 10-05-2018, 02:23 AM

In Russia, is there a great deal of sentimentality about Russian brands? I always get the impression that Russia is very proud of it's past, could this be used to hawk re-branded Japanese and German cameras?

juristkostya · 10-05-2018, 03:37 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Caat

In Russia, is there a great deal of sentimentality about Russian brands? I always get the impression that Russia is very proud of it's past,

only in words.
If earnings allow, Russian will always prefer the original German / Japanese / American goods.

ogl · 10-05-2018, 04:21 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Caat

In Russia, is there a great deal of sentimentality about Russian brands? I always get the impression that Russia is very proud of it's past, could this be used to hawk re-branded Japanese and German cameras?

As for me, it's silly to be proud of past. It's normal to be proud of anything really good which useful for all humanity. People are different, somebody feel nostalgic for past, somebody want to look ahead... Somebody like all Soviet. Somebody don't like USSR...
The truth is between as usual....

)) Different time could bring really bad and really good events, things and developments.

To say honest, the most original things from Russia are weapon. Sad, but true. If we say about things. It's good made and real realization of smart brains.
The rest good things are display of spiritual and art culture. It's mental things.

As for photo gears or cars, alas!...it's rather special and another level things. Not close to Western or Eastern models...
I have no any nostalgia for Zenit

...I have Zenit-B and Zenit-E (semi-work), Smena 8M...It's my childhood. Yes. But it's really nothing special as photo gear. Very simple and it can make photos - it's all.

Mistral75 · 10-05-2018, 04:47 AM - **2 Likes**

OK, this is a mere rumour from an unknown source, nothing tells us there is actually any substance in it and, even if there were, it could materialise, or not, since the KMZ representative told to RIA News (РИА Новости) during Photokina that 'We will analyze the experience and decide which camera will be next, perhaps it will be an SLR camera, and perhaps a more advanced rangefinder camera.'

Let's assume KMZ actually intends to launch a Zenit-branded DSLR camera. Since they ceased camera production around 2005, they would need a partner, as they needed one for the Zenit M rangefinder camera. In my opinion Ricoh Imaging would be the best possible partner, should KMZ intend to launch an APS-C or 24x36 DSLR (they could team up with Leica and rebrand an older Leica S as medium-format DSLR but that would be the niche within the niche):

I don't imagine Canon or Nikon bothering to manufacture 500 or 1,000 units of a restyled version of one of their cameras.
Such volume would be more in line with Ricoh Imaging's production volumes, in particular if the Zenit K were to be assembled together with the 645Z and not on the main K-1 II assembly line.
A Zenit K would bring more awareness about the K-mount, using hype and nostalgia.
A Zenit K would add to the K-mount lens line-up since the main purpose of KMZ in these ventures is to sell more lenses, in particular newly designed ones.
Assembling the Zenit K from K-1 components would bring additional money to Ricoh Imaging without having any impact on their own projects under development.
A Zenit K based on K-1 'Mark I' and produced in a few hundred or thousand units (Zenit M: based on 2014-launched Leica M Typ 240, 500 units) would be an elegant way for Ricoh Imaging to reuse the K-1 mainboards they are currently collecting from the K-1 update programme. This would allow them, as subcontractors, to propose an attractive price to KMZ whilst still making money out of the project.

What do you think?

D1N0 · 10-05-2018, 04:52 AM - **1 Like**

When russian nostalgia should be the Saviour of K-mount I think that Pentax is Doomed™

Mistral75 · 10-05-2018, 04:58 AM

Not the Saviour but an enjoyable supplement of income and awareness.

Definitely not a 'must have', but nice to have.

lytrytyr · 10-05-2018, 05:09 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by Mistral75

the KMZ representative told to RIA News (РИА Новости) during Photokina that 'We will analyze the experience and decide which camera will be next

This sounds so much like the familiar Ricoh line,
"No specific product is planned at the moment, but we are looking into possibilities,"
that they must be working together!

**fs999** · 10-05-2018, 05:11 AM

Originally posted by lytrytyr

This sounds so much like the familiar Ricoh line,
"No specific product is planned at the moment, but we are looking into possibilities,"
that they must be working together!

*

ogl · 10-05-2018, 05:35 AM

Originally posted by Mistral75

[/LIST]What do you think?

strange fantasies...

Mistral75 · 10-05-2018, 05:40 AM

Originally posted by ogl

strange fantasies...

Party pooper!

10-05-2018, 04:21 AM - 1 Like	#53
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by Caat In Russia, is there a great deal of sentimentality about Russian brands? I always get the impression that Russia is very proud of it's past, could this be used to hawk re-branded Japanese and German cameras? As for me, it's silly to be proud of past. It's normal to be proud of anything really good which useful for all humanity. People are different, somebody feel nostalgic for past, somebody want to look ahead... Somebody like all Soviet. Somebody don't like USSR... The truth is between as usual....)) Different time could bring really bad and really good events, things and developments. To say honest, the most original things from Russia are weapon. Sad, but true. If we say about things. It's good made and real realization of smart brains. The rest good things are display of spiritual and art culture. It's mental things. As for photo gears or cars, alas!...it's rather special and another level things. Not close to Western or Eastern models... I have no any nostalgia for Zenit ...I have Zenit-B and Zenit-E (semi-work), Smena 8M...It's my childhood. Yes. But it's really nothing special as photo gear. Very simple and it can make photos - it's all.

10-05-2018, 04:47 AM - 2 Likes	#54
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	OK, this is a mere rumour from an unknown source, nothing tells us there is actually any substance in it and, even if there were, it could materialise, or not, since the KMZ representative told to RIA News (РИА Новости) during Photokina that 'We will analyze the experience and decide which camera will be next, perhaps it will be an SLR camera, and perhaps a more advanced rangefinder camera.' Let's assume KMZ actually intends to launch a Zenit-branded DSLR camera. Since they ceased camera production around 2005, they would need a partner, as they needed one for the Zenit M rangefinder camera. In my opinion Ricoh Imaging would be the best possible partner, should KMZ intend to launch an APS-C or 24x36 DSLR (they could team up with Leica and rebrand an older Leica S as medium-format DSLR but that would be the niche within the niche): I don't imagine Canon or Nikon bothering to manufacture 500 or 1,000 units of a restyled version of one of their cameras. Such volume would be more in line with Ricoh Imaging's production volumes, in particular if the Zenit K were to be assembled together with the 645Z and not on the main K-1 II assembly line. A Zenit K would bring more awareness about the K-mount, using hype and nostalgia. A Zenit K would add to the K-mount lens line-up since the main purpose of KMZ in these ventures is to sell more lenses, in particular newly designed ones. Assembling the Zenit K from K-1 components would bring additional money to Ricoh Imaging without having any impact on their own projects under development. A Zenit K based on K-1 'Mark I' and produced in a few hundred or thousand units (Zenit M: based on 2014-launched Leica M Typ 240, 500 units) would be an elegant way for Ricoh Imaging to reuse the K-1 mainboards they are currently collecting from the K-1 update programme. This would allow them, as subcontractors, to propose an attractive price to KMZ whilst still making money out of the project. What do you think?

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10-04-2018, 10:44 PM - 1 Like	#46
Trickortreat Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 561	Hoping they omit the focusing motor and make a K1000SE digital APS-C even if they cant keep the size/weight of the original

10-05-2018, 12:45 AM - 2 Likes	#47
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by davidsladek Russian government policies on their own people . It seems to me their reference book is Nineteen Eighty-Four by George Orwell. Of course, in new historical condition. I see all elements of manipulation of social mind and active using of simulacrum (especially, of 3rd and 4th levels). I clearly understand that any power does the same, but Russian government's methods of governance, controls and manipulation of minds are very special and pronounced, impudent and beyond of the Good, sly and cunning.

10-05-2018, 12:58 AM	#48
ebk Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Utrecht Posts: 148	no wonder ricoh Pentax was so silent about new aps and ff dslr. they talking/selling dlsr to Zenit

10-05-2018, 01:57 AM - 1 Like	#49
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by ebk no wonder ricoh Pentax was so silent about new aps and ff dslr. they talking/selling dlsr to Zenit What took you guys so long?

10-05-2018, 02:10 AM - 2 Likes	#50
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Now we know what RIcoh Imaging will do with all the K-1 Mark I's motherboards they are collecting in the framework of their upgrade programme!

10-05-2018, 02:23 AM	#51
Caat Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: United Kingdom Photos: Albums Posts: 927	In Russia, is there a great deal of sentimentality about Russian brands? I always get the impression that Russia is very proud of it's past, could this be used to hawk re-branded Japanese and German cameras?

10-05-2018, 03:37 AM - 1 Like	#52
juristkostya Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Ukraine, Kharkov Posts: 1,225	Originally posted by Caat In Russia, is there a great deal of sentimentality about Russian brands? I always get the impression that Russia is very proud of it's past, only in words. If earnings allow, Russian will always prefer the original German / Japanese / American goods.

10-05-2018, 04:52 AM - 1 Like	#55
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	When russian nostalgia should be the Saviour of K-mount I think that Pentax is Doomed™

10-05-2018, 04:58 AM	#56
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Not the Saviour but an enjoyable supplement of income and awareness. Definitely not a 'must have', but nice to have.

10-05-2018, 05:09 AM - 2 Likes	#57
lytrytyr Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2011 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,310	Originally posted by Mistral75 the KMZ representative told to RIA News (РИА Новости) during Photokina that 'We will analyze the experience and decide which camera will be next This sounds so much like the familiar Ricoh line, "No specific product is planned at the moment, but we are looking into possibilities," that they must be working together!

10-05-2018, 05:11 AM	#58
fs999 Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Luxembourg Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,635	Originally posted by lytrytyr This sounds so much like the familiar Ricoh line, "No specific product is planned at the moment, but we are looking into possibilities," that they must be working together! *

10-05-2018, 05:35 AM	#59
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by Mistral75 [/LIST]What do you think? strange fantasies...

10-05-2018, 05:40 AM	#60
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by ogl strange fantasies... Party pooper!

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