PhotoPlus Expo 2018

zapp · 10-26-2018, 04:40 AM - **1 Like**

Was the 560 to big for the booth?

Kunzite · 10-26-2018, 06:05 AM

No 150-450 either.

**subsea** · 10-26-2018, 11:22 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

Was it the new one, with the D FA* 50mm in it?
The Japanese brochure (available for download at RI's Japanese site, lens section) was updated a while ago. The English brochure available at the same site is still the old one.

Also, there's quite a bit of marketing material being added to the Japanese sites (some of it translated into English).

The brochure was printed this month (has an October 2018 date on it). However, it does not have the new 50mm lens in it, which probably means it went to the printer before the lens was released.

Kunzite · 10-26-2018, 11:32 AM

Or they didn't translate the new brochure yet.
The Japanese brochure is also dated October. They really don't have to wait for the lens release, they have lots of material before then.

I really wish they would translate and publish more of the Japanese material in English.

texandrews · 10-26-2018, 12:09 PM

right before the K1 was released, and they had one under glass. For my part, I am relieved they have this much. I remember a few years ago when they had nothing, and once just this single table-like affair.

I expect there will be a slight bit more once they have more new stuff to show, and like Asahi Man said over at that dreaded site, don't forget that next year is the 100th anniversary...

Not a Number · 10-26-2018, 12:24 PM

At least Ricoh had a booth at PhotoPlus. There was a few years when they didn't bother.

bdery · 10-26-2018, 12:40 PM - **4 Likes**

Originally posted by subsea

Frankly, with the exception of the statement that they weren’t getting out of the APS-C business, I lean more to “didn’t know” than to “couldn’t say.”

And there you have it.

A company like Ricoh/Pentax, who has a tiny but dedicated fan base, ought to be much more forthcoming with their customers.

And a company whose sales reps repeat, every time you meet them, that they have "limited resources" should frigging do something about it.

How did Fuji make such a comeback? By using the Apple Ipod technique : put a camera in the hands of everyone who matters, convince them it's good, and let them influence others. Don't wait for the customers to come to you.

DeadJohn · 10-26-2018, 12:49 PM

Originally posted by Kunzite

...The Japanese brochure is also dated October...

Assuming we're thinking of the same Japanese brochure, it still shows a 1.7x AF teleconverter and a 2x teleconverter which have been discontinued for many years, and there's no longer any old stock available. It's not just an error in a list, the brochure includes photos and specs.

I'm not sure what's worse: no advertising, or advertising for products that can't be purchased

Kunzite · 10-26-2018, 01:19 PM

I see them on the Ricoh Imaging Store.

**subsea** · 10-26-2018, 05:03 PM

Originally posted by DeadJohn

Assuming we're thinking of the same Japanese brochure, it still shows a 1.7x AF teleconverter and a 2x teleconverter which have been discontinued for many years, and there's no longer any old stock available. It's not just an error in a list, the brochure includes photos and specs.

I'm not sure what's worse: no advertising, or advertising for products that can't be purchased

The brochure that I picked up doesn’t seem to include anything that’s not currently available. For instance, there are no teleconverters listed. That being said, there’s obviously excess stock of some things still available. As I was leaving the booth after talking to them, one of the reps handed me a Pentax Remote Control D, which obviously wasn’t in the brochure!

**monochrome** · 10-26-2018, 05:43 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by subsea

Frankly, with the exception of the statement that they weren’t getting out of the APS-C business, I lean more to “didn’t know” than to “couldn’t say.”

If there is something APSc in the pipeline for CP+ and spring shipping there must be people testing production prototypes under NDA now. Classic ‘Those who talk don’t know’ scenario. The absence of an outright denial . . .

Yeah, I know, grasping at straws.

reh321 · 10-26-2018, 05:52 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

Yeah, I know, grasping at straws.

I hope you are not.

mee · 10-26-2018, 06:51 PM

Originally posted by bdery

And there you have it.

A company like Ricoh/Pentax, who has a tiny but dedicated fan base, ought to be much more forthcoming with their customers.

And a company whose sales reps repeat, every time you meet them, that they have "limited resources" should frigging do something about it.

How did Fuji make such a comeback? By using the Apple Ipod technique : put a camera in the hands of everyone who matters, convince them it's good, and let them influence others. Don't wait for the customers to come to you.

Ricoh still seems to have a very old style mentality to their business it seems.. at least as far as leading customers down the primrose path... or maybe just in the dark and expecting them to stick around no matter what. But, more and more, I get the impression that Pentax is just a hobby for Ricoh.. a brand with a lot of history and a national pride for Japan to keep going for the sake of keeping it going. They'll get to whatever they get to whenever they feel like getting to it. That seems to be the train of thought imo..

JPT · 10-26-2018, 06:53 PM

Originally posted by DeadJohn

Assuming we're thinking of the same Japanese brochure, it still shows a 1.7x AF teleconverter and a 2x teleconverter which have been discontinued for many years, and there's no longer any old stock available. It's not just an error in a list, the brochure includes photos and specs.

I'm not sure what's worse: no advertising, or advertising for products that can't be purchased

This is the Japanese brochure you are referring to. http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/japan/support/catalog/pdf/lenses_accessories.pdf

The teleconverters shown on p.20 are available in Japan, so it isn't a mistake. This shop has them all in stock. https://www.fujiya-camera.jp/shopbrand/056/004/Y/page2/recommend/

Perhaps they are just waiting to fill that blank space on p.4 with a DFA 85mm before they go through the trouble of making another English version.

DeadJohn · 10-26-2018, 07:33 PM

Originally posted by JPT

This is the Japanese brochure you are referring to. http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/japan/support/catalog/pdf/lenses_accessories.pdf

The teleconverters shown on p.20 are available in Japan, so it isn't a mistake. This shop has them all in stock. |

Perhaps they are just waiting to fill that blank space on p.4 with a DFA 85mm before they go through the trouble of making another English version.

Thanks, that's interesting. Under Hoya and Ricoh leadership the USA part of Pentax acts as if those converters are discontinued and no longer available.

10-26-2018, 12:09 PM	#20
texandrews Moderator Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Baltimore Photos: Albums Posts: 3,390	Looks similar to several years ago.... right before the K1 was released, and they had one under glass. For my part, I am relieved they have this much. I remember a few years ago when they had nothing, and once just this single table-like affair. I expect there will be a slight bit more once they have more new stuff to show, and like Asahi Man said over at that dreaded site, don't forget that next year is the 100th anniversary...

10-26-2018, 05:03 PM	#25
subsea Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Commack, NY Posts: 2,603 Original Poster	Originally posted by DeadJohn Assuming we're thinking of the same Japanese brochure, it still shows a 1.7x AF teleconverter and a 2x teleconverter which have been discontinued for many years, and there's no longer any old stock available. It's not just an error in a list, the brochure includes photos and specs. I'm not sure what's worse: no advertising, or advertising for products that can't be purchased The brochure that I picked up doesn’t seem to include anything that’s not currently available. For instance, there are no teleconverters listed. That being said, there’s obviously excess stock of some things still available. As I was leaving the booth after talking to them, one of the reps handed me a Pentax Remote Control D, which obviously wasn’t in the brochure! Last edited by subsea; 10-27-2018 at 10:54 PM.

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10-26-2018, 04:40 AM - 1 Like	#16
zapp Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,385	Was the 560 to big for the booth?

10-26-2018, 06:05 AM	#17
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	No 150-450 either.

10-26-2018, 11:22 AM	#18
subsea Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Commack, NY Posts: 2,603 Original Poster	Originally posted by Kunzite Was it the new one, with the D FA* 50mm in it? The Japanese brochure (available for download at RI's Japanese site, lens section) was updated a while ago. The English brochure available at the same site is still the old one. Also, there's quite a bit of marketing material being added to the Japanese sites (some of it translated into English). The brochure was printed this month (has an October 2018 date on it). However, it does not have the new 50mm lens in it, which probably means it went to the printer before the lens was released.

10-26-2018, 11:32 AM	#19
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Or they didn't translate the new brochure yet. The Japanese brochure is also dated October. They really don't have to wait for the lens release, they have lots of material before then. I really wish they would translate and publish more of the Japanese material in English.

10-26-2018, 12:24 PM	#21
Not a Number Moderator Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Venice, CA Posts: 10,526	At least Ricoh had a booth at PhotoPlus. There was a few years when they didn't bother.

10-26-2018, 12:40 PM - 4 Likes	#22
bdery Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Quebec city, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,357	Originally posted by subsea Frankly, with the exception of the statement that they weren’t getting out of the APS-C business, I lean more to “didn’t know” than to “couldn’t say.” And there you have it. A company like Ricoh/Pentax, who has a tiny but dedicated fan base, ought to be much more forthcoming with their customers. And a company whose sales reps repeat, every time you meet them, that they have "limited resources" should frigging do something about it. How did Fuji make such a comeback? By using the Apple Ipod technique : put a camera in the hands of everyone who matters, convince them it's good, and let them influence others. Don't wait for the customers to come to you.

10-26-2018, 12:49 PM	#23
DeadJohn Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: New York Posts: 4,833	Originally posted by Kunzite ...The Japanese brochure is also dated October... Assuming we're thinking of the same Japanese brochure, it still shows a 1.7x AF teleconverter and a 2x teleconverter which have been discontinued for many years, and there's no longer any old stock available. It's not just an error in a list, the brochure includes photos and specs. I'm not sure what's worse: no advertising, or advertising for products that can't be purchased

10-26-2018, 01:19 PM	#24
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	I see them on the Ricoh Imaging Store.

10-26-2018, 05:43 PM - 1 Like	#26
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by subsea Frankly, with the exception of the statement that they weren’t getting out of the APS-C business, I lean more to “didn’t know” than to “couldn’t say.” If there is something APSc in the pipeline for CP+ and spring shipping there must be people testing production prototypes under NDA now. Classic ‘Those who talk don’t know’ scenario. The absence of an outright denial . . . Yeah, I know, grasping at straws.

10-26-2018, 05:52 PM	#27
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,177	Originally posted by monochrome Yeah, I know, grasping at straws. I hope you are not.

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10-26-2018, 06:51 PM	#28
mee Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 7,403	Originally posted by bdery And there you have it. A company like Ricoh/Pentax, who has a tiny but dedicated fan base, ought to be much more forthcoming with their customers. And a company whose sales reps repeat, every time you meet them, that they have "limited resources" should frigging do something about it. How did Fuji make such a comeback? By using the Apple Ipod technique : put a camera in the hands of everyone who matters, convince them it's good, and let them influence others. Don't wait for the customers to come to you. Ricoh still seems to have a very old style mentality to their business it seems.. at least as far as leading customers down the primrose path... or maybe just in the dark and expecting them to stick around no matter what. But, more and more, I get the impression that Pentax is just a hobby for Ricoh.. a brand with a lot of history and a national pride for Japan to keep going for the sake of keeping it going. They'll get to whatever they get to whenever they feel like getting to it. That seems to be the train of thought imo..

10-26-2018, 06:53 PM	#29
JPT Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Tokyo Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,821	Originally posted by DeadJohn Assuming we're thinking of the same Japanese brochure, it still shows a 1.7x AF teleconverter and a 2x teleconverter which have been discontinued for many years, and there's no longer any old stock available. It's not just an error in a list, the brochure includes photos and specs. I'm not sure what's worse: no advertising, or advertising for products that can't be purchased This is the Japanese brochure you are referring to. http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/japan/support/catalog/pdf/lenses_accessories.pdf The teleconverters shown on p.20 are available in Japan, so it isn't a mistake. This shop has them all in stock. https://www.fujiya-camera.jp/shopbrand/056/004/Y/page2/recommend/ Perhaps they are just waiting to fill that blank space on p.4 with a DFA 85mm before they go through the trouble of making another English version.

10-26-2018, 07:33 PM	#30
DeadJohn Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: New York Posts: 4,833	Originally posted by JPT This is the Japanese brochure you are referring to. http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/japan/support/catalog/pdf/lenses_accessories.pdf The teleconverters shown on p.20 are available in Japan, so it isn't a mistake. This shop has them all in stock. \| Perhaps they are just waiting to fill that blank space on p.4 with a DFA 85mm before they go through the trouble of making another English version. Thanks, that's interesting. Under Hoya and Ricoh leadership the USA part of Pentax acts as if those converters are discontinued and no longer available.