PhotoPlus Expo 2018

Not a Number · 10-27-2018, 01:18 AM

Originally posted by DeadJohn

Thanks, that's interesting. Under Hoya and Ricoh leadership the USA part of Pentax acts as if those converters are discontinued and no longer available.

In essence they are discontinued - in the US market.

Japanese companies always have items that aren't available on the US market. Take for instance Eneloop C and D-cells. Japanese car manufacturers have model lines you've never heard of because they aren't sold in the US.

rangercarp · 10-27-2018, 11:30 AM

From the interview now posted on the home page:
Q: As a growing number of users are becoming vocal about not wanting to compromise with the KP, is the high-end APS-C (i.e. K-3 II) product line one which will be continued?
A: This is being worked on. If you like the K-1 and some of its features, look for an APS-C offering in the not too distant future.

Read more at: PhotoPlus 2018: Pentax Interview and Report - Trade Shows | PentaxForums.com

**Larrymc** · 10-27-2018, 01:31 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by rangercarp

From the interview now posted on the home page:
Q: As a growing number of users are becoming vocal about not wanting to compromise with the KP, is the high-end APS-C (i.e. K-3 II) product line one which will be continued?
A: This is being worked on. If you like the K-1 and some of its features, look for an APS-C offering in the not too distant future.

Read more at: PhotoPlus 2018: Pentax Interview and Report - Trade Shows | PentaxForums.com

OK.....its time for the "NAY SAYERS" to start chiming in!

reh321 · 10-27-2018, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by Larrymc

OK.....its time for the "NAY SAYERS" to start chiming in!

In the absence of a K-3ii replacement, people will make comments.

totsmuyco · 10-27-2018, 05:28 PM - **1 Like**

It would be nice to see the k-3II replacement next year considering it's the 100th year anniversary. Maybe they should launch it together with the 85, 11-18 and some other good stuff.

**monochrome** · 10-27-2018, 06:38 PM - **1 Like**

Speculate on which ‘some’ of its features. Pontificate on how distant is the ‘not too distant’ future.

**Larrymc** · 10-27-2018, 06:50 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by reh321

In the absence of a K-3ii replacement, people will make comments.

RE, Even if the camera were out they would still be grousing about something miniscule.

**Larrymc** · 10-27-2018, 06:51 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

Speculate on which ‘some’ of its features. Pontificate on how distant is the ‘not too distant’ future.

Yep, for sure!

reh321 · 10-27-2018, 07:02 PM

Originally posted by Larrymc

RE, Even if the camera were out they would still be grousing about something miniscule.

But at least they would have something to spend their money on.

**Larrymc** · 10-27-2018, 07:36 PM

Originally posted by reh321

But at least they would have something to spend their money on.

That too will come to pass, just keep your money dry, my friend!

mee · 10-27-2018, 07:49 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Larrymc

RE, Even if the camera were out they would still be grousing about something miniscule.

Yet grousing about theoretical grousing from a vague, undefined party is still grousing too. kettle, pot dilemma

**monochrome** · 10-27-2018, 07:55 PM - **4 Likes**

Originally posted by Larrymc

RE, Even if the camera were out they would still be grousing about something miniscule.

And the inevitable EVF terrorists would bomb every thread..

RonHendriks1966 · 10-28-2018, 12:47 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by monochrome

Speculate on which ‘some’ of its features. Pontificate on how distant is the ‘not too distant’ future.

Well that future could be the accelerate processor.

On how soon? Well it is an old company. Almost 100 years! So anything within the next 5 years is actually very soon.

**RobA_Oz** · 10-28-2018, 01:46 AM - **1 Like**

For myself, I’m not fussed about the timing of the next high-end APS-C body, because I’m happy with my K-1, and my K-3 performs well enough for my needs in the areas I use it for, now.

However, I think it’s worth reflecting that the absence of good, leading-edge and affordable DSLR bodies will only spur the growth of MILC sales, even if the reality is that there isn’t much to choose between the current competing systems, simply because the MILC technology will appeal for its novelty. Over time, fewer DSLR sales will inevitably lead to the development of more MILC systems, thereby reinforcing the decline of DSLRs. Canon and Nikon aren’t exactly falling over themselves to help in the APS-C segment, and they’re the market leaders.

So, for the sake of maintaining a choice for the future, I really hope that this delay in developing the next APS-C Pentax body will result in something that pushes the technology forward and helps maintain the relevance of DSLRs. If it’s that much better than the K-3, for me, I’ll probably invest there, rather than wait for the next K-1 development.

texandrews · 10-28-2018, 06:23 AM - **1 Like**

Well, here's my speculation:

In the near and medium future, which is all anybody can really talk about, I believe that Pentax will remain more or less the company they are today. Cautious, somewhat conservative, making products that are actually very, very good ; if you don't count video, which clearly Pentax isn't that interested in---except in Theta. More on that in a moment.

Obviously they can make a really good camera body. I am very well satisfied with my Z and my now upgraded K1. I guess it's not a mkII, so maybe a U2?

I am well satisfied with all of my Pentax lenses, although the 645 45 needs a refresh, as well as the 33-55 which I don't have. But it is obvious here also that they can design good lenses.

I am quite satisfied with my Pentax flashes. And other accessories. I wish they did more with radio triggers.

And I can hardly complain about Pentax's price points!!!! Good gawd. Yes the medium format lenses are pricey, but not inordinately so all things properly considered.

I am pretty darn certain that there's nothing in my Pentax gear that is really holding back my photography except tethering. This would be very handy to me in some situations, but it's not a deal buster at all. So, the significant problems with all of my photography have to do with me. Everyone else can speak for themselves.

I think the Pentax people in Japan see things as I do. That is why I don't anticipate some big surprise or change from Pentax. Seems to me they have shown us for years who they are, with no duplicity. How you feel about that should govern whether Pentax is the right fit for you. Expecting them to suddenly be different than they are seems odd to me. In fact , the way Pentax is different is appealing to me. I am only frustrated that they can't seem to get out of the starting blocks with their marketing in general and outreach to existing users.

The wild card to me is what Ricoh has been up to with the Theta. That device's tech has many applications, commercial and consumer, and that seems to me the logical working platform for R&D into computational photography, the latest and in many ways most interesting area. As has been explained elsewhere, we are reaching some limits with what can be done with sensors and optics alone. The phone people hit this wall first for obvious reasons, but that bell has begun to toll for full size cameras as well, the new 100-150mp medium format sensors notwithstanding. And we may well begin seeing the newest tech in the APSC realm, although the new ubiquity of FF (think back about 10-12 years and consider how remarkable this is!) perhaps means it will happen there.

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10-27-2018, 01:18 AM	#31
Not a Number Moderator Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Venice, CA Posts: 10,526	Originally posted by DeadJohn Thanks, that's interesting. Under Hoya and Ricoh leadership the USA part of Pentax acts as if those converters are discontinued and no longer available. In essence they are discontinued - in the US market. Japanese companies always have items that aren't available on the US market. Take for instance Eneloop C and D-cells. Japanese car manufacturers have model lines you've never heard of because they aren't sold in the US.

10-27-2018, 11:30 AM	#32
rangercarp Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Southern Michigan Posts: 437	From the interview now posted on the home page: Q: As a growing number of users are becoming vocal about not wanting to compromise with the KP, is the high-end APS-C (i.e. K-3 II) product line one which will be continued? A: This is being worked on. If you like the K-1 and some of its features, look for an APS-C offering in the not too distant future. Read more at: PhotoPlus 2018: Pentax Interview and Report - Trade Shows \| PentaxForums.com

10-27-2018, 01:31 PM - 1 Like	#33
Larrymc Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Mississippi, USA Posts: 5,252	Originally posted by rangercarp From the interview now posted on the home page: Q: As a growing number of users are becoming vocal about not wanting to compromise with the KP, is the high-end APS-C (i.e. K-3 II) product line one which will be continued? A: This is being worked on. If you like the K-1 and some of its features, look for an APS-C offering in the not too distant future. Read more at: PhotoPlus 2018: Pentax Interview and Report - Trade Shows \| PentaxForums.com OK.....its time for the "NAY SAYERS" to start chiming in!

10-27-2018, 01:43 PM	#34
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,184	Originally posted by Larrymc OK.....its time for the "NAY SAYERS" to start chiming in! In the absence of a K-3ii replacement, people will make comments.

10-27-2018, 05:28 PM - 1 Like	#35
totsmuyco Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Iloilo City Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,276	It would be nice to see the k-3II replacement next year considering it's the 100th year anniversary. Maybe they should launch it together with the 85, 11-18 and some other good stuff.

10-27-2018, 06:50 PM - 1 Like	#37
Larrymc Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Mississippi, USA Posts: 5,252	Originally posted by reh321 In the absence of a K-3ii replacement, people will make comments. RE, Even if the camera were out they would still be grousing about something miniscule.

10-27-2018, 06:51 PM	#38
Larrymc Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Mississippi, USA Posts: 5,252	Originally posted by monochrome Speculate on which ‘some’ of its features. Pontificate on how distant is the ‘not too distant’ future. Yep, for sure!

10-27-2018, 07:02 PM	#39
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,184	Originally posted by Larrymc RE, Even if the camera were out they would still be grousing about something miniscule. But at least they would have something to spend their money on.

10-27-2018, 07:36 PM	#40
Larrymc Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Mississippi, USA Posts: 5,252	Originally posted by reh321 But at least they would have something to spend their money on. That too will come to pass, just keep your money dry, my friend!

10-27-2018, 07:49 PM - 1 Like	#41
mee Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 7,403	Originally posted by Larrymc RE, Even if the camera were out they would still be grousing about something miniscule. Yet grousing about theoretical grousing from a vague, undefined party is still grousing too. kettle, pot dilemma

10-27-2018, 07:55 PM - 4 Likes	#42
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by Larrymc RE, Even if the camera were out they would still be grousing about something miniscule. And the inevitable EVF terrorists would bomb every thread..

10-28-2018, 12:47 AM - 1 Like	#43
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by monochrome Speculate on which ‘some’ of its features. Pontificate on how distant is the ‘not too distant’ future. Well that future could be the accelerate processor. On how soon? Well it is an old company. Almost 100 years! So anything within the next 5 years is actually very soon.

10-28-2018, 01:46 AM - 1 Like	#44
RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,209	For myself, I’m not fussed about the timing of the next high-end APS-C body, because I’m happy with my K-1, and my K-3 performs well enough for my needs in the areas I use it for, now. However, I think it’s worth reflecting that the absence of good, leading-edge and affordable DSLR bodies will only spur the growth of MILC sales, even if the reality is that there isn’t much to choose between the current competing systems, simply because the MILC technology will appeal for its novelty. Over time, fewer DSLR sales will inevitably lead to the development of more MILC systems, thereby reinforcing the decline of DSLRs. Canon and Nikon aren’t exactly falling over themselves to help in the APS-C segment, and they’re the market leaders. So, for the sake of maintaining a choice for the future, I really hope that this delay in developing the next APS-C Pentax body will result in something that pushes the technology forward and helps maintain the relevance of DSLRs. If it’s that much better than the K-3, for me, I’ll probably invest there, rather than wait for the next K-1 development.

10-28-2018, 06:23 AM - 1 Like	#45
texandrews Moderator Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Baltimore Photos: Albums Posts: 3,397	Well, here's my speculation: In the near and medium future, which is all anybody can really talk about, I believe that Pentax will remain more or less the company they are today. Cautious, somewhat conservative, making products that are actually very, very good ; if you don't count video, which clearly Pentax isn't that interested in---except in Theta. More on that in a moment. Obviously they can make a really good camera body. I am very well satisfied with my Z and my now upgraded K1. I guess it's not a mkII, so maybe a U2? I am well satisfied with all of my Pentax lenses, although the 645 45 needs a refresh, as well as the 33-55 which I don't have. But it is obvious here also that they can design good lenses. I am quite satisfied with my Pentax flashes. And other accessories. I wish they did more with radio triggers. And I can hardly complain about Pentax's price points!!!! Good gawd. Yes the medium format lenses are pricey, but not inordinately so all things properly considered. I am pretty darn certain that there's nothing in my Pentax gear that is really holding back my photography except tethering. This would be very handy to me in some situations, but it's not a deal buster at all. So, the significant problems with all of my photography have to do with me. Everyone else can speak for themselves. I think the Pentax people in Japan see things as I do. That is why I don't anticipate some big surprise or change from Pentax. Seems to me they have shown us for years who they are, with no duplicity. How you feel about that should govern whether Pentax is the right fit for you. Expecting them to suddenly be different than they are seems odd to me. In fact , the way Pentax is different is appealing to me. I am only frustrated that they can't seem to get out of the starting blocks with their marketing in general and outreach to existing users. The wild card to me is what Ricoh has been up to with the Theta. That device's tech has many applications, commercial and consumer, and that seems to me the logical working platform for R&D into computational photography, the latest and in many ways most interesting area. As has been explained elsewhere, we are reaching some limits with what can be done with sensors and optics alone. The phone people hit this wall first for obvious reasons, but that bell has begun to toll for full size cameras as well, the new 100-150mp medium format sensors notwithstanding. And we may well begin seeing the newest tech in the APSC realm, although the new ubiquity of FF (think back about 10-12 years and consider how remarkable this is!) perhaps means it will happen there.