New zoom 70-200 F4

Mistral75 · 10-20-2019, 01:02 PM - **1 Like**

Let's have a look at the various RRPs at launch of recent 70-200ish f/4 lenses:

Tamron 70-210mm f/4 Di VC USD (February 2018): $799
Tokina AT-X 70-200mm f/4 PRO FX VCM-S (May 2014): $899
Canon EF 70-200mm f/4L IS II USM (June 2018): $1,299
Nikon AF-S Nikkor 70-200mm f/4G ED VR (October 2012): $1,399
Sony FE 70-200mm f/4 G OSS (February 2014): $1,499
Panasonic Lumix S Pro 70-200mm f/4 OIS (February 2019): $1,699

The HD Pentax-D FA 70-200mm f/4 will most certainly be more expensive than third-party lenses and among the cheapest OEM lenses. Something between $999 and $1,199 I would say, with a guesstimate close to the lower end of the range.

**Rondec** · 10-20-2019, 01:42 PM

Originally posted by Serkevan

The Canon 70-200/4 is 40% cheaper compared to the 2.8 version ($1300 vs 2100) and it's still a pretty expensive L lens. That is not the league it will be in.

But if we assume that it will be 60 percent of the cost of the DFA *70-200 then street price after a few months will be around 1000 dollars. Maybe a hair more. That seems right to me assuming good optics, small size (relatively speaking) and fast auto focus.

**Mikesul** · 10-20-2019, 01:48 PM

Originally posted by Serkevan

The Canon 70-200/4 is 40% cheaper compared to the 2.8 version ($1300 vs 2100) and it's still a pretty expensive L lens. That is not the league it will be in.

By league I was clearly referring to FF vs crop.

northcoastgreg · 10-20-2019, 02:31 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Serkevan

The Canon 70-200/4 is 40% cheaper compared to the 2.8 version ($1300 vs 2100) and it's still a pretty expensive L lens. That is not the league it will be in.

Why won't it be in the league of the Canon? Because it's not a star lens? The DFA 150-450 is very much in the league of the Canon 100-400 L, but the DFA zoom is not a star lens either. Don't be fooled by the fact that the DFA 70-200/4 won't be a star lens. That doesn't mean it won't be as good as the Nikon, Canon and Sony versions. And it will likely be priced accordingly.

If you're looking for a cheaper DFA telephoto zoom, hold off for the DFA 70-300, which I would guess will be priced somewhere between $600 and $800.

**Serkevan** · 10-20-2019, 02:49 PM

Originally posted by northcoastgreg

Why won't it be in the league of the Canon? Because it's not a star lens?

I'm saying it will not be in the league (price-wise, at least) of the DFA* 70-200/2.8. Which, incidentally, is 500 dollars cheaper than the Canon 70-200/2.8 IS (either versions II or III). The only Canon 70-200/2.8 that sells cheaper than the DFA is the 1995 version without IS at $1300.

Optically, of course I fully expect it to match the 20-year old design of the Canon 70-200/4. I am really not concerned about the optical quality since I know Pentax will deliver, I just want it under 700 grams and weather sealed.

Originally posted by Mikesul

By league I was clearly referring to FF vs crop.

When one says "league" normally they talk within the same format. In any case, there are crop lenses priced higher than not-so-premium FF counterparts (The Sony 16-55/2.8 is substantially more expensive than the FF 24-70/4, and the same price as the 24-105/4).

While it's true that a given FF lens will always be more expensive than the *same* APS-C lens, the question of "how much" depends on a number of other factors (and the comparison is anyway irrelevant unless we talk about equivalent lenses).

northcoastgreg · 10-20-2019, 03:19 PM

Originally posted by Serkevan

I'm saying it will not be in the league (price-wise, at least) of the DFA* 70-200/2.8. Which, incidentally, is 500 dollars cheaper than the Canon 70-200/2.8 IS (either versions II or III).

But you're comparing what the price of the DFA 70-200/2.8 is now, which is significantly lower than its MSRP (which was $2299). When the f4 version is released, it will be at an MSRP price, which is nearly always somewhat, or perhaps even significantly, higher than the price of older lenses.

**Serkevan** · 10-21-2019, 12:00 AM

Originally posted by northcoastgreg

But you're comparing what the price of the DFA 70-200/2.8 is now, which is significantly lower than its MSRP (which was $2299). When the f4 version is released, it will be at an MSRP price, which is nearly always somewhat, or perhaps even significantly, higher than the price of older lenses.

Aha, I was checking the lens database and it said the MSRP was 1799. Same as the in-depth review and everything else I found.

Mistral75 · 10-21-2019, 12:49 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Serkevan

Aha, I was checking the lens database and it said the MSRP was 1799. Same as the in-depth review and everything else I found.

D FA* 70-200mm F2.8 US Price Reduced - Deals and Savings | PentaxForums.com

**Serkevan** · 10-21-2019, 01:17 AM

Oh, I hadn't seen that. So it went down $500 roughly 5 months after release (and the Lens Database insists on "$1796 at launch"). More or less coinciding with the release of the K-1, actually.

Mistral75 · 10-21-2019, 03:23 AM

The HD Pentax-D FA★ 70-200mm f/2.8 ED DC AW was delayed several times, to the point of being released one year behind schedule. Its price went down $500 when it was actually released: the report linked above is from the 16th of March, 2016 and the first copies were delivered on the 18th of March.

$1,799 was coherent with the European RRP announced almost one year before (€1,999), $2,299 was not. The European RRP didn't move.

**Serkevan** · 10-21-2019, 03:47 AM

Aha, that explains a lot (and clears the confusion surrounding the initial pricing). Thanks for the info, as usual

Mistral75 · 10-21-2019, 03:49 AM

You're welcome!

D1N0 · 10-21-2019, 04:01 AM

The 70-200 2.8 This lens costs €2299 not 2000. Currently there is a 10% discount because of 100 year Pentax.

**Serkevan** · 10-21-2019, 04:13 AM

Originally posted by D1N0

The 70-200 2.8 This lens costs €2299 not 2000. Currently there is a 10% discount because of 100 year Pentax.

It is 1771€ in Spanish Amazon. Pricing, as usual, depends on country.

D1N0 · 10-21-2019, 04:25 AM

There are always deals to be found but the EU price is 2299 HD PENTAX-D FA* 70-200mm F/2,8 ED DC AW

10-20-2019, 01:02 PM - 1 Like	#706
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Let's have a look at the various RRPs at launch of recent 70-200ish f/4 lenses: Tamron 70-210mm f/4 Di VC USD (February 2018): $799 Tokina AT-X 70-200mm f/4 PRO FX VCM-S (May 2014): $899 Canon EF 70-200mm f/4L IS II USM (June 2018): $1,299 Nikon AF-S Nikkor 70-200mm f/4G ED VR (October 2012): $1,399 Sony FE 70-200mm f/4 G OSS (February 2014): $1,499 Panasonic Lumix S Pro 70-200mm f/4 OIS (February 2019): $1,699 The HD Pentax-D FA 70-200mm f/4 will most certainly be more expensive than third-party lenses and among the cheapest OEM lenses. Something between $999 and $1,199 I would say, with a guesstimate close to the lower end of the range.

10-21-2019, 03:23 AM	#715
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	The HD Pentax-D FA★ 70-200mm f/2.8 ED DC AW was delayed several times, to the point of being released one year behind schedule. Its price went down $500 when it was actually released: the report linked above is from the 16th of March, 2016 and the first copies were delivered on the 18th of March. $1,799 was coherent with the European RRP announced almost one year before (€1,999), $2,299 was not. The European RRP didn't move. Last edited by Mistral75; 10-21-2019 at 03:49 AM.

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10-20-2019, 01:42 PM	#707
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,652	Originally posted by Serkevan The Canon 70-200/4 is 40% cheaper compared to the 2.8 version ($1300 vs 2100) and it's still a pretty expensive L lens. That is not the league it will be in. But if we assume that it will be 60 percent of the cost of the DFA *70-200 then street price after a few months will be around 1000 dollars. Maybe a hair more. That seems right to me assuming good optics, small size (relatively speaking) and fast auto focus.

10-20-2019, 01:48 PM	#708
Mikesul Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 7,594	Originally posted by Serkevan The Canon 70-200/4 is 40% cheaper compared to the 2.8 version ($1300 vs 2100) and it's still a pretty expensive L lens. That is not the league it will be in. By league I was clearly referring to FF vs crop.

10-20-2019, 02:31 PM - 1 Like	#709
northcoastgreg Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Northern Michigan Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,173	Originally posted by Serkevan The Canon 70-200/4 is 40% cheaper compared to the 2.8 version ($1300 vs 2100) and it's still a pretty expensive L lens. That is not the league it will be in. Why won't it be in the league of the Canon? Because it's not a star lens? The DFA 150-450 is very much in the league of the Canon 100-400 L, but the DFA zoom is not a star lens either. Don't be fooled by the fact that the DFA 70-200/4 won't be a star lens. That doesn't mean it won't be as good as the Nikon, Canon and Sony versions. And it will likely be priced accordingly. If you're looking for a cheaper DFA telephoto zoom, hold off for the DFA 70-300, which I would guess will be priced somewhere between $600 and $800.

10-20-2019, 02:49 PM	#710
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Originally posted by northcoastgreg Why won't it be in the league of the Canon? Because it's not a star lens? I'm saying it will not be in the league (price-wise, at least) of the *DFA 70-200/2.8. Which, incidentally, is 500 dollars cheaper than the Canon 70-200/2.8 IS (either versions II or III). The only Canon 70-200/2.8 that sells cheaper than the DFA is the 1995** version without IS at $1300. Optically, of course I fully expect it to match the 20-year old design of the Canon 70-200/4. I am really not concerned about the optical quality since I know Pentax will deliver, I just want it under 700 grams and weather sealed. Originally posted by Mikesul By league I was clearly referring to FF vs crop. When one says "league" normally they talk within the same format. In any case, there are crop lenses priced higher than not-so-premium FF counterparts (The Sony 16-55/2.8 is substantially more expensive than the FF 24-70/4, and the same price as the 24-105/4). While it's true that a given FF lens will always be more expensive than the same APS-C lens, the question of "how much" depends on a number of other factors (and the comparison is anyway irrelevant unless we talk about equivalent lenses).

10-20-2019, 03:19 PM	#711
northcoastgreg Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Northern Michigan Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,173	Originally posted by Serkevan I'm saying it will not be in the league (price-wise, at least) of the DFA* 70-200/2.8. Which, incidentally, is 500 dollars cheaper than the Canon 70-200/2.8 IS (either versions II or III). But you're comparing what the price of the DFA 70-200/2.8 is now, which is significantly lower than its MSRP (which was $2299). When the f4 version is released, it will be at an MSRP price, which is nearly always somewhat, or perhaps even significantly, higher than the price of older lenses.

10-21-2019, 12:00 AM	#712
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Originally posted by northcoastgreg But you're comparing what the price of the DFA 70-200/2.8 is now, which is significantly lower than its MSRP (which was $2299). When the f4 version is released, it will be at an MSRP price, which is nearly always somewhat, or perhaps even significantly, higher than the price of older lenses. Aha, I was checking the lens database and it said the MSRP was 1799. Same as the in-depth review and everything else I found.

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Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by Serkevan Aha, I was checking the lens database and it said the MSRP was 1799. Same as the in-depth review and everything else I found. D FA* 70-200mm F2.8 US Price Reduced - Deals and Savings \| PentaxForums.com

10-21-2019, 01:17 AM	#714
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Oh, I hadn't seen that. So it went down $500 roughly 5 months after release (and the Lens Database insists on "$1796 at launch"). More or less coinciding with the release of the K-1, actually.

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Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Aha, that explains a lot (and clears the confusion surrounding the initial pricing). Thanks for the info, as usual

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10-21-2019, 04:01 AM	#718
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	The 70-200 2.8 This lens costs €2299 not 2000. Currently there is a 10% discount because of 100 year Pentax.

10-21-2019, 04:13 AM	#719
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Originally posted by D1N0 The 70-200 2.8 This lens costs €2299 not 2000. Currently there is a 10% discount because of 100 year Pentax. It is 1771€ in Spanish Amazon. Pricing, as usual, depends on country.

10-21-2019, 04:25 AM	#720
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	There are always deals to be found but the EU price is 2299 HD PENTAX-D FA* 70-200mm F/2,8 ED DC AW