[zapp]

I know there has been zero information on this lens from Ricoh but does anyone care to speculate on whether Ricoh is holding back on it and possibly the DFA 85 to make a splash with the new camera?

Positive thinking suggests that you are correct. I don’t think this was the original release plan, but now several product could be ready simultaneously. In the most positive of all worlds the new lenses are not just presented along with the new camera, but have features allowing better performance with it, like af engine, shake reduction.

[mbukal]

Yes that would be a splash alright. The new DA*11-18 plus new DA*16-50II, DA*50-135II, and DA*60-250II would certainly be a set to build to. Combined with a new APS-C flagship to take advantage of the new lenses................... wow.

Yes how not, Pentax will only upgrade the APSC lens format, , in that format at least it has the full range covered for professionals ie: 11-18 / 16-50 / 50-135 / 60-250 and in a premium * series that is well complemented by the excellent for advanced users: HD 10--17 / DA12-24 / HD20-40 / DA16-85 /DA17-70/ HD55-300PLM as well as beginners: DA10-70 /18-55/ 18-135 / 18-270 / 50-200 / HD55 -300,
where there are holes for both professionals and advanced and total amateurs, a set of not just what you need but how much money you have-The choice is great!

Pentax in FF does not even have a basic series for advanced users, eg HD20-35 / 4PLM + 28-115 / 4 PLM + 70-200 / 4 PLM, as well as the lowest level eg: HD24-90 / 3,5-4, 5 + 28-200 / 3,5-5,6 + 80-320 / 4,5-5,6, there is no at all choice of lens in FF!

I wrote once before in response / writing forum members that we started hallucinating and writing nonsense around the forum when we write about lenses of any class / rank in FF format, unfortunately even after 3 years of top quality FF camera (which I adore as my own children-i enjoy being with him in society) I cannot afford assemble the set as in apsc format: 12-24 / 4 + 17-70 / 4 + HD55-300 / 4-5,8, and if necessary I used HD16-85 / 3,5-5,, 6 + YES * 16-50 + 50-135 + 60-250, therefore I had a choice I don't have in FF! , i'm angry at the pace at which Pentax builds FF lenses

[SSGGeezer]

Yes how not, Pentax will only upgrade the APSC lens format, , in that format at least it has the full range covered for professionals ie: 11-18 / 16-50 / 50-135 / 60-250 and in a premium * series that is well complemented by the excellent for advanced users: HD 10--17 / DA12-24 / HD20-40 / DA16-85 /DA17-70/ HD55-300PLM as well as beginners: DA10-70 /18-55/ 18-135 / 18-270 / 50-200 / HD55 -300,
where there are holes for both professionals and advanced and total amateurs, a set of not just what you need but how much money you have-The choice is great!

Pentax in FF does not even have a basic series for advanced users, eg HD20-35 / 4PLM + 28-115 / 4 PLM + 70-200 / 4 PLM, as well as the lowest level eg: HD24-90 / 3,5-4, 5 + 28-200 / 3,5-5,6 + 80-320 / 4,5-5,6, there is no at all choice of lens in FF!

I wrote once before in response / writing forum members that we started hallucinating and writing nonsense around the forum when we write about lenses of any class / rank in FF format, unfortunately even after 3 years of top quality FF camera (which I adore as my own children-i enjoy being with him in society) I cannot afford assemble the set as in apsc format: 12-24 / 4 + 17-70 / 4 + HD55-300 / 4-5,8, and if necessary I used HD16-85 / 3,5-5,, 6 + YES * 16-50 + 50-135 + 60-250, I had a choice I don't have in FF!

What are you really trying to say? For FF, yes, it does take some cash to get what you need, but if you add a few F* and FA* lenses, I think you have pretty much everything covered except for a Full frame TC. What is a 4+"random zoom lens'? Are you saying "Four prime lenses plus "some zoom lens"?

[mbukal]

What are you really trying to say?

i want to say i want to use full capacity lenses provided by HD DC or PLM or the new SDM (not the one from DA17-70 / 16-50 / 50-135 = slow but quiet) on the K1 in combined with really good autofocus, simply use Pentax lenses with full lungs the way new cameras can provide, i'm satisfied with the FA80-320 / 4,5-5,6 but would rather have the choice of HD 80-320 / 4,5-5,6 SDM ~ DC ~ PLM = just an example, FA * 80-200 / 2.8 this is by no means,
same as in apsc eg DA17-70 / 4 sdm in ff HD24-105 / 4 SDM ~ DC ~ PLM = just an example.
Pentax lacks a lot of lenses in the FF to be able to assemble the set as you wish, now you have a solution: take or leave without choosing the options as they are until there is a better / bigger choice ....

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[jatrax]

Pentax lacks a lot of lenses in the FF to be able to assemble the set as you wish

I think you are being a little harsh on the FF lens catalog. The lenses are largely there if you want to spend the money. We have in new FF glass 15mm through 450mm. Granted there are few primes but I disagree that primes are as necessary as they used to be. Good zooms of the DFA line are better than most available primes and certainly good enough for professional results.

No one can argue that we all wish the lens catalog was a little bigger for full frame but the range is available if you want it.

[mbukal]

I think you are being a little harsh on the FF lens catalog. The lenses are largely there if you want to spend the money. We have in new FF glass 15mm through 450mm. Granted there are few primes but I disagree that primes are as necessary as they used to be. Good zooms of the DFA line are better than most available primes and certainly good enough for professional results.

No one can argue that we all wish the lens catalog was a little bigger for full frame but the range is available if you want it.

no, i don't think i'm sharp, i think i'm realistic, there is a wonderful choice of lenses in APSC format, from 11mm to 300mm, not just one array that follows millimeters, there is literally a choice both in quality and in money.
there is no choice in FF format as there is only one array in millimeter, either take or leave (only there is little similarity for the alternate choice in 24-70 / 2.8 vs 28-105 / 3.5-5.6).
Pentax FF first lacks lenses with f4 apertures, then f2.8-4.5 or 3.5-5.6, whether you like it or not ,

I would like Pentax to focus on this FF lack of lenses because they will in addition to being necessary in FF, you definitely want to use it on APSC as well, so use 3 sides: in FF in APSC and generally for Pentax as a compatible lens system

[Mikesul]

Since the emphasis is clearly on ultimate image quality this is unlikely to happen but I think many of us would like at least a partial return to the Pentax tradition of small, compact and high quality lenses like the FA 31, 43 and 77. Of course with modern motor drives.

[WillWeaverRVA]

Since the emphasis is clearly on ultimate image quality this is unlikely to happen but I think many of us would like at least a partial return to the Pentax tradition of small, compact and high quality lenses like the FA 31, 43 and 77. Of course with modern motor drives.

Well, if the emphasis is on ultimate image quality then Ricoh would be foolish not to refresh the 31, 43, and 77. Those lenses are already legendary, optically speaking.

[house]

In terms of full frame telephoto zoom lenses there are the 70-210 f2.8, the 150-450, and that’s it, right? So two?

Add the 28-105 as something that touches telephoto and that’s still pretty thin... I’m not going to count the 24-70...

I think the proposed 70-200 f4 and 55-300-ish zoom fill that in nicely.

-Eric

You are correct about FF, They could basically add any lens without complicating the lineup. I do hope they keep it tidy and logical however.

[mbukal]

Since the emphasis is clearly on ultimate image quality this is unlikely to happen but I think many of us would like at least a partial return to the Pentax tradition of small, compact and high quality lenses like the FA 31, 43 and 77. Of course with modern motor drives.

yes, but this is a telephoto lens theme, 70-200 / 4, or something very similar millimeter with constant aperture f4, do not divert from the theme-not nice, it would be nice to have everything, but let's make basic lenses first, 50s there is a, 85s is hinted soon and 20~22 and 135 and..., neither of the is expected to be as small as FA Limited, there are now other standards of quality, not living on the old glory

[Serkevan]

The FF camera came out in 2016, with the professional trio coming right afterwards. It's obviously not quite there for amateur use, but you have to remember that the K-1 had a huge selling point in *giving old film lenses a proper digital body*. I understand the frustration, but Pentax had 15 years to build the DA lineup and that was during the "golden years" of the market.

[TwoUptons]

The FF camera came out in 2016, with the professional trio coming right afterwards. It's obviously not quite there for amateur use, but you have to remember that the K-1 had a huge selling point in *giving old film lenses a proper digital body*. I understand the frustration, but Pentax had 15 years to build the DA lineup and that was during the "golden years" of the market.

The 28-105 isn’t a pro lens...
And it needs a telephoto friend...

-Eric

[Kevin B123]

I understand the frustration, but Pentax had 15 years to build the DA lineup and that was during the "golden years" of the market.

Quite true of course. However, there is a pent up demand for this lens and I believe they will fly off the shelf when they hit the market. I doubt the stock will hang around so that will be an instant profit line.
I feel that Ricoh is cautious to ensure reliability of the lens, they cannot afford for it to go wrong, reputationally.

[jatrax]

Pentax FF first lacks lenses with f4 apertures, then f2.8-4.5 or 3.5-5.6, whether you like it or not ,

there is no choice in FF format as there is only one array in millimeter

This is true but you miss my point. The lenses are there from 15 to 450 if you want to spend the money for f/2.8 glass. What is missing is less expensive glass. And at least for the foreseeable future the less expensive glass will be for APS-C not FF. If you want to shoot Pentax FF then either use legacy glass or pay up for the f/2.8 glass.

I agree a line of f/4 glass such as the 70-200 we are discussing would be nice. But I am not sure that will happen any time soon or at all. The potential return on sales to such a small customer base is very low and possibly not economical. We have the DFA 28-105 and eventually the DFA 70-200 f/4 that is on the road map. If they would add a DFA 20-35 f/4 of similar quality that would be great. I think they will do so eventually but you might be waiting 5 years or more for that to happen.

[Mistral75]

Well, if the emphasis is on ultimate image quality then Ricoh would be foolish not to refresh the 31, 43, and 77. Those lenses are already legendary, optically speaking.

I for one wouldn't pair 'ultimate image quality' with the FA 43mm f/1.9 Limited.