DP Review puts K-1 Mark II as second worst camera of 2018

**Merv-O** · 04-01-2019, 09:56 AM

Originally posted by biz-engineer

DPR review cameras from the point of view of the mainstream camera owner, for what trigger the most camera sales on amazon. That means, cameras designed to have uncommon features aren't favorably graded by DPR.

DPR has become a marketing shill for Amazon....they support and promote products that are volume sellers. To the extent that most DSLR's are a pimple on Amazon's global sales, they will routinely rate better sellers and marketed products higher (ever see their silly "Best Cameras of 2018", etc. manufacturer sponsored ratings?). Pentax does not advertise on Amazon, therefore, DPR will rarely if ever, 'toot" its proverbial horn for Pentax products.

The K-1ii is a evolutionary step forward, that's why they labeled it "Mark ii".....but these chuckleheads can't reward it because they rarely sell it. Period.

By the way, aren't we going way far afield with this thread? The original OP wanted comments on the K-1 Mark ii. I see everything from KP to Canon to Sony, et al....

MODERATOR: Is it time to kill this thread and/or rename it-- I suggest Pentax Fawning and Bashing 101? What do you all think?

MarkJerling · 04-02-2019, 12:25 AM - **7 Likes**

Originally posted by Merv-O

DPR has become a marketing shill for Amazon....they support and promote products that are volume sellers. To the extent that most DSLR's are a pimple on Amazon's global sales, they will routinely rate better sellers and marketed products higher (ever see their silly "Best Cameras of 2018", etc. manufacturer sponsored ratings?). Pentax does not advertise on Amazon, therefore, DPR will rarely if ever, 'toot" its proverbial horn for Pentax products.

The K-1ii is a evolutionary step forward, that's why they labeled it "Mark ii".....but these chuckleheads can't reward it because they rarely sell it. Period.

By the way, aren't we going way far afield with this thread? The original OP wanted comments on the K-1 Mark ii. I see everything from KP to Canon to Sony, et al....

MODERATOR: Is it time to kill this thread and/or rename it-- I suggest Pentax Fawning and Bashing 101? What do you all think?

I think DPR is talking through their .....

This is the best camera I have ever owned.

**Larrymc** · 04-02-2019, 04:18 AM

Originally posted by MarkJerling

I think DPR is talking through their .....

This is the best camera I have ever owned.

Fabulous shot, Mark, is this one of the Mountain Top Wedding shots?

reh321 · 04-02-2019, 05:55 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by MarkJerling

I think DPR is talking through their .....

This is the best camera I have ever owned.

I'm glad to see you are making good use of your K-1ii.

**Merv-O** · 04-02-2019, 06:40 AM - **3 Likes**

MarkJerling's photo of the mountaintop wedding is an example of the quality the K-1ii produces. Even a novice in "green' mode can take excellent shots. My point is DPR ceased to be the arbiter of camera evaluation for me years ago.
They're just getting worse....in essence, they are the Fake News component of the Camera World.

reh321 · 04-02-2019, 07:08 AM

Originally posted by Merv-O

MarkJerling's photo of the mountaintop wedding is an example of the quality the K-1ii produces. Even a novice in "green' mode can take excellent shots. My point is DPR ceased to be the arbiter of camera evaluation for me years ago.
They're just getting worse....in essence, they are the Fake News component of the Camera World.

Part of the issue is that they evaluate cameras based on what they think a camera should deliver, rather than based on what Pentax aims to deliver. Their evaluations are much like Consumer Reports - whose scoring system often greatly differs from what I am looking for.

biz-engineer · 04-02-2019, 07:20 AM

Originally posted by reh321

Part of the issue is that they evaluate cameras based on what they think a camera should deliver, rather than based on what Pentax aims to deliver. Their evaluations are much like Consumer Reports - whose scoring system often greatly differs from what I am looking for.

It's a disappointment (and a problem for me) that reviews don't match reality. There is a certain amount of lies being propagated in the camera market. I've read that the Nikon Z 24-70 S is such as sharp lens: when I look at test charts, it happens to be no better than DSLR lenses of the same kind. I think we have be told lies.

Last edited by biz-engineer; 04-02-2019 at 07:25 AM.

**Merv-O** · 04-02-2019, 07:21 AM

Originally posted by reh321

Part of the issue is that they evaluate cameras based on what they think a camera should deliver, rather than based on what Pentax aims to deliver. Their evaluations are much like Consumer Reports - whose scoring system often greatly differs from what I am looking for.

Reh: I agree but I think it's become worse than that. DPR is becoming mercenary to try & sell units; large volumes of cameras and Nikon/Canon/Panasonic have several price leaders. An example: A friend of mine was talking pictures with his Nikon D850 rig ($$$$) and a woman observing him approached and said, "Oh, I bought a camera just like that for my granddaughter. It came with 2 lenses and cost only $450.00--did you pay less than that?" My friend was flabbergasted and said nothing--no reason to tell a perfect stranger your Nikon Kit is $5,000.

When I'm out and about in the City with my K-1, no one asks me if I got a cheap deal on my camera because mainstreamers are not aware of Pentax per se....anyway, it's anecdotal but proves my point--Pentax doesn't market for the masses and their least expensive camera with a kit lens is at least $700.00 (K-70), Anyway, the thread, with some apologies to Tanaka-San continues...

biz-engineer · 04-02-2019, 07:41 AM

Originally posted by Merv-O

Reh: I agree but I think it's become worse than that. DPR is becoming mercenary to try & sell units; large volumes of cameras and Nikon/Canon/Panasonic have several price leaders. An example: A friend of mine was talking pictures with his Nikon D850 rig ($$$$) and a woman observing him approached and said, "Oh, I bought a camera just like that for my granddaughter. It came with 2 lenses and cost only $450.00--did you pay less than that?" My friend was flabbergasted and said nothing--no reason to tell a perfect stranger your Nikon Kit is $5,000.

The camera business is a hungry business, next year the currently hyped MILC models will be made obsolete, and the new models will bring no appreciable benefit over current models. They make previous models look obsolete to squeeze out some more money from diminishing customers.

reh321 · 04-02-2019, 07:57 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by biz-engineer

The camera business is a hungry business, next year the currently hyped MILC models will be made obsolete, and the new models will bring no appreciable benefit over current models. They make previous models look obsolete to squeeze out some more money from diminishing customers.

If you look at current lineup for sale at B&H, most likely the company will just put a new model at the top of the line, and current models will slide down one position. We have nobody other than ourselves to blame. The K-1ii was barely a year old when members here started speculating about a replacement - there is nothing wrong with the K-1ii and no compelling reason for Pentax to release a replacement right now.

**Merv-O** · 04-02-2019, 07:57 AM

Originally posted by biz-engineer

The camera business is a hungry business, next year the currently hyped MILC models will be made obsolete, and the new models will bring no appreciable benefit over current models. They make previous models look obsolete to squeeze out some more money from diminishing customers.

Totally mercenary...simply "Economic Darwinism"...

MarkJerling · 04-02-2019, 12:08 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Larrymc

Fabulous shot, Mark, is this one of the Mountain Top Wedding shots?

Thank you Larry. Yes, it is. The K-1II did a superb job.

MarkJerling · 04-02-2019, 12:10 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Merv-O

A friend of mine was talking pictures with his Nikon D850 rig ($$$$) and a woman observing him approached and said, "Oh, I bought a camera just like that for my granddaughter. It came with 2 lenses and cost only $450.00--did you pay less than that?" My friend was flabbergasted and said nothing--no reason to tell a perfect stranger your Nikon Kit is $5,000..

Love it!

Graig · 05-22-2019, 01:33 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by EssJayEff

They mainly disliked the baked-in noise reduction for RAW files, which is the exact reason I didn't pay for the upgrade.

They made such a big deal about that in their review I almost went looking for the regular k1. Glad I couldn’t find one. I am loving the k1 mark ii. I just upgraded from a k3. And this is my first full frame camera. The hardware whatever it’s doing is reducing noise. But whatever it’s doing it seems to be pretty light handed. There’s definitely less noise than the k3. But the detail is still there.

Wheatfield · 06-11-2019, 08:32 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by Graig

They made such a big deal about that in their review I almost went looking for the regular k1. Glad I couldn’t find one. I am loving the k1 mark ii. I just upgraded from a k3. And this is my first full frame camera. The hardware whatever it’s doing is reducing noise. But whatever it’s doing it seems to be pretty light handed. There’s definitely less noise than the k3. But the detail is still there.

Ironically, DPR doesn’t say much about Sony and their baked in noise reduction or their baked in lens corrections.

04-02-2019, 07:21 AM	#908
Merv-O Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Philadelphia Photos: Albums Posts: 2,098	Originally posted by reh321 Part of the issue is that they evaluate cameras based on what they think a camera should deliver, rather than based on what Pentax aims to deliver. Their evaluations are much like Consumer Reports - whose scoring system often greatly differs from what I am looking for. Reh: I agree but I think it's become worse than that. DPR is becoming mercenary to try & sell units; large volumes of cameras and Nikon/Canon/Panasonic have several price leaders. An example: A friend of mine was talking pictures with his Nikon D850 rig ($$$$) and a woman observing him approached and said, "Oh, I bought a camera just like that for my granddaughter. It came with 2 lenses and cost only $450.00--did you pay less than that?" My friend was flabbergasted and said nothing--no reason to tell a perfect stranger your Nikon Kit is $5,000. When I'm out and about in the City with my K-1, no one asks me if I got a cheap deal on my camera because mainstreamers are not aware of Pentax per se....anyway, it's anecdotal but proves my point--Pentax doesn't market for the masses and their least expensive camera with a kit lens is at least $700.00 (K-70), Anyway, the thread, with some apologies to Tanaka-San continues... Last edited by Merv-O; 04-02-2019 at 07:23 AM. Reason: missed a sentence.

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04-01-2019, 09:56 AM	#901
Merv-O Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Philadelphia Photos: Albums Posts: 2,098	Originally posted by biz-engineer DPR review cameras from the point of view of the mainstream camera owner, for what trigger the most camera sales on amazon. That means, cameras designed to have uncommon features aren't favorably graded by DPR. DPR has become a marketing shill for Amazon....they support and promote products that are volume sellers. To the extent that most DSLR's are a pimple on Amazon's global sales, they will routinely rate better sellers and marketed products higher (ever see their silly "Best Cameras of 2018", etc. manufacturer sponsored ratings?). Pentax does not advertise on Amazon, therefore, DPR will rarely if ever, 'toot" its proverbial horn for Pentax products. The K-1ii is a evolutionary step forward, that's why they labeled it "Mark ii".....but these chuckleheads can't reward it because they rarely sell it. Period. By the way, aren't we going way far afield with this thread? The original OP wanted comments on the K-1 Mark ii. I see everything from KP to Canon to Sony, et al.... MODERATOR: Is it time to kill this thread and/or rename it-- I suggest Pentax Fawning and Bashing 101? What do you all think?

04-02-2019, 04:18 AM	#903
Larrymc Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Mississippi, USA Posts: 5,251	Originally posted by MarkJerling I think DPR is talking through their ..... This is the best camera I have ever owned. Fabulous shot, Mark, is this one of the Mountain Top Wedding shots?

04-02-2019, 05:55 AM - 1 Like	#904
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,179	Originally posted by MarkJerling I think DPR is talking through their ..... This is the best camera I have ever owned. I'm glad to see you are making good use of your K-1ii.

04-02-2019, 06:40 AM - 3 Likes	#905
Merv-O Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Philadelphia Photos: Albums Posts: 2,098	MarkJerling's photo of the mountaintop wedding is an example of the quality the K-1ii produces. Even a novice in "green' mode can take excellent shots. My point is DPR ceased to be the arbiter of camera evaluation for me years ago. They're just getting worse....in essence, they are the Fake News component of the Camera World.

04-02-2019, 07:08 AM	#906
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,179	Originally posted by Merv-O MarkJerling's photo of the mountaintop wedding is an example of the quality the K-1ii produces. Even a novice in "green' mode can take excellent shots. My point is DPR ceased to be the arbiter of camera evaluation for me years ago. They're just getting worse....in essence, they are the Fake News component of the Camera World. Part of the issue is that they evaluate cameras based on what they think a camera should deliver, rather than based on what Pentax aims to deliver. Their evaluations are much like Consumer Reports - whose scoring system often greatly differs from what I am looking for.

04-02-2019, 07:20 AM	#907
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,232	Originally posted by reh321 Part of the issue is that they evaluate cameras based on what they think a camera should deliver, rather than based on what Pentax aims to deliver. Their evaluations are much like Consumer Reports - whose scoring system often greatly differs from what I am looking for. It's a disappointment (and a problem for me) that reviews don't match reality. There is a certain amount of lies being propagated in the camera market. I've read that the Nikon Z 24-70 S is such as sharp lens: when I look at test charts, it happens to be no better than DSLR lenses of the same kind. I think we have be told lies. Last edited by biz-engineer; 04-02-2019 at 07:25 AM.

04-02-2019, 07:41 AM	#909
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,232	Originally posted by Merv-O Reh: I agree but I think it's become worse than that. DPR is becoming mercenary to try & sell units; large volumes of cameras and Nikon/Canon/Panasonic have several price leaders. An example: A friend of mine was talking pictures with his Nikon D850 rig ($$$$) and a woman observing him approached and said, "Oh, I bought a camera just like that for my granddaughter. It came with 2 lenses and cost only $450.00--did you pay less than that?" My friend was flabbergasted and said nothing--no reason to tell a perfect stranger your Nikon Kit is $5,000. The camera business is a hungry business, next year the currently hyped MILC models will be made obsolete, and the new models will bring no appreciable benefit over current models. They make previous models look obsolete to squeeze out some more money from diminishing customers.

04-02-2019, 07:57 AM - 2 Likes	#910
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,179	Originally posted by biz-engineer The camera business is a hungry business, next year the currently hyped MILC models will be made obsolete, and the new models will bring no appreciable benefit over current models. They make previous models look obsolete to squeeze out some more money from diminishing customers. If you look at current lineup for sale at B&H, most likely the company will just put a new model at the top of the line, and current models will slide down one position. We have nobody other than ourselves to blame. The K-1ii was barely a year old when members here started speculating about a replacement - there is nothing wrong with the K-1ii and no compelling reason for Pentax to release a replacement right now.

04-02-2019, 07:57 AM	#911
Merv-O Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Philadelphia Photos: Albums Posts: 2,098	Originally posted by biz-engineer The camera business is a hungry business, next year the currently hyped MILC models will be made obsolete, and the new models will bring no appreciable benefit over current models. They make previous models look obsolete to squeeze out some more money from diminishing customers. Totally mercenary...simply "Economic Darwinism"...

04-02-2019, 12:08 PM - 1 Like	#912
MarkJerling Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: May 2012 Location: Wairarapa, New Zealand Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 20,406	Originally posted by Larrymc Fabulous shot, Mark, is this one of the Mountain Top Wedding shots? Thank you Larry. Yes, it is. The K-1II did a superb job.

04-02-2019, 12:10 PM - 1 Like	#913
MarkJerling Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: May 2012 Location: Wairarapa, New Zealand Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 20,406	Originally posted by Merv-O A friend of mine was talking pictures with his Nikon D850 rig ($$$$) and a woman observing him approached and said, "Oh, I bought a camera just like that for my granddaughter. It came with 2 lenses and cost only $450.00--did you pay less than that?" My friend was flabbergasted and said nothing--no reason to tell a perfect stranger your Nikon Kit is $5,000.. Love it!

05-22-2019, 01:33 PM - 1 Like	#914
Graig New Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 3	Originally posted by EssJayEff They mainly disliked the baked-in noise reduction for RAW files, which is the exact reason I didn't pay for the upgrade. They made such a big deal about that in their review I almost went looking for the regular k1. Glad I couldn’t find one. I am loving the k1 mark ii. I just upgraded from a k3. And this is my first full frame camera. The hardware whatever it’s doing is reducing noise. But whatever it’s doing it seems to be pretty light handed. There’s definitely less noise than the k3. But the detail is still there.

06-11-2019, 08:32 PM - 2 Likes	#915
Wheatfield Moderator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The wheatfields of Canada Posts: 15,981	Originally posted by Graig They made such a big deal about that in their review I almost went looking for the regular k1. Glad I couldn’t find one. I am loving the k1 mark ii. I just upgraded from a k3. And this is my first full frame camera. The hardware whatever it’s doing is reducing noise. But whatever it’s doing it seems to be pretty light handed. There’s definitely less noise than the k3. But the detail is still there. Ironically, DPR doesn’t say much about Sony and their baked in noise reduction or their baked in lens corrections.