Ricoh booth at CP+

**ffking** · 02-28-2019, 03:43 PM

Originally posted by Doundounba

It looks like maybe it's a "cover" that hangs off the hotshoe and doesn't actually replace the top prism, but just covers it?

To me that would be annoying and pointless - surely there must be something inside, maybe connecting to the hotshoe??

Doundounba · 02-28-2019, 03:50 PM

Originally posted by ffking

To me that would be annoying and pointless

I hear you! Here I was hoping for GPS. But if you look at the camera on the bottom of the pic, you can see a camera without the cover, with a matching cover beside it as well as a little metallic tab that looks like it would fit in the hotshoe. (And the back edge of that metallic tab can be seen on those KPs that do have the cover.) Sooo... Probably just a plastic cover - and one you need to remove to pop up the flash too (or use an external one), I'd reckon. It looks cool though.

Mistral75 · 02-28-2019, 04:28 PM

It's a snap-on cover, nothing more.

rawr · 02-28-2019, 07:01 PM

Originally posted by Mistral75

It's a snap-on cover, nothing more.

I am disappointed. I was hoping for a Pentax-branded version of these:

reh321 · 02-28-2019, 07:20 PM

Originally posted by rawr

I am disappointed. I was hoping for a Pentax-branded version of these:

pink ears???

Fenwoodian · 02-28-2019, 07:38 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by sculptor666

there are pictures on the japanese fb page... shows kp do-dads in several stages

.

The prototype photos you posted show a much thicker area behind the lens. We all know that IBIS requires much more space than a static sensor - but the existing KP already has IBIS. So, why the greatly increased sensor space???

Could it be to make room for a "curved image" sensor"?

As far as I know, Pentax was the first to come out with an APS-C camera with IBIS, pixel shift, GPS, and astro tracking (K3ii). Maybe they're planning another such revolutionary camera development (hence the secrecy)? Maybe the extra space is for something else than a curved sensor, maybe that something else is as impressive as the new K3ii features were?

rawr · 02-28-2019, 07:39 PM

Originally posted by reh321

pink ears???

White would do.

Better than the new KP customizations.

**monochrome** · 02-28-2019, 08:01 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Fenwoodian

.

The prototype photos you posted show a much thicker area behind the lens. We all know that IBIS requires much more space than a static sensor - but the existing KP already has IBIS. So, why the greatly increased sensor space???

Could it be to make room for a "curved image" sensor"?

As far as I know, Pentax was the first to come out with an APS-C camera with IBIS, pixel shift, GPS, and astro tracking (K3ii). Maybe they're planning another such revolutionary camera development (hence the secrecy)? Maybe the extra space is for something else than a curved sensor, maybe that something else is as impressive as the new K3ii features were?

I also think they have something up their sleeve. I just do not believe they would develop and release the DFA*70-200/2.8, DFA*50/1.4 and DA*11-18/2.8 and rest on the (D800) K-1 and KP. They keep talking about lenses developed for future sensor resolution. Does that sound like they’re not planning a super camera - or series of cameras?

biz-engineer · 02-28-2019, 08:28 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by monochrome

I also think they have something up their sleeve. I just do not believe they would develop and release the DFA*70-200/2.8, DFA*50/1.4 and DA*11-18/2.8 and rest on the (D800) K-1 and KP.

They may release only lenses for a while, simply because if you remove sport photography and video, there is nothing that the current Pentax camera models fall short of. If I look at other new milc models, they have nothing more than my Pentax K1, and sometimes even less: EOS RP for example. There is nothing that a EOS R and EOS RP that a K1 can't do (except the EOS R having less resolution, less battery life, and less keepers in AF tracking and being more expensive),.

**monochrome** · 02-28-2019, 08:38 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by biz-engineer

They may release only lenses for a while, simply because if you remove sport photography and video, there is nothing that the current Pentax camera models fall short of. If I look at other new milc models, they have nothing more than my Pentax K1, and sometimes even less: EOS RP for example. There is nothing that a EOS R and EOS RP that a K1 can't do (except the EOS R having less resolution, less battery life, and less keepers in AF tracking and being more expensive),.

Yes, I understand that. I didn’t upgrade my K-1 becaue the KP with accelerator chip is so good. I still think there are cameras under development and they will be a leap forward, not a step. Maybe Samsung. Maybe curved sensor. Maybe a universal AF sensor for all three platforms and whoa baby AF. Maybe hybrid viewfinder - for all three. Maybe 100Mp 645. Maybe a real MILC (OK, maybe not). But there’s something that they’re being very tight-lipped about and it goes beyond not saying anything becaue they don’t have anything. That idea is just silly.

biz-engineer · 02-28-2019, 11:55 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by monochrome

I still think there are cameras under development and they will be a leap forward,

Of course you are right. Engineers who design cameras are not engineers who design lenses. Camera designs, with an employment contract, don't work like 50 hours a day when Pentaxian want a new model and then do nothing when Pentaxian don't ask for a new model, it doesn't work this way. Here in this forum, people post comments as if there no camera release then the camera designer of Ricoh cross fingers and play cards all day long. So, in reality, as long as Ricoh doesn't stop the Pentax camera line, their engineers are constantly working on a new camera model: so if camera models are released more often , there will be less improvements between each model, and if there is no new model it mean the newer model will offer more significant improvements/features over the current model. But go figure how to explain that to whiners... who know if Ricoh are now working on a 100Mp 645 , or a AF montrer apsc or full frame?

**ffking** · 03-01-2019, 12:23 AM

Originally posted by Mistral75

It's a snap-on cover, nothing more.

So just something you leave off most of the time because it gets in the way of the flash and maybe even manually focusing the lens - and because it would probrbly get knocked off and lost or you'd have nowhere it put it when you took it off anyway? I thought they'd got over pointless gimmicks!

repaap · 03-01-2019, 01:54 AM - **1 Like**

I think that next camera's what are coming has been on delayed, just because of it need to be future proof. Somethign that K-1 is and K-3II and K-5. i think that something t´like we see in GRIII is going to happen in next flagships. Perhaps it was not going to happen, but market got steeper and they just still have to work with AF and SR more. They opened that jar of worms with KP and K-1II, saying that we have to start over, allthe way from algorithms. I quess that if they would not do that, it would be pointless to bring higher MP, FPS ect machine out.

edit: and who knows how deep they have to go to find real problem, processor? tiny bit inside?

edri · 03-01-2019, 02:42 AM - **1 Like**

Pentax says it will be worth the wait until 2020 for the new camera. OK, so be it, but they should give some clues as well. It is likely that some of the potential buyers would buy another camera manufacturer until then. I will wait if I know the future camera will have a hybrid (optical and electronic) viewfinder, if it will implement focus stacking with certain lenses, etc. If I do not know anything, that is In the current situation, why should I wait the new camera until 2020?

**ffking** · 03-01-2019, 02:46 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by edri

I will wait if I know the future camera will have a hybrid (optical and electronic) viewfinder, if it will implement focus stacking with certain lenses, etc.

I think perhaps that part of the problem is that companies with massively bigger R&D budgets might make a special effort to spoil the launch if they're too open about their intentions..

02-28-2019, 03:50 PM	#362
Doundounba Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Montréal QC Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,351	Originally posted by ffking To me that would be annoying and pointless I hear you! Here I was hoping for GPS. But if you look at the camera on the bottom of the pic, you can see a camera without the cover, with a matching cover beside it as well as a little metallic tab that looks like it would fit in the hotshoe. (And the back edge of that metallic tab can be seen on those KPs that do have the cover.) Sooo... Probably just a plastic cover - and one you need to remove to pop up the flash too (or use an external one), I'd reckon. It looks cool though. Last edited by Doundounba; 02-28-2019 at 04:00 PM.

02-28-2019, 07:38 PM - 1 Like	#366
Fenwoodian Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,875	Originally posted by sculptor666 there are pictures on the japanese fb page... shows kp do-dads in several stages . The prototype photos you posted show a much thicker area behind the lens. We all know that IBIS requires much more space than a static sensor - but the existing KP already has IBIS. So, why the greatly increased sensor space??? Could it be to make room for a "curved image" sensor"? As far as I know, Pentax was the first to come out with an APS-C camera with IBIS, pixel shift, GPS, and astro tracking (K3ii). Maybe they're planning another such revolutionary camera development (hence the secrecy)? Maybe the extra space is for something else than a curved sensor, maybe that something else is as impressive as the new K3ii features were? Last edited by Fenwoodian; 02-28-2019 at 07:57 PM.

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02-28-2019, 03:43 PM	#361
ffking Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Old South Wales Posts: 6,039	Originally posted by Doundounba It looks like maybe it's a "cover" that hangs off the hotshoe and doesn't actually replace the top prism, but just covers it? To me that would be annoying and pointless - surely there must be something inside, maybe connecting to the hotshoe??

02-28-2019, 04:28 PM	#363
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	It's a snap-on cover, nothing more.

02-28-2019, 07:01 PM	#364
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by Mistral75 It's a snap-on cover, nothing more. I am disappointed. I was hoping for a Pentax-branded version of these:

02-28-2019, 07:20 PM	#365
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,185	Originally posted by rawr I am disappointed. I was hoping for a Pentax-branded version of these: pink ears???

02-28-2019, 07:39 PM	#367
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by reh321 pink ears??? White would do. Better than the new KP customizations.

02-28-2019, 08:01 PM - 1 Like	#368
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by Fenwoodian . The prototype photos you posted show a much thicker area behind the lens. We all know that IBIS requires much more space than a static sensor - but the existing KP already has IBIS. So, why the greatly increased sensor space??? Could it be to make room for a "curved image" sensor"? As far as I know, Pentax was the first to come out with an APS-C camera with IBIS, pixel shift, GPS, and astro tracking (K3ii). Maybe they're planning another such revolutionary camera development (hence the secrecy)? Maybe the extra space is for something else than a curved sensor, maybe that something else is as impressive as the new K3ii features were? I also think they have something up their sleeve. I just do not believe they would develop and release the DFA70-200/2.8, DFA50/1.4 and DA11-18/2.8 and rest on the (D800) K-1 and KP. They keep talking about lenses developed for future* sensor resolution. Does that sound like they’re not planning a super camera - or series of cameras?

02-28-2019, 08:28 PM - 2 Likes	#369
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,248	Originally posted by monochrome I also think they have something up their sleeve. I just do not believe they would develop and release the DFA70-200/2.8, DFA50/1.4 and DA*11-18/2.8 and rest on the (D800) K-1 and KP. They may release only lenses for a while, simply because if you remove sport photography and video, there is nothing that the current Pentax camera models fall short of. If I look at other new milc models, they have nothing more than my Pentax K1, and sometimes even less: EOS RP for example. There is nothing that a EOS R and EOS RP that a K1 can't do (except the EOS R having less resolution, less battery life, and less keepers in AF tracking and being more expensive),.

02-28-2019, 08:38 PM - 1 Like	#370
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by biz-engineer They may release only lenses for a while, simply because if you remove sport photography and video, there is nothing that the current Pentax camera models fall short of. If I look at other new milc models, they have nothing more than my Pentax K1, and sometimes even less: EOS RP for example. There is nothing that a EOS R and EOS RP that a K1 can't do (except the EOS R having less resolution, less battery life, and less keepers in AF tracking and being more expensive),. Yes, I understand that. I didn’t upgrade my K-1 becaue the KP with accelerator chip is so good. I still think there are cameras under development and they will be a leap forward, not a step. Maybe Samsung. Maybe curved sensor. Maybe a universal AF sensor for all three platforms and whoa baby AF. Maybe hybrid viewfinder - for all three. Maybe 100Mp 645. Maybe a real MILC (OK, maybe not). But there’s something that they’re being very tight-lipped about and it goes beyond not saying anything becaue they don’t have anything. That idea is just silly.

02-28-2019, 11:55 PM - 1 Like	#371
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,248	Originally posted by monochrome I still think there are cameras under development and they will be a leap forward, Of course you are right. Engineers who design cameras are not engineers who design lenses. Camera designs, with an employment contract, don't work like 50 hours a day when Pentaxian want a new model and then do nothing when Pentaxian don't ask for a new model, it doesn't work this way. Here in this forum, people post comments as if there no camera release then the camera designer of Ricoh cross fingers and play cards all day long. So, in reality, as long as Ricoh doesn't stop the Pentax camera line, their engineers are constantly working on a new camera model: so if camera models are released more often , there will be less improvements between each model, and if there is no new model it mean the newer model will offer more significant improvements/features over the current model. But go figure how to explain that to whiners... who know if Ricoh are now working on a 100Mp 645 , or a AF montrer apsc or full frame?

03-01-2019, 12:23 AM	#372
ffking Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Old South Wales Posts: 6,039	Originally posted by Mistral75 It's a snap-on cover, nothing more. So just something you leave off most of the time because it gets in the way of the flash and maybe even manually focusing the lens - and because it would probrbly get knocked off and lost or you'd have nowhere it put it when you took it off anyway? I thought they'd got over pointless gimmicks!

03-01-2019, 01:54 AM - 1 Like	#373
repaap Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,242	I think that next camera's what are coming has been on delayed, just because of it need to be future proof. Somethign that K-1 is and K-3II and K-5. i think that something t´like we see in GRIII is going to happen in next flagships. Perhaps it was not going to happen, but market got steeper and they just still have to work with AF and SR more. They opened that jar of worms with KP and K-1II, saying that we have to start over, allthe way from algorithms. I quess that if they would not do that, it would be pointless to bring higher MP, FPS ect machine out. edit: and who knows how deep they have to go to find real problem, processor? tiny bit inside?

03-01-2019, 02:42 AM - 1 Like	#374
edri Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: walking in the air Posts: 1,315	Pentax says it will be worth the wait until 2020 for the new camera. OK, so be it, but they should give some clues as well. It is likely that some of the potential buyers would buy another camera manufacturer until then. I will wait if I know the future camera will have a hybrid (optical and electronic) viewfinder, if it will implement focus stacking with certain lenses, etc. If I do not know anything, that is In the current situation, why should I wait the new camera until 2020?

03-01-2019, 02:46 AM - 1 Like	#375
ffking Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Old South Wales Posts: 6,039	Originally posted by edri I will wait if I know the future camera will have a hybrid (optical and electronic) viewfinder, if it will implement focus stacking with certain lenses, etc. I think perhaps that part of the problem is that companies with massively bigger R&D budgets might make a special effort to spoil the launch if they're too open about their intentions..