Ricoh booth at CP+

BarneyL · 02-23-2019, 05:23 AM - **1 Like**

Quote:

Ricoh was never recognized as a good SLR brand (worse than Pentax).

On the other hand, Pentax was never recognized as a good compact camera brand (worse than Ricoh).

RonHendriks1966 · 02-23-2019, 06:06 AM

I was more thinking of a limited edition, in Silver. Wrapped up in leather box, made out of zebra skin, with a Silver Ricoh HD FA 31mm/f1.8 Ltd and a strap made of a cobra skin. Maybe 800 boxes, for only 4.999 €£$

Kunzite · 02-23-2019, 06:27 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by BarneyL

On the other hand, Pentax was never recognized as a good compact camera brand (worse than Ricoh).

I remember their compacts were quite famous, back in the film days.

**Belnan** · 02-23-2019, 06:46 AM

Originally posted by biz-engineer

Ricoh was never recognized as a good SLR brand (worse than Pentax). But dual brand is a bad idea. Ricoh should have either moved everthing under Ricoh brand or everything under Pentax name. Being small and have two brand weaken even more the brand. They've rebranded the WG series as Ricoh, but I wonder what was the value of doing this (beside internal politics).

It seems this CP+ seems to be all about Ricoh branded products. Maybe a surprise will show up.

Class A · 02-23-2019, 06:48 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by monochrome

No personal criticism intended - but Ricoh has been quite frank about what is coming (just the GRlll and the 11-18) since Photokina.

house · 02-23-2019, 06:52 AM

Originally posted by biz-engineer

Ricoh was never recognized as a good SLR brand (worse than Pentax). But dual brand is a bad idea. Ricoh should have either moved everthing under Ricoh brand or everything under Pentax name. Being small and have two brand weaken even more the brand. They've rebranded the WG series as Ricoh, but I wonder what was the value of doing this (beside internal politics).

To me the dual brand strategy makes sense. I've said it before in regards to milcs that Ricoh is a very strong quirky 'modernist' camera brand whilst Pentax is a quirky 'mechanical' camera brand. They are strangely similar in their single mindedness but have imho quite different qualities. They could in time evolve closer together but I cant really see why you would ditch the brand names. Actually the KP/K-1 is already moving closer to Ricoh. Perhaps some oddball innovation like hybrid ovf would move them even closer.

reh321 · 02-23-2019, 08:01 AM

Originally posted by Belnan

It seems this CP+ seems to be all about Ricoh branded products.

That is at the root of my negative emotional reaction to Ricoh in general and to the GRiii in specific. Ever since Photokina, 'promises' to Pentax users have become more and more vague {we 'know' less than we did six months ago} while news to Ricoh users has become better and better.

Originally posted by Belnan

Maybe a surprise will show up.

That alone would be a surprise

RonHendriks1966 · 02-23-2019, 08:44 AM

Originally posted by reh321

That is at the root of my negative emotional reaction to Ricoh in general and to the GRiii in specific. Ever since Photokina, 'promises' to Pentax users have become more and more vague {we 'know' less than we did six months ago} while news to Ricoh users has become better and better.

What did they acually promised? Two lenses already in stores.

**BigMackCam** · 02-23-2019, 08:59 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by reh321

That is at the root of my negative emotional reaction to Ricoh in general and to the GRiii in specific. Ever since Photokina, 'promises' to Pentax users have become more and more vague {we 'know' less than we did six months ago} while news to Ricoh users has become better and better.

Whilst I respect your view, I don't see it this way. We finally have the DA*11-18... The HD FA35/2 was an unexpected bonus. As for the Ricoh-branded products, it's just a brand name - and all under the same Ricoh Imaging product range. Whilst the WG-6 and G900 might not set many folks alight with excitement, they clearly have appeal to some, and the GRIII is a serious photographic tool, and has generated quite a lot of excitement in these forums - for good reason, it would seem, given the specification. It's way more than an incremental update to the previous model.

It surely would be nice to see a K-3II replacement in the near future, and it would certainly be nice if Ricoh could communicate with its user base more effectively, but it seems like we've quite a bit to be pleased about this year already... Just my opinion, of course

**Larrymc** · 02-23-2019, 09:05 AM

Originally posted by reh321

That is at the root of my negative emotional reaction to Ricoh in general and to the GRiii in specific. Ever since Photokina, 'promises' to Pentax users have become more and more vague {we 'know' less than we did six months ago} while news to Ricoh users has become better and better.

That alone would be a surprise

Why have a negative emotional to the GRIII or any of the other products Ricoh is updating? I'm happy Ricoh isn't announcing a cut back. Grab that KP and find something to photograph.

Actually we know no more nor less than we knew 6 months ago. The truth is "we" thought we knew but never actually knew anything other than rumors. If its not coming from Ricoh/Pentax its nothing more than a rumor. I'm just going to sit back and see what comes out in the coming 10 months and be happy with my decrepit

out dated K-3 that still does fantastic with its intended job. Oh and I'm also going to visit PF News and Rumors a whole lot less and be a bunch happier.

reh321 · 02-23-2019, 09:47 AM

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

What did they acually promised? Two lenses already in stores.

Originally posted by BigMackCam

It surely would be nice to see a K-3II replacement in the near future, and it would certainly be nice if Ricoh could communicate with its user base more effectively, but it seems like we've quite a bit to be pleased about this year already... Just my opinion, of course

Originally posted by Larrymc

Why have a negative emotional to the GRIII or any of the other products Ricoh is updating? I'm happy Ricoh isn't announcing a cut back. Grab that KP and find something to photograph.

Actually we know no more nor less than we knew 6 months ago. The truth is "we" thought we knew but never actually knew anything other than rumors. If its not coming from Ricoh/Pentax its nothing more than a rumor. I'm just going to sit back and see what comes out in the coming 10 months and be happy with my decrepit

out dated K-3 that still does fantastic with its intended job. Oh and I'm also going to visit PF News and Rumors a whole lot less and be a bunch happier.

Wow, three responses to one comment. I must have hit a nerve or something - although it is nice to get a positive reaction from Ron.

I was going to give an extensive narration of what we thought we knew after the dust had cleared from CP+, but I don't see any benefit to that. We don't know the details of what is going on inside Ricoh/Pentax, nor should we expect to. I am perfectly happy with my KP - I even took a couple of photos since I sat down at my computer desk, but the KP perfectly fits the one sight / one shot style I developed years ago when my film cameras didn't have motor drive; I do wish Pentax would address the lack of NIB camera for those who need KP characteristics plus buffer larger than I can image; if a member here drops his K-3 onto concrete or a new member is interested in a K-3 class camera, used is the only path open to them, and that bothers me. It has been over a year since the last Pentax camera announcement, the longest gap between Pentax camera announcements since I joined here; perhaps that shouldn't bother me, but it does.

Gianclaudio · 02-23-2019, 10:28 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by BigMackCam

Whilst I respect your view, I don't see it this way. We finally have the DA*11-18... The HD FA35/2 was an unexpected bonus. As for the Ricoh-branded products, it's just a brand name - and all under the same Ricoh Imaging product range. Whilst the WG-6 and G900 might not set many folks alight with excitement, they clearly have appeal to some, and the GRIII is a serious photographic tool, and has generated quite a lot of excitement in these forums - for good reason, it would seem, given the specification. It's way more than an incremental update to the previous model.

It surely would be nice to see a K-3II replacement in the near future, and it would certainly be nice if Ricoh could communicate with its user base more effectively, but it seems like we've quite a bit to be pleased about this year already... Just my opinion, of course

And new Theta!!

**Larrymc** · 02-23-2019, 11:20 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by reh321

Wow, three responses to one comment. I must have hit a nerve or something - although it is nice to get a positive reaction from Ron.

I was going to give an extensive narration of what we thought we knew after the dust had cleared from CP+, but I don't see any benefit to that. We don't know the details of what is going on inside Ricoh/Pentax, nor should we expect to. I am perfectly happy with my KP - I even took a couple of photos since I sat down at my computer desk, but the KP perfectly fits the one sight / one shot style I developed years ago when my film cameras didn't have motor drive; I do wish Pentax would address the lack of NIB camera for those who need KP characteristics plus buffer larger than I can image; if a member here drops his K-3 onto concrete or a new member is interested in a K-3 class camera, used is the only path open to them, and that bothers me. It has been over a year since the last Pentax camera announcement, the longest gap between Pentax camera announcements since I joined here; perhaps that shouldn't bother me, but it does.

Yep, Ol Ron had had two positive R/P comments in one day and he even got a Like from me on one of his. I'm losing faith in him.

No nerve was damaged, My Friend. I just didn't want you to get into emotional overload.

Just trying to help a fellow Pentaxian.

No narration is needed we can all see what we "thought" we saw "after the dust had cleared from CP+ and some people tend to see things differently while looking at the same thing. I prefer to stay positive about the future High Spec APS-C camera from Pentax.

Now isn't it a lot less emotional capturing photos than sitting at your computer fretting over rumors or the next rumor?

Mistral75 · 02-23-2019, 01:59 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by reh321

(...) It has been over a year since the last Pentax camera announcement, the longest gap between Pentax camera announcements since I joined here; perhaps that shouldn't bother me, but it does.

reh21, I understand your frustration but we've known worse.

KP announcement (26 January 2017) --> K-1 II announcement (22 February 2018) = 392 days (I'm not counting the K-1 Limited Silver announcement in August 2017 as a 'Pentax camera announcement' stricto sensu).

K-1 II announcement --> now = 367 days.

The 392-day KP --> K-1 II record would be equalled on 21 March 2019.

If no new Pentax camera, not even a camera's development, is announced before summer, I agree, we shall begin to worry. In the meantime, let's enjoy what we have and be happy for those who are interested in the latest Pentax lenses and Ricoh cameras.

RonHendriks1966 · 02-23-2019, 02:27 PM

Originally posted by Mistral75

reh21, I understand your frustration but we've known worse.

KP announcement (26 January 2017) --> K-1 II announcement (22 February 2018) = 392 days (I'm not counting the K-1 Limited Silver announcement in August 2017 as a 'Pentax camera announcement' stricto sensu).

K-1 II announcement --> now = 367 days.

The 392-day KP --> K-1 II record would be equalled on 21 March 2019.

If no new Pentax camera, not even a camera's development, is announced before summer, I agree, we shall begin to worry. In the meantime, let's enjoy what we have and be happy for those who are interested in the latest Pentax lenses and Ricoh cameras.

The longest one was between K-5, september 20th 2010 and K-01 on februari 2th 2012. In between there was the change of ownership.

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02-23-2019, 05:23 AM - 1 Like	#196
BarneyL Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 899	Quote: Ricoh was never recognized as a good SLR brand (worse than Pentax). On the other hand, Pentax was never recognized as a good compact camera brand (worse than Ricoh).

02-23-2019, 06:06 AM	#197
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	I was more thinking of a limited edition, in Silver. Wrapped up in leather box, made out of zebra skin, with a Silver Ricoh HD FA 31mm/f1.8 Ltd and a strap made of a cobra skin. Maybe 800 boxes, for only 4.999 €£$

02-23-2019, 06:27 AM - 1 Like	#198
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by BarneyL On the other hand, Pentax was never recognized as a good compact camera brand (worse than Ricoh). I remember their compacts were quite famous, back in the film days.

02-23-2019, 06:46 AM	#199
Belnan Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Nova Scotia Photos: Albums Posts: 1,090	Originally posted by biz-engineer Ricoh was never recognized as a good SLR brand (worse than Pentax). But dual brand is a bad idea. Ricoh should have either moved everthing under Ricoh brand or everything under Pentax name. Being small and have two brand weaken even more the brand. They've rebranded the WG series as Ricoh, but I wonder what was the value of doing this (beside internal politics). It seems this CP+ seems to be all about Ricoh branded products. Maybe a surprise will show up.

02-23-2019, 06:48 AM - 1 Like	#200
Class A Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 11,251	Originally posted by monochrome No personal criticism intended - but Ricoh has been quite frank about what is coming (just the GRlll and the 11-18) since Photokina.

02-23-2019, 06:52 AM	#201
house Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 3,306	Originally posted by biz-engineer Ricoh was never recognized as a good SLR brand (worse than Pentax). But dual brand is a bad idea. Ricoh should have either moved everthing under Ricoh brand or everything under Pentax name. Being small and have two brand weaken even more the brand. They've rebranded the WG series as Ricoh, but I wonder what was the value of doing this (beside internal politics). To me the dual brand strategy makes sense. I've said it before in regards to milcs that Ricoh is a very strong quirky 'modernist' camera brand whilst Pentax is a quirky 'mechanical' camera brand. They are strangely similar in their single mindedness but have imho quite different qualities. They could in time evolve closer together but I cant really see why you would ditch the brand names. Actually the KP/K-1 is already moving closer to Ricoh. Perhaps some oddball innovation like hybrid ovf would move them even closer.

02-23-2019, 08:01 AM	#202
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,180	Originally posted by Belnan It seems this CP+ seems to be all about Ricoh branded products. That is at the root of my negative emotional reaction to Ricoh in general and to the GRiii in specific. Ever since Photokina, 'promises' to Pentax users have become more and more vague {we 'know' less than we did six months ago} while news to Ricoh users has become better and better. Originally posted by Belnan Maybe a surprise will show up. That alone would be a surprise

02-23-2019, 08:44 AM	#203
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by reh321 That is at the root of my negative emotional reaction to Ricoh in general and to the GRiii in specific. Ever since Photokina, 'promises' to Pentax users have become more and more vague {we 'know' less than we did six months ago} while news to Ricoh users has become better and better. What did they acually promised? Two lenses already in stores.

02-23-2019, 08:59 AM - 2 Likes	#204
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,674	Originally posted by reh321 That is at the root of my negative emotional reaction to Ricoh in general and to the GRiii in specific. Ever since Photokina, 'promises' to Pentax users have become more and more vague {we 'know' less than we did six months ago} while news to Ricoh users has become better and better. Whilst I respect your view, I don't see it this way. We finally have the DA*11-18... The HD FA35/2 was an unexpected bonus. As for the Ricoh-branded products, it's just a brand name - and all under the same Ricoh Imaging product range. Whilst the WG-6 and G900 might not set many folks alight with excitement, they clearly have appeal to some, and the GRIII is a serious photographic tool, and has generated quite a lot of excitement in these forums - for good reason, it would seem, given the specification. It's way more than an incremental update to the previous model. It surely would be nice to see a K-3II replacement in the near future, and it would certainly be nice if Ricoh could communicate with its user base more effectively, but it seems like we've quite a bit to be pleased about this year already... Just my opinion, of course

02-23-2019, 09:05 AM	#205
Larrymc Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Mississippi, USA Posts: 5,252	Originally posted by reh321 That is at the root of my negative emotional reaction to Ricoh in general and to the GRiii in specific. Ever since Photokina, 'promises' to Pentax users have become more and more vague {we 'know' less than we did six months ago} while news to Ricoh users has become better and better. That alone would be a surprise Why have a negative emotional to the GRIII or any of the other products Ricoh is updating? I'm happy Ricoh isn't announcing a cut back. Grab that KP and find something to photograph. Actually we know no more nor less than we knew 6 months ago. The truth is "we" thought we knew but never actually knew anything other than rumors. If its not coming from Ricoh/Pentax its nothing more than a rumor. I'm just going to sit back and see what comes out in the coming 10 months and be happy with my decrepit out dated K-3 that still does fantastic with its intended job. Oh and I'm also going to visit PF News and Rumors a whole lot less and be a bunch happier.

02-23-2019, 09:47 AM	#206
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,180	Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 What did they acually promised? Two lenses already in stores. Originally posted by BigMackCam It surely would be nice to see a K-3II replacement in the near future, and it would certainly be nice if Ricoh could communicate with its user base more effectively, but it seems like we've quite a bit to be pleased about this year already... Just my opinion, of course Originally posted by Larrymc Why have a negative emotional to the GRIII or any of the other products Ricoh is updating? I'm happy Ricoh isn't announcing a cut back. Grab that KP and find something to photograph. Actually we know no more nor less than we knew 6 months ago. The truth is "we" thought we knew but never actually knew anything other than rumors. If its not coming from Ricoh/Pentax its nothing more than a rumor. I'm just going to sit back and see what comes out in the coming 10 months and be happy with my decrepit out dated K-3 that still does fantastic with its intended job. Oh and I'm also going to visit PF News and Rumors a whole lot less and be a bunch happier. Wow, three responses to one comment. I must have hit a nerve or something - although it is nice to get a positive reaction from Ron. I was going to give an extensive narration of what we thought we knew after the dust had cleared from CP+, but I don't see any benefit to that. We don't know the details of what is going on inside Ricoh/Pentax, nor should we expect to. I am perfectly happy with my KP - I even took a couple of photos since I sat down at my computer desk, but the KP perfectly fits the one sight / one shot style I developed years ago when my film cameras didn't have motor drive; I do wish Pentax would address the lack of NIB camera for those who need KP characteristics plus buffer larger than I can image; if a member here drops his K-3 onto concrete or a new member is interested in a K-3 class camera, used is the only path open to them, and that bothers me. It has been over a year since the last Pentax camera announcement, the longest gap between Pentax camera announcements since I joined here; perhaps that shouldn't bother me, but it does.

02-23-2019, 10:28 AM - 1 Like	#207
Gianclaudio Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Hannover Photos: Gallery Posts: 163	Originally posted by BigMackCam Whilst I respect your view, I don't see it this way. We finally have the DA*11-18... The HD FA35/2 was an unexpected bonus. As for the Ricoh-branded products, it's just a brand name - and all under the same Ricoh Imaging product range. Whilst the WG-6 and G900 might not set many folks alight with excitement, they clearly have appeal to some, and the GRIII is a serious photographic tool, and has generated quite a lot of excitement in these forums - for good reason, it would seem, given the specification. It's way more than an incremental update to the previous model. It surely would be nice to see a K-3II replacement in the near future, and it would certainly be nice if Ricoh could communicate with its user base more effectively, but it seems like we've quite a bit to be pleased about this year already... Just my opinion, of course And new Theta!!

02-23-2019, 11:20 AM - 1 Like	#208
Larrymc Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Mississippi, USA Posts: 5,252	Originally posted by reh321 Wow, three responses to one comment. I must have hit a nerve or something - although it is nice to get a positive reaction from Ron. I was going to give an extensive narration of what we thought we knew after the dust had cleared from CP+, but I don't see any benefit to that. We don't know the details of what is going on inside Ricoh/Pentax, nor should we expect to. I am perfectly happy with my KP - I even took a couple of photos since I sat down at my computer desk, but the KP perfectly fits the one sight / one shot style I developed years ago when my film cameras didn't have motor drive; I do wish Pentax would address the lack of NIB camera for those who need KP characteristics plus buffer larger than I can image; if a member here drops his K-3 onto concrete or a new member is interested in a K-3 class camera, used is the only path open to them, and that bothers me. It has been over a year since the last Pentax camera announcement, the longest gap between Pentax camera announcements since I joined here; perhaps that shouldn't bother me, but it does. Yep, Ol Ron had had two positive R/P comments in one day and he even got a Like from me on one of his. I'm losing faith in him. No nerve was damaged, My Friend. I just didn't want you to get into emotional overload. Just trying to help a fellow Pentaxian. No narration is needed we can all see what we "thought" we saw "after the dust had cleared from CP+ and some people tend to see things differently while looking at the same thing. I prefer to stay positive about the future High Spec APS-C camera from Pentax. Now isn't it a lot less emotional capturing photos than sitting at your computer fretting over rumors or the next rumor?

02-23-2019, 01:59 PM - 1 Like	#209
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by reh321 (...) It has been over a year since the last Pentax camera announcement, the longest gap between Pentax camera announcements since I joined here; perhaps that shouldn't bother me, but it does. *reh21, I understand your frustration but we've known worse. KP announcement (26 January 2017) --> K-1 II announcement (22 February 2018) = 392 days (I'm not counting the K-1 Limited Silver announcement in August 2017 as a 'Pentax camera announcement' stricto sensu*). K-1 II announcement --> now = 367 days. The 392-day KP --> K-1 II record would be equalled on 21 March 2019. If no new Pentax camera, not even a camera's development, is announced before summer, I agree, we shall begin to worry. In the meantime, let's enjoy what we have and be happy for those who are interested in the latest Pentax lenses and Ricoh cameras.

02-23-2019, 02:27 PM	#210
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by Mistral75 *reh21, I understand your frustration but we've known worse. KP announcement (26 January 2017) --> K-1 II announcement (22 February 2018) = 392 days (I'm not counting the K-1 Limited Silver announcement in August 2017 as a 'Pentax camera announcement' stricto sensu*). K-1 II announcement --> now = 367 days. The 392-day KP --> K-1 II record would be equalled on 21 March 2019. If no new Pentax camera, not even a camera's development, is announced before summer, I agree, we shall begin to worry. In the meantime, let's enjoy what we have and be happy for those who are interested in the latest Pentax lenses and Ricoh cameras. The longest one was between K-5, september 20th 2010 and K-01 on februari 2th 2012. In between there was the change of ownership.