Ricoh booth at CP+

RonHendriks1966 · 02-25-2019, 09:34 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

And by the way, this November there's some sort of an anniversary.

Well you are a little off by the date, but earlier this year it is the 80th anniversary of Ricoh camera. I think Ricoh-Imaging would like to celebrate that.....or does no one care.

Gokoku and Ricohl - Camera-wiki.org - The free camera encyclopedia

(There is always some date or event to find wich you can celebrate with some anniversary)

Chris Mak · 02-25-2019, 09:45 AM

Originally posted by Mistral75

Sorry for answering again the same message but you edited it when I was responding to the original version.

What do we know? We know with certainty that:

Ricoh Imaging are using the Pentax brand for ILCs, their lenses and accessories
The Pentax trademark still belongs to Hoya
Hence there has to be some kind of a brand licence agreement signed by and between Hoya and Ricoh (of subsidiaries of these companies), organising the use of the Pentax brand by Ricoh and their subsidiaries
A fellow member has stated that this licence agreement (he used the terms 'lease contract') expires in 2020
This fellow member is well known here and has revealed many pieces of information, most of them about soon-to-be-launched products
Another member, which I won't qualify , has talked several times, on this forum and on other (mainly French) forums, about the Pentax trademark belonging to Hoya and Ricoh Imaging using it with permission, the last time being around eight hours before the first fellow member made his statement about the end date of the licence agreement.

Then it's up to each one of us to make up his/her mind.

And everyone will make it up very differently no doubt!

Perhaps though, it would not be a bad thing if K-mount would continue under the Ricoh name, after all, using their own brand name might stimulate more investment.

Chris

reh321 · 02-25-2019, 09:50 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

And by the way, this November there's some sort of an anniversary.

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

Well you are a little off by the date, but earlier this year it is the 80th anniversary of Ricoh camera. I think Ricoh-Imaging would like to celebrate that.....or does no one care.

Gokoku and Ricohl - Camera-wiki.org - The free camera encyclopedia

(There is always some date or event to find wich you can celebrate with some anniversary)

Ron, as you know perfectly well, this coming November is the 100th anniversary of the founding of Asahi Optics - the company that started the "Pentax" brand - and Ricoh has already announced plans to observe it.

Yes, you can always find some kind of anniversary, but Centenaries are special.

reh321 · 02-25-2019, 10:02 AM

Originally posted by Chris Mak

And everyone will make it up very differently no doubt!

Perhaps though, it would not be a bad thing if K-mount would continue under the Ricoh name, after all, using their own brand name might stimulate more investment.

Chris

Personally, I have no issue with placing both "Ricoh" and "Pentax" on the front; afterall, as late as the K1000, the front said both "Asahi" and "Pentax".

There are those who freaked out when Ricoh put their name on the back

Originally posted by pentaxdude

I have been waiting for the announcement of the k3 for some time.Now that the camera is out and seeing the pics and seeing "Ricoh" on the back of the screen turns me off. Only a matter of time before we see Ricoh on the front of the camera.

but they are avoiding reality.

Kunzite · 02-25-2019, 10:59 AM

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

.........

I can't hear you.
Well, won't, actually.

alcstudios · 02-25-2019, 12:50 PM

Originally posted by Kunzite

I can't hear you.
Well, won't, actually.

I can't hear him either as there is no sound but I am able to read what he said

BROO · 02-25-2019, 02:09 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Mistral75

But no, taking the risk of disappointing you, I must confess that I am not the source of Ooku's statement.

Ooku means "inner chamber" . No need to quote a source. That is why Ooku is able to come up with accurate information on new products.
We are being fed "chicken feed" from "Control" guys!

Last edited by BROO; 02-25-2019 at 02:50 PM.

OoKU · 02-25-2019, 04:54 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Mistral75

Sorry for answering again the same message but you edited it when I was responding to the original version.

What do we know? We know with certainty that:

Ricoh Imaging are using the Pentax brand for ILCs, their lenses and accessories
The Pentax trademark still belongs to Hoya
Hence there has to be some kind of a brand licence agreement signed by and between Hoya and Ricoh (of subsidiaries of these companies), organising the use of the Pentax brand by Ricoh and their subsidiaries
A fellow member has stated that this licence agreement (he used the terms 'lease contract') expires in 2020
This fellow member is well known here and has revealed many pieces of information, most of them about soon-to-be-launched products
Another member, which I won't qualify , has talked several times, on this forum and on other (mainly French) forums, about the Pentax trademark belonging to Hoya and Ricoh Imaging using it with permission, the last time being around eight hours before the first fellow member made his statement about the end date of the licence agreement.

Then it's up to each one of us to make up his/her mind.

listen well, don't spread, or will be sealed.
haha.

**monochrome** · 02-25-2019, 05:38 PM

The only thing that really matters is the K-mount.

eddie1960 · 02-25-2019, 05:41 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

The only thing that really matters is the K-mount.

pretty much. making a true mirrorless would be good but K would be relegated to adaptors . that said it should ve considered because mirrorless is a huge portion and growing of the market (im biased obviously as a fuji guy now..... but every brand except.pentax is there

**monochrome** · 02-25-2019, 06:13 PM - **1 Like**

A Ricoh-Branded MILC system with an (expensive) KAFx adapter wouldn’t surprise me at all.

reh321 · 02-25-2019, 06:31 PM

Originally posted by eddie1960

pretty much. making a true mirrorless would be good but K would be relegated to adaptors . that said it should ve considered because mirrorless is a huge portion and growing of the market (im biased obviously as a fuji guy now..... but every brand except.pentax is there

Pentax could make another K-mount MILC if they wanted a MILC; I don't see any gain to a new mount.

eddie1960 · 02-25-2019, 07:02 PM

Originally posted by reh321

Pentax could make another K-mount MILC if they wanted a MILC; I don't see any gain to a new mount.

size and weight and ability to adapt . canon nikon sony all went there. fuji pretty much exploded once they went there. the k01 was interesting but not the market
monochrome tho is right a mirrorles w a kaf adaptor is a distinct possibility

reh321 · 02-25-2019, 07:06 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by eddie1960

size and weight and ability to adapt . canon nikon sony all went there. fuji pretty much exploded once they went there. the k01 was interesting but not the market
monochrome tho is right a mirrorles w a kaf adaptor is a distinct possibility

I am quite sure that lack of EVF is what doomed the K-01.
We have been over this ground lots of times.
Canon {EOS-M} and Sony {NEX-5} had similar cameras {i.e., without EVF}, and those also lingered, but those companies hung in there and came out with winners when they put EVF on later models.

Considering problems Pentax has had coming out with DFA lenses, I don't see how they could possibly add yet another line of lenses.

**Larrymc** · 02-25-2019, 07:20 PM

Originally posted by eddie1960

size and weight and ability to adapt . canon nikon sony all went there. fuji pretty much exploded once they went there. the k01 was interesting but not the market
monochrome tho is right a mirrorles w a kaf adaptor is a distinct possibility

There is a distinct possibility that the earth's magnetic poles will reverse tomorrow but not likely.

02-25-2019, 09:45 AM	#272
Chris Mak Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2013 Photos: Albums Posts: 639	Originally posted by Mistral75 Sorry for answering again the same message but you edited it when I was responding to the original version. What do we know? We know with certainty that: Ricoh Imaging are using the Pentax brand for ILCs, their lenses and accessories The Pentax trademark still belongs to Hoya Hence there has to be some kind of a brand licence agreement signed by and between Hoya and Ricoh (of subsidiaries of these companies), organising the use of the Pentax brand by Ricoh and their subsidiaries A fellow member has stated that this licence agreement (he used the terms 'lease contract') expires in 2020 This fellow member is well known here and has revealed many pieces of information, most of them about soon-to-be-launched products Another member, which I won't qualify , has talked several times, on this forum and on other (mainly French) forums, about the Pentax trademark belonging to Hoya and Ricoh Imaging using it with permission, the last time being around eight hours before the first fellow member made his statement about the end date of the licence agreement. Then it's up to each one of us to make up his/her mind. And everyone will make it up very differently no doubt! Perhaps though, it would not be a bad thing if K-mount would continue under the Ricoh name, after all, using their own brand name might stimulate more investment. Chris

02-25-2019, 04:54 PM - 1 Like	#278
OoKU Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 740	Originally posted by Mistral75 Sorry for answering again the same message but you edited it when I was responding to the original version. What do we know? We know with certainty that: Ricoh Imaging are using the Pentax brand for ILCs, their lenses and accessories The Pentax trademark still belongs to Hoya Hence there has to be some kind of a brand licence agreement signed by and between Hoya and Ricoh (of subsidiaries of these companies), organising the use of the Pentax brand by Ricoh and their subsidiaries A fellow member has stated that this licence agreement (he used the terms 'lease contract') expires in 2020 This fellow member is well known here and has revealed many pieces of information, most of them about soon-to-be-launched products Another member, which I won't qualify , has talked several times, on this forum and on other (mainly French) forums, about the Pentax trademark belonging to Hoya and Ricoh Imaging using it with permission, the last time being around eight hours before the first fellow member made his statement about the end date of the licence agreement. Then it's up to each one of us to make up his/her mind. listen well, don't spread, or will be sealed. haha.

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02-25-2019, 09:34 AM	#271
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by Kunzite And by the way, this November there's some sort of an anniversary. Well you are a little off by the date, but earlier this year it is the 80th anniversary of Ricoh camera. I think Ricoh-Imaging would like to celebrate that.....or does no one care. Gokoku and Ricohl - Camera-wiki.org - The free camera encyclopedia (There is always some date or event to find wich you can celebrate with some anniversary)

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reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,175	Originally posted by Kunzite And by the way, this November there's some sort of an anniversary. Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 Well you are a little off by the date, but earlier this year it is the 80th anniversary of Ricoh camera. I think Ricoh-Imaging would like to celebrate that.....or does no one care. Gokoku and Ricohl - Camera-wiki.org - The free camera encyclopedia (There is always some date or event to find wich you can celebrate with some anniversary) Ron, as you know perfectly well, this coming November is the 100th anniversary of the founding of Asahi Optics - the company that started the "Pentax" brand - and Ricoh has already announced plans to observe it. Yes, you can always find some kind of anniversary, but Centenaries are special.

02-25-2019, 10:02 AM	#274
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,175	Originally posted by Chris Mak And everyone will make it up very differently no doubt! Perhaps though, it would not be a bad thing if K-mount would continue under the Ricoh name, after all, using their own brand name might stimulate more investment. Chris Personally, I have no issue with placing both "Ricoh" and "Pentax" on the front; afterall, as late as the K1000, the front said both "Asahi" and "Pentax". There are those who freaked out when Ricoh put their name on the back Originally posted by pentaxdude I have been waiting for the announcement of the k3 for some time.Now that the camera is out and seeing the pics and seeing "Ricoh" on the back of the screen turns me off. Only a matter of time before we see Ricoh on the front of the camera. but they are avoiding reality.

02-25-2019, 10:59 AM	#275
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 ......... I can't hear you. Well, won't, actually.

02-25-2019, 12:50 PM	#276
alcstudios Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Texas Photos: Albums Posts: 146	Originally posted by Kunzite I can't hear you. Well, won't, actually. I can't hear him either as there is no sound but I am able to read what he said

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BROO Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 655	Originally posted by Mistral75 But no, taking the risk of disappointing you, I must confess that I am not the source of Ooku's statement. Ooku means "inner chamber" . No need to quote a source. That is why Ooku is able to come up with accurate information on new products. We are being fed "chicken feed" from "Control" guys! Last edited by BROO; 02-25-2019 at 02:50 PM.

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monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	The only thing that really matters is the K-mount.

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eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,666	Originally posted by monochrome The only thing that really matters is the K-mount. pretty much. making a true mirrorless would be good but K would be relegated to adaptors . that said it should ve considered because mirrorless is a huge portion and growing of the market (im biased obviously as a fuji guy now..... but every brand except.pentax is there

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monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	A Ricoh-Branded MILC system with an (expensive) KAFx adapter wouldn’t surprise me at all.

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reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,175	Originally posted by eddie1960 pretty much. making a true mirrorless would be good but K would be relegated to adaptors . that said it should ve considered because mirrorless is a huge portion and growing of the market (im biased obviously as a fuji guy now..... but every brand except.pentax is there Pentax could make another K-mount MILC if they wanted a MILC; I don't see any gain to a new mount.

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02-25-2019, 07:02 PM	#283
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,666	Originally posted by reh321 Pentax could make another K-mount MILC if they wanted a MILC; I don't see any gain to a new mount. size and weight and ability to adapt . canon nikon sony all went there. fuji pretty much exploded once they went there. the k01 was interesting but not the market monochrome tho is right a mirrorles w a kaf adaptor is a distinct possibility

02-25-2019, 07:06 PM - 1 Like	#284
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,175	Originally posted by eddie1960 size and weight and ability to adapt . canon nikon sony all went there. fuji pretty much exploded once they went there. the k01 was interesting but not the market monochrome tho is right a mirrorles w a kaf adaptor is a distinct possibility I am quite sure that lack of EVF is what doomed the K-01. We have been over this ground lots of times. Canon {EOS-M} and Sony {NEX-5} had similar cameras {i.e., without EVF}, and those also lingered, but those companies hung in there and came out with winners when they put EVF on later models. Considering problems Pentax has had coming out with DFA lenses, I don't see how they could possibly add yet another line of lenses.

02-25-2019, 07:20 PM	#285
Larrymc Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Mississippi, USA Posts: 5,251	Originally posted by eddie1960 size and weight and ability to adapt . canon nikon sony all went there. fuji pretty much exploded once they went there. the k01 was interesting but not the market monochrome tho is right a mirrorles w a kaf adaptor is a distinct possibility There is a distinct possibility that the earth's magnetic poles will reverse tomorrow but not likely.