Pentax K1 II DSLR of the year on optyczne.pl

MatKus · 01-15-2019, 11:09 AM - **2 Likes**

Pentax K1 II won in category DSLR in competition organized by optyczne.pl - Polish (i think bigest) portal about optical devices (mostly cameras and lenses, but also some binoculars etc).

Truth is there was not much competition, only 4 cameras, and 3 of those was entry level, but still, it's DSLR of 2018

Last edited by MatKus; 01-15-2019 at 11:15 AM.

**FozzFoster** · 01-15-2019, 11:22 AM

Thanks for posting! Here's a direct link:
Google Translate does a pretty good job on the site too!

Plebiscyt na Produkt Roku 2018 - wyniki - Podsumowanie Plebiscytu na Produkt Roku 2018 wg Czytelnik

Reed · 01-15-2019, 11:50 PM

Just to mention-optyczne.pl is Polish edition of lenstip.com website, still that summary will be not reposted in English as they focus mainly on Poland market.

wed7 · 01-16-2019, 01:49 AM

A win is a win, lol

agukha · 01-16-2019, 05:07 AM

Usual bashers will probably prefer to maintain more visible the thread saying some article put the K1II as one of the worst cameras ^^

biz-engineer · 01-16-2019, 05:57 AM - **2 Likes**

Hand held pixel shift with SR is a "game changer" because:
- for having enough DoF, is achieved by stopping down the lens
- stopping down the lens implies increasing ISO or decreasing shutter speed
- SR allow slower shutter speeds
- Dynamic PS (frame stacking before demosaicing) reduces noise as if ISO was two stops lower.

Reviewers using DPS at base ISO completely miss the point, indeed there no much advantage shooting DPS at ISO100 (@full 14bits DR).
However, in a lot of public building (architectures) and museum, tripods aren't allowed anymore (they don't know about hand held pixel shift...)
So , you can be indoors, shooting at f5.6 and ISO800 and get images smooth and detailed as if they were shot on tripod at ISO200.
That's something that no FF camera other than the K1 Mk II can do.
+plus better AF over the K1.

Indeed, the Pentax K1 Mk II is a super good camera.

---------- Post added 16-01-19 at 14:08 ----------

Actually, hand held pixel shift is a lot more useful than pixel shift of the K1. Pixel shift of K1 can only be done with a tripod, but usually when you have a tripod nothing prevent to shoot at base ISO, and at base ISO the image quality is already excellent, noise at ISO100 is almost invisible, improving on ISO100 isn't producing any significant visual difference. Stacking of high iso frames with HHPS on the K1 II produces a significant bump of image quality and it's visible.

texandrews · 01-16-2019, 08:27 AM

Originally posted by biz-engineer

Hand held pixel shift with SR is a "game changer" because:
- for having enough DoF, is achieved by stopping down the lens
- stopping down the lens implies increasing ISO or decreasing shutter speed
- SR allow slower shutter speeds
- Dynamic PS (frame stacking before demosaicing) reduces noise as if ISO was two stops lower.

Reviewers using DPS at base ISO completely miss the point, indeed there no much advantage shooting DPS at ISO100 (@full 14bits DR).
However, in a lot of public building (architectures) and museum, tripods aren't allowed anymore (they don't know about hand held pixel shift...)
So , you can be indoors, shooting at f5.6 and ISO800 and get images smooth and detailed as if they were shot on tripod at ISO200.
That's something that no FF camera other than the K1 Mk II can do.
+plus better AF over the K1.

Indeed, the Pentax K1 Mk II is a super good camera.

---------- Post added 16-01-19 at 14:08 ----------

Actually, hand held pixel shift is a lot more useful than pixel shift of the K1. Pixel shift of K1 can only be done with a tripod, but usually when you have a tripod nothing prevent to shoot at base ISO, and at base ISO the image quality is already excellent, noise at ISO100 is almost invisible, improving on ISO100 isn't producing any significant visual difference. Stacking of high iso frames with HHPS on the K1 II produces a significant bump of image quality and it's visible.

Well...I feel stupid not to have thought of this!--The idea that DPS/HHPS reduces noise in this way could be very significant indeed!

house · 01-16-2019, 08:49 AM

Swedish camera store cyberphoto (web store for most) have norma, hps and ps shots as part of their product info. Those samples show significant detail improvements with hps. The relvant page is
K-1 Mark II kamerahus | CyberPhoto

normal https://www.cyberphoto.se/storage/E0B6DD3A9DD6EC20FC2FC933F0C90F7CB01BA62635...2-IMGP0077.JPG

hps https://www.cyberphoto.se/storage/70595C525A9CD1DFDC4C41180FCB22C18B78F94D17...2-IMGP0079.JPG

ps https://www.cyberphoto.se/storage/FCF9BA5A2DA2384E862BB478DC851AAFDA0F39D087...2-IMGP0080.JPG

Look at trees and other fine detail. Hps really makes a difference.

It's a shame these features aren't thoroughly tested. hps (it's supposed to be called dynamic though...) does leave some artifacts but at a image level it's less noticeable than the gain.

biz-engineer · 01-17-2019, 06:54 AM

Originally posted by house

normal https://www.cyberphoto.se/storage/E0B6DD3A9DD6EC20FC2FC933F0C90F7CB01BA62635...MGP0077.JPGhps https://www.cyberphoto.se/storage/70595C525A9CD1DFDC4C41180FCB22C18B78F94D17...2-IMGP0079.JPGps https://www.cyberphoto.se/storage/FCF9BA5A2DA2384E862BB478DC851AAFDA0F39D087...GP0080.JPGLook at trees and other fine detail. Hps really makes a difference.

I've received a K-1 Mk II today. Took some test shots with and without HPS. I don't get the artifacts that we see from the link, so I believe the demosaicing of the HPS file must have being using the wrong software. The HPS photos I get are free or artifacts and the resulting HPS images are better (more microcontrast) and the single shots.

Kunzite · 01-17-2019, 07:11 AM

Just to be sure, you're using JPEG? (You should, as you're seeing an improvement)
AFAIK DPS is not supported in RAW yet.

Pentaxke · 01-18-2019, 02:18 AM

I have nothing but praise for the MkII. While the K-1 was already an incredibly good camera, the upgrade makes it even better. IQ is top notch, SR and AF is improved (ok this may be subjective, but for me it feels like it), and there are other things going on (like exposure: I rarely need to dial in exposure compensation.) Add to that the things inherited from K-1 like excellent build quality, top notch ergonomics, very logical behaviour of menu's and such and a space sheet that no other camera currently offers, I can't but feel that the MkII is the most underrated camera currently on the market.

Best camera I have ever had and a well deserved reward!

01-15-2019, 11:09 AM - 2 Likes	#1
MatKus Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Posts: 155	Pentax K1 II DSLR of the year on optyczne.pl Pentax K1 II won in category DSLR in competition organized by optyczne.pl - Polish (i think bigest) portal about optical devices (mostly cameras and lenses, but also some binoculars etc). Truth is there was not much competition, only 4 cameras, and 3 of those was entry level, but still, it's DSLR of 2018 Last edited by MatKus; 01-15-2019 at 11:15 AM.

01-16-2019, 08:49 AM	#8
house Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 3,306	Swedish camera store cyberphoto (web store for most) have norma, hps and ps shots as part of their product info. Those samples show significant detail improvements with hps. The relvant page is K-1 Mark II kamerahus \| CyberPhoto normal https://www.cyberphoto.se/storage/E0B6DD3A9DD6EC20FC2FC933F0C90F7CB01BA62635...2-IMGP0077.JPG hps https://www.cyberphoto.se/storage/70595C525A9CD1DFDC4C41180FCB22C18B78F94D17...2-IMGP0079.JPG ps https://www.cyberphoto.se/storage/FCF9BA5A2DA2384E862BB478DC851AAFDA0F39D087...2-IMGP0080.JPG Look at trees and other fine detail. Hps really makes a difference. It's a shame these features aren't thoroughly tested. hps (it's supposed to be called dynamic though...) does leave some artifacts but at a image level it's less noticeable than the gain. Last edited by house; 01-16-2019 at 09:03 AM. Reason: forgot to add

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01-15-2019, 11:22 AM	#2
FozzFoster Custom User Title Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Alberta Photos: Albums Posts: 6,808	Thanks for posting! Here's a direct link: Google Translate does a pretty good job on the site too! Plebiscyt na Produkt Roku 2018 - wyniki - Podsumowanie Plebiscytu na Produkt Roku 2018 wg Czytelnik

01-15-2019, 11:50 PM	#3
Reed Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Warsaw Photos: Gallery Posts: 638	Just to mention-optyczne.pl is Polish edition of lenstip.com website, still that summary will be not reposted in English as they focus mainly on Poland market.

01-16-2019, 01:49 AM	#4
wed7 Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Manila, Philippines Posts: 1,421	A win is a win, lol

01-16-2019, 05:07 AM	#5
agukha Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 367	Usual bashers will probably prefer to maintain more visible the thread saying some article put the K1II as one of the worst cameras ^^

01-16-2019, 05:57 AM - 2 Likes	#6
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,239	Hand held pixel shift with SR is a "game changer" because: - for having enough DoF, is achieved by stopping down the lens - stopping down the lens implies increasing ISO or decreasing shutter speed - SR allow slower shutter speeds - Dynamic PS (frame stacking before demosaicing) reduces noise as if ISO was two stops lower. Reviewers using DPS at base ISO completely miss the point, indeed there no much advantage shooting DPS at ISO100 (@full 14bits DR). However, in a lot of public building (architectures) and museum, tripods aren't allowed anymore (they don't know about hand held pixel shift...) So , you can be indoors, shooting at f5.6 and ISO800 and get images smooth and detailed as if they were shot on tripod at ISO200. That's something that no FF camera other than the K1 Mk II can do. +plus better AF over the K1. Indeed, the Pentax K1 Mk II is a super good camera. ---------- Post added 16-01-19 at 14:08 ---------- Actually, hand held pixel shift is a lot more useful than pixel shift of the K1. Pixel shift of K1 can only be done with a tripod, but usually when you have a tripod nothing prevent to shoot at base ISO, and at base ISO the image quality is already excellent, noise at ISO100 is almost invisible, improving on ISO100 isn't producing any significant visual difference. Stacking of high iso frames with HHPS on the K1 II produces a significant bump of image quality and it's visible.

01-16-2019, 08:27 AM	#7
texandrews Moderator Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Baltimore Photos: Albums Posts: 3,396	Originally posted by biz-engineer Hand held pixel shift with SR is a "game changer" because: - for having enough DoF, is achieved by stopping down the lens - stopping down the lens implies increasing ISO or decreasing shutter speed - SR allow slower shutter speeds - Dynamic PS (frame stacking before demosaicing) reduces noise as if ISO was two stops lower. Reviewers using DPS at base ISO completely miss the point, indeed there no much advantage shooting DPS at ISO100 (@full 14bits DR). However, in a lot of public building (architectures) and museum, tripods aren't allowed anymore (they don't know about hand held pixel shift...) So , you can be indoors, shooting at f5.6 and ISO800 and get images smooth and detailed as if they were shot on tripod at ISO200. That's something that no FF camera other than the K1 Mk II can do. +plus better AF over the K1. Indeed, the Pentax K1 Mk II is a super good camera. ---------- Post added 16-01-19 at 14:08 ---------- Actually, hand held pixel shift is a lot more useful than pixel shift of the K1. Pixel shift of K1 can only be done with a tripod, but usually when you have a tripod nothing prevent to shoot at base ISO, and at base ISO the image quality is already excellent, noise at ISO100 is almost invisible, improving on ISO100 isn't producing any significant visual difference. Stacking of high iso frames with HHPS on the K1 II produces a significant bump of image quality and it's visible. Well...I feel stupid not to have thought of this!--The idea that DPS/HHPS reduces noise in this way could be very significant indeed!

01-17-2019, 06:54 AM	#9
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,239	Originally posted by house normal https://www.cyberphoto.se/storage/E0B6DD3A9DD6EC20FC2FC933F0C90F7CB01BA62635...MGP0077.JPGhps https://www.cyberphoto.se/storage/70595C525A9CD1DFDC4C41180FCB22C18B78F94D17...2-IMGP0079.JPGps https://www.cyberphoto.se/storage/FCF9BA5A2DA2384E862BB478DC851AAFDA0F39D087...GP0080.JPGLook at trees and other fine detail. Hps really makes a difference. I've received a K-1 Mk II today. Took some test shots with and without HPS. I don't get the artifacts that we see from the link, so I believe the demosaicing of the HPS file must have being using the wrong software. The HPS photos I get are free or artifacts and the resulting HPS images are better (more microcontrast) and the single shots.

01-17-2019, 07:11 AM	#10
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Just to be sure, you're using JPEG? (You should, as you're seeing an improvement) AFAIK DPS is not supported in RAW yet.

01-18-2019, 02:18 AM	#11
Pentaxke Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Belgium Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 476	I have nothing but praise for the MkII. While the K-1 was already an incredibly good camera, the upgrade makes it even better. IQ is top notch, SR and AF is improved (ok this may be subjective, but for me it feels like it), and there are other things going on (like exposure: I rarely need to dial in exposure compensation.) Add to that the things inherited from K-1 like excellent build quality, top notch ergonomics, very logical behaviour of menu's and such and a space sheet that no other camera currently offers, I can't but feel that the MkII is the most underrated camera currently on the market. Best camera I have ever had and a well deserved reward!