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02-20-2019, 08:39 AM - 1 Like   #46
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Rorschach!
So the new release is a spy camera?



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It's a niche for sure, but the construction industry in Japan is colossal, so they must need to buy these constantly.
I always thought Pentax would be a good match for architecture/construction niche.
Pentax is probably the best landscape, astro, macro, and other 'stills' camera brand.
I'd think a nice tilt/shift lens (used mostly for architecture) would be a good niche for Pentax to explore.
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R02020 in reverse order is 02020R, so it can't be mirrored . . . it must, therefore, be the new mirrorless camera.
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Ricoh WG-5 was announced in February 2015, one year after WG-4. It's Ricoh WG-60 that was the latest waterproof compact camera announced by Ricoh Imaging, in October 2018.
They are all the same and no one is interested.

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They are all the same and no one is interested.
Ricoh Imaging are particularly stubborn then, keeping on offering new WG cameras.
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Ricoh Imaging are particularly stubborn then, keeping on offering new WG cameras.
There is always a market for snorkel camera's because people go on holiday. Ricoh-Imaging is recycling some old tech with almost zero improvement since the Pentax WG-2 that was introduced in 2012. Not much to be very proud of. It is not advertising that Ricoh-Imaging is a hightech company.

The Ricoh G900 probably doesn't come to Europe as the predecessors also didn't.

No idea if they make money (profit) or just adding a little volume to the sales and keep some people on a Job.
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QuoteOriginally posted by FozzFoster Quote
I always thought Pentax would be a good match for architecture/construction niche.
Pentax is probably the best landscape, astro, macro, and other 'stills' camera brand.
I'd think a nice tilt/shift lens (used mostly for architecture) would be a good niche for Pentax to explore.
Right.

I think it is a positive sign that the WG consumer and g industry lines seem to be closer together now. Both can profit from some interesting development and it fits Ricoh's portfolio as a document creation specialist complying industry standards

The predecessor:
RICOH G800 | Digital Cameras | Industrial Products | Ricoh

And yes, give me some technical grade equipment and accessories for DSLR from APS-C to 645. The GR already found it's way into technical documentation in the field of photogrammetry and image based modelling, where the GXR was with widely used with the A12 28mm. Especially due to it's faboulous lens, low weight and great interval settings (based on my recommendations I know of at least 6 GR/IIs bought by my colleagues ;-) ). The new additions to the GRIII (SR, more MP) do not add too much to this field, but of course the GR is a consumer camera in the first place and just happened to be so useful for this application too.

Anyway, I would not be unhappy if Ricoh keeps up this technical photography and documentation field and maybe even expands it. Could be a nice niche.
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QuoteOriginally posted by RonHendriks1966 QuoteThey are all the same and no one is interested.Ricoh Imaging are particularly stubborn then, keeping on offering new WG cameras.
They have not sold more than 100 units in the past five years. They keep producing them by the thousands as a vanity project. Recently I was given the privilege of touring the secret warehouse where Ricoh stores all the cameras they produced that no one buys. I suggested they discount unsold models to clear the inventory, but the keeper of the warehouse said that was not an option Ricoh would ever consider.

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They have not sold more than 100 units in the past five years. They keep producing them by the thousands as a vanity project. Recently I was given the privilege of touring the secret warehouse where Ricoh stores all the cameras they produced that no one buys. I suggested they discount unsold models to clear the inventory, but the keeper of the warehouse said that was not an option Ricoh would ever consider.
As funny as it sounds. But only a few years ago Nikon was sitting on so many stock inventory camera's that they had such warehouses and the keeper of it watching it.
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QuoteOriginally posted by RonHendriks1966 Quote
There is always a market for snorkel camera's because people go on holiday. Ricoh-Imaging is recycling some old tech with almost zero improvement since the Pentax WG-2 that was introduced in 2012. Not much to be very proud of. It is not advertising that Ricoh-Imaging is a hightech company.

The Ricoh G900 probably doesn't come to Europe as the precedessors also didn't.

No idea if they make money (profit) or just adding a little volume to the sales and keep some people on a Job.
They kept the same model for a longer time, right. But there might have been changes in the production line with every iteration, and they must have earned something with it, I'm pretty sure.

The G800SE might have been available here, how do you know otherwis? It was advertised for professional and industrial costumers:
"The advantage of this functionality is not only evident in infrastructure maintenance and disaster response in the areas of road safety, electricity, gas and water supply, but also in the management of image data for local authorities, the police, the fire brigade and in hospitals."
Ricoh stellt die ?RICOH G800SE? vor - Presse - Smart Vision Department - RICOH IMAGING EUROPE S.A.S.
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It happens in many industries. And always there are managers that didn't see it coming. It happend to Smart (a car company from Mercedes) when they introduced the first model Smart ForFour that was produced in The Netherlands. There where like no sales, because people thought it was ugly. The factory was producing as sceduled.....planned production for 100.000 cars in a year. At some point the inventory of ready and unsold car exceeded 25.0000. Parking lots everywhere where rented to put those cars somewhere.......until someone had the bright idea to stop production.
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QuoteOriginally posted by RonHendriks1966 Quote
It happens in many industries. And always there are managers that didn't see it coming. It happend to Smart (a car company from Mercedes) when they introduced the first model Smart ForFour that was produced in The Netherlands. There where like no sales, because people thought it was ugly. The factory was producing as sceduled.....planned production for 100.000 cars in a year. At some point the inventory of ready and unsold car exceeded 25.0000. Parking lots everywhere where rented to put those cars somewhere.......until someone had the bright idea to stop production.
Ooh, Ooh... Let me guess. Whatever this new Ricoh camera is you've already determined it's horridly designed, nothing new, only useful for niche cases, and doomed to fail. Did I cover it all?
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I feel like I'm reading the results of ink blot tests and seeing everyone's desires percolating up
there's a lot of desperation for something - anything - new creeping in again...
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Ooh, Ooh... Let me guess. Whatever this new Ricoh camera is you've already determined it's horridly designed, nothing new, only useful for niche cases, and doomed to fail. Did I cover it all?
If that is your feeling about new camera's, that is fine with with me.
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I thought the line of ‘tough’ cameras of late was farmed out to a separate company, or at least large components were.

The lens of several of the past models, for example, had identical specs to those of similar WR Olympus models...

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