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02-21-2019, 02:36 AM - 1 Like   #91
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QuoteOriginally posted by sbh Quote
I bought the WG-60 and love everything about it except image quality. It's ok-ish but I don't know how much this sensor size is able to deliver (I'm spoiled by the K-1). It's iq is the same or slightly better as my iPhone 5s which is quite old butI've always been fine with it for quick-and-easy shots.
However, the WG-60 has some advantages over a smartphone and from the outdoor perspective the WG indeed are competitors to them if they can get the iq up to the latest smartphones.
I hope people realise how wrong this is with the WG-SERIES. I bought a new smartphone last black friday to have a better camera then my previous one. So I spend money on a high-end smartphone. No way people are going to be happy with a mediocre camera. My smartphone can do a dip in the water as well since it has IP68 designation.

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10 more days to wait...
You know that buying a couple of k mount lenses can relief LBA anxiety for a few days/weeks, so when you come back the details hidden behind the registration code name will be revealed (unleashed).

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We have strong indications of a FF f/4 zoom in spring (before May 1st is spring to me) - that would be the prototype I expect them to show in two weeks.
Absolutely, at some point further MTF testing in the lab doesn't bring any more knowledge about how the lens perform with true colors. I agree that the cherry blossom season in Japan is the best time to release a new 70-200 f4 macro for testing it on real cherry blossom scenes. Hello Ricoh, do you agree?
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QuoteOriginally posted by RonHendriks1966 Quote
I hope people realise how wrong this is with the WG-SERIES. I bought a new smartphone last black friday to have a better camera then my previous one. So I spend money on a high-end smartphone. No way people are going to be happy with a mediocre camera. My smartphone can do a dip in the water as well since it has IP68 designation.
Yes. But what about if you hand your high-end smartphone to a kid, they go paddling in rock pools, they drop it on a rock, smashing the screen, and it bounces into the water. You lose your main communication device and you have to pay $1,000 to replace it.

You might not drop the WG in the first place, because it has a grip. If the same does happen to a WG camera, it stands a good chance of survival. Even if it breaks, it’s not the end of the world. I’m sure that a large part of the appeal of rugged cameras is their relative expendability over a smartphone, not their image quality.
02-21-2019, 03:08 AM   #94
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I think that it's dead-end to produce WG cameras in the era of smartphones.

02-21-2019, 03:47 AM - 1 Like   #95
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There's no reason to be upset. Pentax will release at least one new APS-C camera this year.

Clearly there is still a market for compact cameras. It is smaller than it was, but it still exists. I also doubt that Pentax spends much time in designing these sort of cameras. I imagine they are made at a Chinese factory and Pentax chooses the body type and ca tweak specs to a certain extent. Certainly they aren't tying up a bunch of effort to generate these cameras.

As far as RAW goes, I just think that it probably wouldn't change things that much. Buffer would probably be really slow to empty and there are probably a lot of lens corrections and things like that that are baked into the camera jpegs that you'd have to figure out if you shoot RAW. I don't care if they added it, I just don't think most compact camera users are wishing for that.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Rondec Quote
There's no reason to be upset. Pentax will release at least one new APS-C camera this year.
But! But! If they didn't made the WG-6, they would free resources for an APS-C flagship, two lower tiered APS-C cameras, a new full frame of at least D850 level, full APS-C and FF K-mount lens lines, and a mirrorless line comprising everything from 1" sensors to medium format - and associated lenses!

Personal feelings aside, industrial cameras are an important part of Smart Vision - the G900 is needed. And, making a less rugged version of it - the WG-6 - makes a lot of sense.
Don't put all your eggs into a single basket, especially when you can't agree which basket
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QuoteOriginally posted by RonHendriks1966 Quote
I hope people realise how wrong this is with the WG-SERIES. I bought a new smartphone last black friday to have a better camera then my previous one. So I spend money on a high-end smartphone. No way people are going to be happy with a mediocre camera. My smartphone can do a dip in the water as well since it has IP68 designation.
I agree. I occasionally still use my Optio W10 when I want to take pictures under water for fun, I don’t want to take risks with my iPhone 7.

I really, really would like something like the GR with underwater capability - a compact APS-C camera that I could use on the beach and in the pool just like my extremely durable 13 year old W10.

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I really, really would like something like the GR with underwater capability - a compact APS-C camera that I could use on the beach and in the pool just like my extremely durable 13 year old W10.
Too bad it can't really be made - the retractable lens would have to go (the most obvious change - but it would need a completely different body); it would no longer be the compact APS-C camera we know.

Hopefully someone will make a waterproof case for it.
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Too bad it can't really be made - the retractable lens would have to go (the most obvious change - but it would need a completely different body); it would no longer be the compact APS-C camera we know.
Sure, it wouldn’t be the same body.

Has Nikon completely dropped the “Nikon 1” line now? So the only(?) really waterproof ILC (Nikon 1 AW1) is also gone?
So there might be a market opportunity for a high quality camera suitable for snorkling :-)
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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
I think that it's dead-end to produce WG cameras in the era of smartphones.
Right, and because your argumentation is so well supported, I try to expand it here with some factual assesment of this comparison ;-)

Ricoh G800SE

FEATURES01Tough - Tough enough for the roughest worksite > almost no phone
FEATURES02Smart - A high-performance camera for your worksite > computational imaging in phones has some benefits, but lenswise a camera should have advantages
FEATURES03Wide&Close - High-performance lens handles a wide range of subjects > well optical zoom vs. (most often) no optical zoom
FEATURES04Versatile - Varied functions for a variety of situations > depends
FEATURES05Networked - Connect for seamless data management > advantage phone
FEATURES06Enhanceable - Two options make the camera even more versatile > there are accessories for phones, but none with IP64 for system
FEATURES07Secure - Create images that can be trusted; prevent leaks > I don't know any phone with this

The new WG6 is a consumer version of the follow up of this industrial camera, develpment costs probably very low.

Give me just one reason why they should not bring it to market?
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Nokishita Camera published some specifications of the Ricoh WG-6 together with nine pictures of the camera.

【噂】リコーが間もなく発表する商品リスト【画像追加】|軒下デジカメ情報局
  • 5x optical zoom lens 28-140mm
  • 4K video
  • Tough design that allows 2-hour continuous shooting at a depth of 20m
  • 0.8x wide conversion lens 'DW-5' (sold separately)
  • Colours: Black / Orange
  • Scheduled release date: late March, 2019
  • Street price (discounted and including the 8% Japanese VAT): ¥51,300 (i.e. $430 and €450).

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The last picture shows the DW-5 0.8x wide conversion lens.



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QuoteOriginally posted by MMVIII Quote
FEATURES02Smart - A high-performance camera for your worksite > computational imaging in phones has some benefits, but lenswise a camera should have advantages
I'd also add that computation photography in phones is driven by social media needs,not business needs
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Nokishita Camera also published some specifications of the Ricoh G900 together with three pictures of the camera.
  • 20MP BSI CMOS sensor
  • Chemicals-resistant in addition to being waterproof, dustproof and shockproof
  • Compliant with certification standards for digital imaging to document building standards.
  • 6.5GB internal memory to store images
  • Scheduled release date: late May, 2019
  • Street price (discounted and including the 8% Japanese VAT): ¥89,100 (i.e. $745 and €790).





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QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote
Nokishita Camera also published some specifications of the Ricoh G900 together with three pictures of the camera.
20MP BSI CMOS sensor
Chemicals-resistant in addition to being waterproof, dustproof and shockproof
Compliant with certification standards for digital imaging to document building standards.
6.5GB internal memory to store images
Scheduled release date: late May, 2019
Street price (discounted and including the 8% Japanese VAT): ¥89,100 (i.e. $745 and €790).
Seems to me very intelligent camera for them to be making in terms not just of niche but also cross-over technology potential

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QuoteOriginally posted by MMVIII Quote
Right, and because your argumentation is so well supported, I try to expand it here with some factual assesment of this comparison ;-)

Ricoh G800SE
Who cares about this camera? 100 people in Japan?
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