KP custom，DFA*85/1.4 CP+ Exhibit

normhead · 07-10-2019, 07:18 AM

Originally posted by biz-engineer

Mostly D800/D800E/D810 users here.

They are mostly wildlife shooters here, so the extra MP for cropping) and frame rate are probably more important than to the average shooter.

biz-engineer · 07-10-2019, 07:20 AM

Anyway, for the D-FA85, the date of Christmas for Pentaxians is the same as for everyone else, it's December 25th and not in July or August. You got to write your letter to Santa and be nice with you wife/husband, and maybe your D-FA85 will be at the bottom of the Christmas tree.

Wheatfield · 07-10-2019, 08:14 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by biz-engineer

Looks like the same lens case as was shown last year or earlier this year.

Will the 85mm lens made of a stretch and lift of DFA*50 lens elements (that's how Sigma turn their 150-400mm lens into a 150-600mm, the last 200mm are usually not that sharp). After all , focal length is related to the distance between the diaphragm and the sensor.

If anyone thinks the 85 is going to be anything other than a lens that is at the top of the performance scale, they have obviously not been paying attention. Pentax is not SIG-nificant MA-lfunction.
Focal length is related to the distance from the rear nodal point to the sensor. Where the diaphragm is located has nothing to do with focal length.

**gaweidert** · 07-10-2019, 08:34 AM

Originally posted by normhead

Looks like they are waiting for time on the production line.

Many people who do not understand how modern manufacturing works, will not understand how true this statement is. Since everything seems to worship the "just in time" gods, it is amazing how any glitch in the schedule really screws things up. It cost a delay of almost one year in the release of the K1.

With most cameras being manufactured by third party companies who rent out time on their assembly lines, moving around in the schedule it a very expensive proposition. In the mid 90's there were name brand cameras coming off assembly lines in China with the "Made in Japan" stamp on them. Japan had passed special laws to allow this to happen.

**RGlasel** · 07-10-2019, 10:37 AM

Originally posted by gaweidert

With most cameras being manufactured by third party companies who rent out time on their assembly lines, moving around in the schedule it a very expensive proposition. In the mid 90's there were name brand cameras coming off assembly lines in China with the "Made in Japan" stamp on them. Japan had passed special laws to allow this to happen.

The equipment, facilities and trained staff necessary to manufacture 21,000,000 interchangeable lens cameras in 2012 won't have completely evaporated and with 2019 poduction well behind the nearly 11 million ILC's built in 2018, lack of production capacity is quite implausible. Lens production doesn't flucuate as much as camera production, but the trendline is very similar, so the demand exceeding supply argument doesn't hold water for lenses either. New products are being delayed because the downward trend in the industry is scaring Ricoh management from spending new money to produce them.

**robbiec** · 07-10-2019, 11:15 AM

So is a Christmas release this year for the HD DFA*85 a reasonably solid bet? I've been too busy taking private family photos to take any notice of rumours recently. I'll start building a war chest of say about €1800?

**ffking** · 07-10-2019, 11:22 AM - **7 Likes**

Originally posted by robbiec

So is Christmas this year a reasonably solid bet?

Yup - it's definitely due to happen - on the 25th Dec, so I'm reliably informed.

**Rondec** · 07-10-2019, 11:46 AM

Originally posted by robbiec

So is Christmas this year a reasonably solid bet? I've been too busy taking private family photos to take any notice of rumours recently. I'll start building a war chest of say about €1800?

Who knows?

I would bet the DFA *85 won't be released til spring of next year, but I would be glad to be proven wrong. I would guess pricing of 1600 dollars/Euros.

Nikon's new 85mm f1.4 is 1800 dollars, but Canon's 85mm f1.2 for mirrorless is 2600 dollars, so that gives a ballpark figure, but I guess we'll see, won't we?

**SteveinSLC** · 07-10-2019, 12:16 PM

Some of us are rooting for the 70-200 F4 before the 85.

paolojackson · 07-10-2019, 12:28 PM

This will definitely be my next lens to replace my 77 ltd. The longer it takes, the more time I can save??

BROO · 07-10-2019, 03:06 PM - **3 Likes**

When looking at the cross section of the D FA* 50 you can see just how much work goes into one of these things. You really can't complain about the cost.

We really do live in an age of privilege when the biggest problem we have is choice.

JPT · 07-10-2019, 04:44 PM - **1 Like**

I think this photo was taken in Osaka. In the months after CP+, Ricoh displayed the same exhibits at the Ricoh Imaging Square Osaka. It makes sense, because CP+ is not great for residents in west Japan to get to.

???????????? ???????? ??GR?DFA*85mm???????????? / ?????? / ??????? Ricoh Imaging News / Beautiful Photo-life | RICOH IMAGING

As for release timing, they mentioned that the DFA 85mm was at about the same stage of development as the DFA 50mm was when they showed a similar mockup. It would imply a release at the next CP+. I think Christmas is a bit optimistic, but optimistic is the best way to be. My impression was that the DFA70-200/4 is still likely to come before this.

CNunez · 07-11-2019, 12:38 PM - **1 Like**

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Mistral75 · 07-11-2019, 12:42 PM

Why did you stop?

biz-engineer · 07-11-2019, 01:11 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by JPT

???????????? ???????? ??GR?DFA*85mm???????????? / ?????? / ??????? Ricoh Imaging News / Beautiful Photo-life | RICOH IMAGING

Looks like Ricoh decided to go top class with those primes and don't care much about the time to achieve that goal. Quality priority #1, release date priority #2. It's bold.

07-10-2019, 11:15 AM	#321
robbiec Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Cork Photos: Albums Posts: 1,882	So is a Christmas release this year for the HD DFA85 a reasonably solid bet? I've been too busy taking private family photos to take any notice of rumours recently. I'll start building a war chest of say about €1800? Last edited by robbiec; 07-10-2019 at 02:31 PM. Reason: Rephrased initial sentence to allow for a more accurate reading*

07-10-2019, 03:06 PM - 3 Likes	#326
BROO Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 655	When looking at the cross section of the D FA* 50 you can see just how much work goes into one of these things. You really can't complain about the cost. We really do live in an age of privilege when the biggest problem we have is choice. Last edited by BROO; 07-10-2019 at 03:17 PM.

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normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by biz-engineer Mostly D800/D800E/D810 users here. They are mostly wildlife shooters here, so the extra MP for cropping) and frame rate are probably more important than to the average shooter.

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biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,229	Anyway, for the D-FA85, the date of Christmas for Pentaxians is the same as for everyone else, it's December 25th and not in July or August. You got to write your letter to Santa and be nice with you wife/husband, and maybe your D-FA85 will be at the bottom of the Christmas tree.

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Wheatfield Moderator Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The wheatfields of Canada Posts: 15,976	Originally posted by biz-engineer Looks like the same lens case as was shown last year or earlier this year. Will the 85mm lens made of a stretch and lift of DFA*50 lens elements (that's how Sigma turn their 150-400mm lens into a 150-600mm, the last 200mm are usually not that sharp). After all , focal length is related to the distance between the diaphragm and the sensor. If anyone thinks the 85 is going to be anything other than a lens that is at the top of the performance scale, they have obviously not been paying attention. Pentax is not SIG-nificant MA-lfunction. Focal length is related to the distance from the rear nodal point to the sensor. Where the diaphragm is located has nothing to do with focal length.

07-10-2019, 08:34 AM	#319
gaweidert Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Rochester, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 5,325	Originally posted by normhead Looks like they are waiting for time on the production line. Many people who do not understand how modern manufacturing works, will not understand how true this statement is. Since everything seems to worship the "just in time" gods, it is amazing how any glitch in the schedule really screws things up. It cost a delay of almost one year in the release of the K1. With most cameras being manufactured by third party companies who rent out time on their assembly lines, moving around in the schedule it a very expensive proposition. In the mid 90's there were name brand cameras coming off assembly lines in China with the "Made in Japan" stamp on them. Japan had passed special laws to allow this to happen.

07-10-2019, 10:37 AM	#320
RGlasel Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Saskatoon Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,227	Originally posted by gaweidert With most cameras being manufactured by third party companies who rent out time on their assembly lines, moving around in the schedule it a very expensive proposition. In the mid 90's there were name brand cameras coming off assembly lines in China with the "Made in Japan" stamp on them. Japan had passed special laws to allow this to happen. The equipment, facilities and trained staff necessary to manufacture 21,000,000 interchangeable lens cameras in 2012 won't have completely evaporated and with 2019 poduction well behind the nearly 11 million ILC's built in 2018, lack of production capacity is quite implausible. Lens production doesn't flucuate as much as camera production, but the trendline is very similar, so the demand exceeding supply argument doesn't hold water for lenses either. New products are being delayed because the downward trend in the industry is scaring Ricoh management from spending new money to produce them.

07-10-2019, 11:22 AM - 7 Likes	#322
ffking Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Old South Wales Posts: 6,038	Originally posted by robbiec So is Christmas this year a reasonably solid bet? Yup - it's definitely due to happen - on the 25th Dec, so I'm reliably informed.

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Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,651	Originally posted by robbiec So is Christmas this year a reasonably solid bet? I've been too busy taking private family photos to take any notice of rumours recently. I'll start building a war chest of say about €1800? Who knows? I would bet the DFA *85 won't be released til spring of next year, but I would be glad to be proven wrong. I would guess pricing of 1600 dollars/Euros. Nikon's new 85mm f1.4 is 1800 dollars, but Canon's 85mm f1.2 for mirrorless is 2600 dollars, so that gives a ballpark figure, but I guess we'll see, won't we?

07-10-2019, 12:16 PM	#324
SteveinSLC Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2017 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 568	Some of us are rooting for the 70-200 F4 before the 85.

07-10-2019, 12:28 PM	#325
paolojackson Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 379	This will definitely be my next lens to replace my 77 ltd. The longer it takes, the more time I can save??

07-10-2019, 04:44 PM - 1 Like	#327
JPT Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Tokyo Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,821	I think this photo was taken in Osaka. In the months after CP+, Ricoh displayed the same exhibits at the Ricoh Imaging Square Osaka. It makes sense, because CP+ is not great for residents in west Japan to get to. ???????????? ???????? ??GR?DFA*85mm???????????? / ?????? / ??????? Ricoh Imaging News / Beautiful Photo-life \| RICOH IMAGING As for release timing, they mentioned that the DFA 85mm was at about the same stage of development as the DFA 50mm was when they showed a similar mockup. It would imply a release at the next CP+. I think Christmas is a bit optimistic, but optimistic is the best way to be. My impression was that the DFA70-200/4 is still likely to come before this.

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07-11-2019, 12:38 PM - 1 Like	#328
CNunez Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Photos: Gallery Posts: 168	All wait and no release date... makes Cliff a dull boy All wait and no release date... makes Cliff a dull boy All wait and no release date... makes Cliff a dull boy All wait and no release date... makes Cliff a dull boy All wait and no release date... makes Cliff a dull boy All wait and no release date... makes Cliff a dull boy All wait and no release date... makes Cliff a dull boy All wait and no release date... makes Cliff a dull boy All wait and no release date... makes Cliff a dull boy All wait and no release date... makes Cliff a dull boy All wait and no release date... makes Cliff a dull boy All wait and no release date... makes Cliff a dull boy All wait and no release date... makes Cliff a dull boy All wait and no release date... makes Cliff a dull boy All wait and no release date... makes Cliff a dull boy All wait and no release date... makes Cliff a dull boy ;[

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Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Why did you stop?

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biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,229	Originally posted by JPT ???????????? ???????? ??GR?DFA*85mm???????????? / ?????? / ??????? Ricoh Imaging News / Beautiful Photo-life \| RICOH IMAGING Looks like Ricoh decided to go top class with those primes and don't care much about the time to achieve that goal. Quality priority #1, release date priority #2. It's bold.