The Pentax K1 III might be close

rawr · 04-05-2019, 04:36 PM

Following the hardware trends of Nikon and Sony, any genuine K-1 III leak would need to reveal:
- 42 or 46 MP (42MP since 2015 on A7RII/A7RIII, 45MP since 2017 on D850/Z7)
- more sophisticated AF (inc viewfinder face and eye-AF, 100+ AF points);
- fancy video options (inc 4K);
- extra metering intelligence (linked to AF for tracking);
- improved stabilisation;
- UHS-II and XQD media support;
- WiFi, BlueTooth support;
- something something touch screen, AI.

**monochrome** · 04-05-2019, 04:56 PM

Originally posted by rawr

Following the hardware trends of Nikon and Sony, any genuine K-1 III leak would need to reveal:
- 42 or 46 MP (42MP since 2015 on A7RII/A7RIII, 45MP since 2017 on D850/Z7)
- more sophisticated AF (inc viewfinder face and eye-AF, 100+ AF points);
- fancy video options (inc 4K);
- extra metering intelligence (linked to AF for tracking);
- improved stabilisation;
- UHS-II and XQD media support;
- WiFi, BlueTooth support;
- something something touch screen, AI.

What’s the most modern APSc sensor out there?

rawr · 04-05-2019, 05:19 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

What’s the most modern APSc sensor out there?

Probably the A6400's 24MP sensor. Even though it is practically the same sensor as the older A6300/6500's. The 24MP sensor in the Ricoh GR III may also be pretty new.

Nikon has some recent 24MP (eg D3500 from 2018) and 21MP ones too (D7500, D500), but the 21MP's may be Nikon customizations rather than the off-the-shelf Sony sensor's Pentax would probably use.

**clickclick** · 04-05-2019, 08:11 PM - **1 Like**

It's a quad 24MP folding sensor that delivers an effective 96MP

rawr · 04-05-2019, 09:20 PM

Originally posted by clickclick

It's a quad 24MP folding sensor that delivers an effective 96MP

Sounds very modern. I like it.

Integrating more of the incredibly powerful tech that is becoming commonplace in the mobile phone world into DSLR's is long overdue, and it's a trend Pentax isn't alone in ignoring.

Huawei (or Samsung, again) should get together with Ricoh and do something amazing for the next Pentax DSLR's.

biz-engineer · 04-05-2019, 10:00 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by rawr

Huawei (or Samsung, again) should get together with Ricoh and do something amazing for the next Pentax DSLR's.

I've got a Huawei that is supposed to deliver DSLR like images, but the images weren't convincing, I still use my K1 for photogrpahy, I use the Huawei to snap some documents for sending over. The grass is greener elsewhere including with mobile phone, until it's not.

---------- Post added 06-04-19 at 07:01 ----------

Originally posted by rawr

Following the hardware trends of Nikon and Sony, any genuine K-1 III leak would need to reveal:- 42 or 46 MP (42MP since 2015 on A7RII/A7RIII, 45MP since 2017 on D850/Z7)- more sophisticated AF (inc viewfinder face and eye-AF, 100+ AF points);- fancy video options (inc 4K);- extra metering intelligence (linked to AF for tracking);- improved stabilisation;- UHS-II and XQD media support;- WiFi, BlueTooth support;- something something touch screen, AI.

Sony and Nikon make up your needs, even if you don't need them.

rawr · 04-05-2019, 10:49 PM

Originally posted by biz-engineer

Sony and Nikon make up your needs, even if you don't need them.

It's a classic story. Even if I don't have needs, it's the job of marketing to invent them.

Kunzite · 04-06-2019, 12:08 AM - **4 Likes**

Originally posted by biz-engineer

I've got a Huawei that is supposed to deliver DSLR like images, but the images weren't convincing, I still use my K1 for photogrpahy, I use the Huawei to snap some documents for sending over. The grass is greener elsewhere including with mobile phone, until it's not

You can get DSLR like images with your Huawei, the same way Huawei does: use a DSLR then lie about those images being made with the phone.
You have the first part right already

**Belnan** · 04-06-2019, 05:22 AM

Sony has a new high speed 36MP sensor, it would be nice to see the K1 use this one. However I suspect users would demand more resolution.

normhead · 04-06-2019, 05:25 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Belnan

Sony has a new high speed 36MP sensor, it would be nice to see the K1 use this one. However I suspect users would demand more resolution.

Not me, I'd like a faster frame rate and bigger buffer. Most of my images these days are reduced to 3840x2160 for viewing on my 4k TV. Even 36 MP is overkill. If you need more MP there's the 645z.

rawr · 04-06-2019, 05:52 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by Belnan

However I suspect users would demand more resolution.

I've often said Pentax should have walked the same path as Sony and Nikon when they introduced their FF - introduce both 24MP and 36MP models (D600/D800, A7/A7R etc).

I personally would have been perfectly happy with a 24MP K-1. 24MP and pixel-shift would still do amazing things, if needed, and meanwhile you'd probably get better buffer, snappier performance overall, and my poor computer would have an easier time processing the images.

repaap · 04-06-2019, 06:16 AM

Originally posted by Belnan

Sony has a new high speed 36MP sensor, it would be nice to see the K1 use this one. However I suspect users would demand more resolution.

Originally posted by normhead

Not me, I'd like a faster frame rate and bigger buffer. Most of my images these days are reduced to 3840x2160 for viewing on my 4k TV. Even 36 MP is overkill. If you need more MP there's the 645z.

Originally posted by rawr

I've often said Pentax should have walked the same path as Sony and Nikon when they introduced their FF - introduce both 24MP and 36MP models (D600/D800, A7/A7R etc).

I personally would have been perfectly happy with a 24MP K-1. 24MP and pixel-shift would still do amazing things, if needed, and meanwhile you'd probably get better buffer, snappier performance overall, and my poor computer would have an easier time processing the images.

36 MP is good more is not needed. But 24 is not bad either for more quick camera. But for me 36 is sweet spot. K-1 is most of time quick enough. Little more quick, but quite a bit faster AF and perhaps video 25/30 4K with 60 p with atleast 100mb/s transfer rate, and I would be more than happy. Even with out video improvement I would be happy.

totsmuyco · 04-06-2019, 06:57 AM

I'm not into full frame and I'm still waiting what would be the next APSC camera. Not that I need one but, I would like to see what's next in the APSC line.

reh321 · 04-06-2019, 07:51 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by BigMackCam

I think we'd need a couple of paramedics on site

Based on comments here
Acceleration Chip (K1mkII, KP and K70) - What's the Difference - PentaxForums.com
that might be needed anyway when the long-awaited K-3ii replacement uses the 'accelerator'.

reh321 · 04-06-2019, 08:04 AM

Originally posted by rawr

I've often said Pentax should have walked the same path as Sony and Nikon when they introduced their FF - introduce both 24MP and 36MP models (D600/D800, A7/A7R etc).

I personally would have been perfectly happy with a 24MP K-1. 24MP and pixel-shift would still do amazing things, if needed, and meanwhile you'd probably get better buffer, snappier performance overall, and my poor computer would have an easier time processing the images.

Nikon users keep asking for a D750 followup - another 24mp FF camera - mainly because of the low-noise advantage they get from that camera.

I would think that a 24mp FF camera would be advantageous for Pentax because it could share components after the sensor with the K-3ii / KP.

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04-05-2019, 04:36 PM	#16
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Following the hardware trends of Nikon and Sony, any genuine K-1 III leak would need to reveal: - 42 or 46 MP (42MP since 2015 on A7RII/A7RIII, 45MP since 2017 on D850/Z7) - more sophisticated AF (inc viewfinder face and eye-AF, 100+ AF points); - fancy video options (inc 4K); - extra metering intelligence (linked to AF for tracking); - improved stabilisation; - UHS-II and XQD media support; - WiFi, BlueTooth support; - something something touch screen, AI.

04-05-2019, 04:56 PM	#17
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by rawr Following the hardware trends of Nikon and Sony, any genuine K-1 III leak would need to reveal: - 42 or 46 MP (42MP since 2015 on A7RII/A7RIII, 45MP since 2017 on D850/Z7) - more sophisticated AF (inc viewfinder face and eye-AF, 100+ AF points); - fancy video options (inc 4K); - extra metering intelligence (linked to AF for tracking); - improved stabilisation; - UHS-II and XQD media support; - WiFi, BlueTooth support; - something something touch screen, AI. What’s the most modern APSc sensor out there?

04-05-2019, 05:19 PM	#18
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by monochrome What’s the most modern APSc sensor out there? Probably the A6400's 24MP sensor. Even though it is practically the same sensor as the older A6300/6500's. The 24MP sensor in the Ricoh GR III may also be pretty new. Nikon has some recent 24MP (eg D3500 from 2018) and 21MP ones too (D7500, D500), but the 21MP's may be Nikon customizations rather than the off-the-shelf Sony sensor's Pentax would probably use.

04-05-2019, 08:11 PM - 1 Like	#19
clickclick Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: May 2016 Location: East Coast Posts: 2,903	It's a quad 24MP folding sensor that delivers an effective 96MP

04-05-2019, 09:20 PM	#20
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by clickclick It's a quad 24MP folding sensor that delivers an effective 96MP Sounds very modern. I like it. Integrating more of the incredibly powerful tech that is becoming commonplace in the mobile phone world into DSLR's is long overdue, and it's a trend Pentax isn't alone in ignoring. Huawei (or Samsung, again) should get together with Ricoh and do something amazing for the next Pentax DSLR's.

04-05-2019, 10:00 PM - 1 Like	#21
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,231	Originally posted by rawr Huawei (or Samsung, again) should get together with Ricoh and do something amazing for the next Pentax DSLR's. I've got a Huawei that is supposed to deliver DSLR like images, but the images weren't convincing, I still use my K1 for photogrpahy, I use the Huawei to snap some documents for sending over. The grass is greener elsewhere including with mobile phone, until it's not. ---------- Post added 06-04-19 at 07:01 ---------- Originally posted by rawr Following the hardware trends of Nikon and Sony, any genuine K-1 III leak would need to reveal:- 42 or 46 MP (42MP since 2015 on A7RII/A7RIII, 45MP since 2017 on D850/Z7)- more sophisticated AF (inc viewfinder face and eye-AF, 100+ AF points);- fancy video options (inc 4K);- extra metering intelligence (linked to AF for tracking);- improved stabilisation;- UHS-II and XQD media support;- WiFi, BlueTooth support;- something something touch screen, AI. Sony and Nikon make up your needs, even if you don't need them.

04-05-2019, 10:49 PM	#22
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by biz-engineer Sony and Nikon make up your needs, even if you don't need them. It's a classic story. Even if I don't have needs, it's the job of marketing to invent them.

04-06-2019, 12:08 AM - 4 Likes	#23
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by biz-engineer I've got a Huawei that is supposed to deliver DSLR like images, but the images weren't convincing, I still use my K1 for photogrpahy, I use the Huawei to snap some documents for sending over. The grass is greener elsewhere including with mobile phone, until it's not You can get DSLR like images with your Huawei, the same way Huawei does: use a DSLR then lie about those images being made with the phone. You have the first part right already

04-06-2019, 05:22 AM	#24
Belnan Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Nova Scotia Photos: Albums Posts: 1,090 Original Poster	Sony has a new high speed 36MP sensor, it would be nice to see the K1 use this one. However I suspect users would demand more resolution.

04-06-2019, 05:25 AM - 1 Like	#25
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by Belnan Sony has a new high speed 36MP sensor, it would be nice to see the K1 use this one. However I suspect users would demand more resolution. Not me, I'd like a faster frame rate and bigger buffer. Most of my images these days are reduced to 3840x2160 for viewing on my 4k TV. Even 36 MP is overkill. If you need more MP there's the 645z.

04-06-2019, 05:52 AM - 2 Likes	#26
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by Belnan However I suspect users would demand more resolution. I've often said Pentax should have walked the same path as Sony and Nikon when they introduced their FF - introduce both 24MP and 36MP models (D600/D800, A7/A7R etc). I personally would have been perfectly happy with a 24MP K-1. 24MP and pixel-shift would still do amazing things, if needed, and meanwhile you'd probably get better buffer, snappier performance overall, and my poor computer would have an easier time processing the images.

04-06-2019, 06:16 AM	#27
repaap Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,242	Originally posted by Belnan Sony has a new high speed 36MP sensor, it would be nice to see the K1 use this one. However I suspect users would demand more resolution. Originally posted by normhead Not me, I'd like a faster frame rate and bigger buffer. Most of my images these days are reduced to 3840x2160 for viewing on my 4k TV. Even 36 MP is overkill. If you need more MP there's the 645z. Originally posted by rawr I've often said Pentax should have walked the same path as Sony and Nikon when they introduced their FF - introduce both 24MP and 36MP models (D600/D800, A7/A7R etc). I personally would have been perfectly happy with a 24MP K-1. 24MP and pixel-shift would still do amazing things, if needed, and meanwhile you'd probably get better buffer, snappier performance overall, and my poor computer would have an easier time processing the images. 36 MP is good more is not needed. But 24 is not bad either for more quick camera. But for me 36 is sweet spot. K-1 is most of time quick enough. Little more quick, but quite a bit faster AF and perhaps video 25/30 4K with 60 p with atleast 100mb/s transfer rate, and I would be more than happy. Even with out video improvement I would be happy.

04-06-2019, 06:57 AM	#28
totsmuyco Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Iloilo City Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,276	I'm not into full frame and I'm still waiting what would be the next APSC camera. Not that I need one but, I would like to see what's next in the APSC line.

04-06-2019, 07:51 AM - 1 Like	#29
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,177	Originally posted by BigMackCam I think we'd need a couple of paramedics on site Based on comments here Acceleration Chip (K1mkII, KP and K70) - What's the Difference - PentaxForums.com that might be needed anyway when the long-awaited K-3ii replacement uses the 'accelerator'.

04-06-2019, 08:04 AM	#30
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,177	Originally posted by rawr I've often said Pentax should have walked the same path as Sony and Nikon when they introduced their FF - introduce both 24MP and 36MP models (D600/D800, A7/A7R etc). I personally would have been perfectly happy with a 24MP K-1. 24MP and pixel-shift would still do amazing things, if needed, and meanwhile you'd probably get better buffer, snappier performance overall, and my poor computer would have an easier time processing the images. Nikon users keep asking for a D750 followup - another 24mp FF camera - mainly because of the low-noise advantage they get from that camera. I would think that a 24mp FF camera would be advantageous for Pentax because it could share components after the sensor with the K-3ii / KP.