Pentax KP J Limited edition released

Zivelot · 06-13-2019, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by RobA_Oz

It does have a precedent in Raymond Loewy's "streamlined" trains, as far as styling goes. The fact that the trains turned out to be noticeably heavier than their more functionally-styled origins didn't seem to get in the way of their general appreciation.

I don't mind the pentagonal styling, but I wish there was more substance to it.

I have googled those trains. You certainly have a point here.

JPT · 06-13-2019, 04:45 PM - **1 Like**

It’s probably only momentary, but it’s #1 on the Yodobashi Camera DSLR bestseller list.

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So this confirms a couple of things:
- This kind of product does have a market of some kind
- The KP J is not only on sale through Ricoh direct

Another thing I noticed while looking down that list is that Pentax is doing a lot better relative to other DSLR brands (Canon, Nikon) than in the past. I’m not saying that Pentax sales are increasing, because the whole category must be in decline. But if there is a collapse in DSLR sales, it’s with the brands that have plotted a clear strategy away from DSLRs.

Dr_who · 06-13-2019, 06:23 PM

Originally posted by pres589

Seems like a pretty easy way for Ricoh to have done *something* with Pentax this year. I hope that's not what they had in mind for the 100 Years of Asahi or whatever they were calling it.

My fear is that this is it for 2019. I'm usually not pessimistic like this about Pentax but I could really see this being all we see new for the year.

I'm sure they will announce a couple new products towards the end of the year in tandem with its official 100yr bday, but I don't think it'll have a release date before Christmas

**monochrome** · 06-13-2019, 06:30 PM

Originally posted by Dr_who

I'm sure they will announce a couple new products towards the end of the year in tandem with its official 100yr bday, but I don't think it'll have a release date before Christmas

I think they’ll announce a new camera platform and several lenses - some of which we aren’t hearing about - in late August for release around the 100th Anniversary (and in time for the Holiday shopping season.

tvdtvdtvd · 06-13-2019, 09:41 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

I think they’ll announce a new camera platform and several lenses - some of which we aren’t hearing about - in late August for release around the 100th Anniversary (and in time for the Holiday shopping season.

A new platform, even? You are ambitious. What are you speculating? FF mirrorless or something completely off the beaten path.

I think that highly unlikely, despite Pentax' penchant for doing the unexpected. They're WAY overdue for the FF flagship and 645
replacement. I expect an announcement on the K-3 successor and perhaps something not yet hinted at, (weather sealed
DA Limiteds? Return of the Q?).

A whole new platform would be quite a surprise indeed, albeit counter to everything Ricoh has hinted at, (limited resources, commitment
to the DSLR platforms, etc.).

**pres589** · 06-13-2019, 10:51 PM

Gimme a full frame rangefinder K-02 with IBIS, the low light abilties of the KP, and some kind of new school 24mm f2.8 prime. That's 100 years on top.

biz-engineer · 06-13-2019, 11:45 PM - **1 Like**

The KP customer is like chips, grilled peanuts and beer before the main meal.

JPT · 06-14-2019, 01:06 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by pres589

Gimme a full frame rangefinder K-02 with IBIS, the low light abilties of the KP, and some kind of new school 24mm f2.8 prime. That's 100 years on top.

Sounds like you need a GR III. Seems to tick most of your boxes.

Zygonyx · 06-14-2019, 01:12 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by biz-engineer

The KP customer is like chips, grilled peanuts and beer before the main meal.

Appetizer

D1N0 · 06-14-2019, 01:38 AM

A bit silly this.

**ffking** · 06-14-2019, 01:44 AM

A bit off topic - or original topic, anyay - but what do we reckon the the 26Mp sensor rumour ?

Ricoh/Pentax rumored to be buying 26MP APS-C sensors for a new DSLR camera - Pentax Rumors

MetalUndivided · 06-14-2019, 01:50 AM

Originally posted by ffking

A bit off topic - or original topic, anyay - but what do we reckon the the 26Mp sensor rumour ?

Ricoh/Pentax rumored to be buying 26MP APS-C sensors for a new DSLR camera - Pentax Rumors

It's clearly a mirrorless sensor and considering that the GR3 came out very recently, I don't think we'll see it in Pentax cameras any time soon. Probably never.

D1N0 · 06-14-2019, 02:48 AM

Originally posted by MetalUndivided

It's clearly a mirrorless sensor and considering that the GR3 came out very recently, I don't think we'll see it in Pentax cameras any time soon. Probably never.

I don't think this sensor is mirrorless exclusive, or that Sony will be making dedicated dslr sensors for just Pentax and Nikon. One size fits all. Maybe you pay less when you don't use on sensor pdaf because you don't have to license Sony patents for it.

**Rondec** · 06-14-2019, 02:56 AM

Originally posted by MetalUndivided

It's clearly a mirrorless sensor and considering that the GR3 came out very recently, I don't think we'll see it in Pentax cameras any time soon. Probably never.

Doesn't the KP have PDAF points on the sensor that it uses in live view mode?

MetalUndivided · 06-14-2019, 02:59 AM

Originally posted by D1N0

I don't think this sensor is mirrorless exclusive, or that Sony will be making dedicated dslr sensors for just Pentax and Nikon. One size fits all. Maybe you pay less when you don't use on sensor pdaf because you don't have to license Sony patents for it.

As far as I'm aware that's not quite how it works. $ony does manufacture sensors for other companies but as far as I'm aware they do so based on the specifications provided by the client.
I'd expect to see this sensor in a new $ony a6X00 series camera.

---------- Post added 06-14-19 at 03:05 AM ----------

Originally posted by Rondec

Doesn't the KP have PDAF points on the sensor that it uses in live view mode?

The specs on the Ricoh's website have no mention of PDAF in LiveView, contrast detection only.

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06-13-2019, 03:30 PM	#31
Zivelot Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Great Plain, Hungary Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 204	Originally posted by RobA_Oz It does have a precedent in Raymond Loewy's "streamlined" trains, as far as styling goes. The fact that the trains turned out to be noticeably heavier than their more functionally-styled origins didn't seem to get in the way of their general appreciation. I don't mind the pentagonal styling, but I wish there was more substance to it. I have googled those trains. You certainly have a point here.

06-13-2019, 04:45 PM - 1 Like	#32
JPT Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Tokyo Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,821 Original Poster	It’s probably only momentary, but it’s #1 on the Yodobashi Camera DSLR bestseller list. ????.com - ???????? ??????????????? So this confirms a couple of things: - This kind of product does have a market of some kind - The KP J is not only on sale through Ricoh direct Another thing I noticed while looking down that list is that Pentax is doing a lot better relative to other DSLR brands (Canon, Nikon) than in the past. I’m not saying that Pentax sales are increasing, because the whole category must be in decline. But if there is a collapse in DSLR sales, it’s with the brands that have plotted a clear strategy away from DSLRs.

06-13-2019, 06:23 PM	#33
Dr_who Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 777	Originally posted by pres589 Seems like a pretty easy way for Ricoh to have done something with Pentax this year. I hope that's not what they had in mind for the 100 Years of Asahi or whatever they were calling it. My fear is that this is it for 2019. I'm usually not pessimistic like this about Pentax but I could really see this being all we see new for the year. I'm sure they will announce a couple new products towards the end of the year in tandem with its official 100yr bday, but I don't think it'll have a release date before Christmas

06-13-2019, 06:30 PM	#34
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by Dr_who I'm sure they will announce a couple new products towards the end of the year in tandem with its official 100yr bday, but I don't think it'll have a release date before Christmas I think they’ll announce a new camera platform and several lenses - some of which we aren’t hearing about - in late August for release around the 100th Anniversary (and in time for the Holiday shopping season.

06-13-2019, 09:41 PM	#35
tvdtvdtvd Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,665	Originally posted by monochrome I think they’ll announce a new camera platform and several lenses - some of which we aren’t hearing about - in late August for release around the 100th Anniversary (and in time for the Holiday shopping season. A new platform, even? You are ambitious. What are you speculating? FF mirrorless or something completely off the beaten path. I think that highly unlikely, despite Pentax' penchant for doing the unexpected. They're WAY overdue for the FF flagship and 645 replacement. I expect an announcement on the K-3 successor and perhaps something not yet hinted at, (weather sealed DA Limiteds? Return of the Q?). A whole new platform would be quite a surprise indeed, albeit counter to everything Ricoh has hinted at, (limited resources, commitment to the DSLR platforms, etc.).

06-13-2019, 10:51 PM	#36
pres589 Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Wichita, KS Photos: Albums Posts: 4,529	Gimme a full frame rangefinder K-02 with IBIS, the low light abilties of the KP, and some kind of new school 24mm f2.8 prime. That's 100 years on top.

06-13-2019, 11:45 PM - 1 Like	#37
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,231	The KP customer is like chips, grilled peanuts and beer before the main meal.

06-14-2019, 01:06 AM - 1 Like	#38
JPT Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Tokyo Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,821 Original Poster	Originally posted by pres589 Gimme a full frame rangefinder K-02 with IBIS, the low light abilties of the KP, and some kind of new school 24mm f2.8 prime. That's 100 years on top. Sounds like you need a GR III. Seems to tick most of your boxes.

06-14-2019, 01:12 AM - 1 Like	#39
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	Originally posted by biz-engineer The KP customer is like chips, grilled peanuts and beer before the main meal. Appetizer

06-14-2019, 01:38 AM	#40
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	A bit silly this.

06-14-2019, 01:44 AM	#41
ffking Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Old South Wales Posts: 6,038	A bit off topic - or original topic, anyay - but what do we reckon the the 26Mp sensor rumour ? Ricoh/Pentax rumored to be buying 26MP APS-C sensors for a new DSLR camera - Pentax Rumors

06-14-2019, 01:50 AM	#42
MetalUndivided Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2019 Location: Irkutsk, Russia Posts: 134	Originally posted by ffking A bit off topic - or original topic, anyay - but what do we reckon the the 26Mp sensor rumour ? Ricoh/Pentax rumored to be buying 26MP APS-C sensors for a new DSLR camera - Pentax Rumors It's clearly a mirrorless sensor and considering that the GR3 came out very recently, I don't think we'll see it in Pentax cameras any time soon. Probably never.

06-14-2019, 02:48 AM	#43
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	Originally posted by MetalUndivided It's clearly a mirrorless sensor and considering that the GR3 came out very recently, I don't think we'll see it in Pentax cameras any time soon. Probably never. I don't think this sensor is mirrorless exclusive, or that Sony will be making dedicated dslr sensors for just Pentax and Nikon. One size fits all. Maybe you pay less when you don't use on sensor pdaf because you don't have to license Sony patents for it.

06-14-2019, 02:56 AM	#44
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,653	Originally posted by MetalUndivided It's clearly a mirrorless sensor and considering that the GR3 came out very recently, I don't think we'll see it in Pentax cameras any time soon. Probably never. Doesn't the KP have PDAF points on the sensor that it uses in live view mode?

06-14-2019, 02:59 AM	#45
MetalUndivided Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2019 Location: Irkutsk, Russia Posts: 134	Originally posted by D1N0 I don't think this sensor is mirrorless exclusive, or that Sony will be making dedicated dslr sensors for just Pentax and Nikon. One size fits all. Maybe you pay less when you don't use on sensor pdaf because you don't have to license Sony patents for it. As far as I'm aware that's not quite how it works. $ony does manufacture sensors for other companies but as far as I'm aware they do so based on the specifications provided by the client. I'd expect to see this sensor in a new $ony a6X00 series camera. ---------- Post added 06-14-19 at 03:05 AM ---------- Originally posted by Rondec Doesn't the KP have PDAF points on the sensor that it uses in live view mode? The specs on the Ricoh's website have no mention of PDAF in LiveView, contrast detection only.