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swanlefitte · 07-01-2019, 01:27 AM

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Of the 14 new cameras of 2019 only 2 are dslr and neither has been released. The Canon 90d and the Nikon 760. If both of those and Pentax released in the same quarter there should be a huge climb in sales.

biz-engineer · 07-01-2019, 01:28 AM

Originally posted by Serkevan

Add this to the fact that the Canikon execs are seemingly running around pushing MILCs and halting all DSLR development and it's no wonder that most users just... wait and see. Is EF dead? Will RF

There's no hurry. Let see the systems unfold, than take the best out of the bunch. It's testing times for camera makers. Now that the tech is good enough, chances are that second stuff is a good way to same money. Some people want to have the latest tech and sell very good previous models with low shutter count. Being content without the latest models can save a ton a money and still enjoy taking pictures.

**Serkevan** · 07-01-2019, 01:37 AM

Originally posted by biz-engineer

There's no hurry. Let see the systems unfold, than take the best out of the bunch. It's testing times for camera makers. Now that the tech is good enough, chances are that second stuff is a good way to same money. Some people want to have the latest tech and sell very good previous models with low shutter count. Being content without the latest models can save a ton a money and still enjoy taking pictures.

Absolutely: I'm in no hurry (years of gaming have taught me that chasing the latest tech is REALLY cost-inefficient) to upgrade. The day I get frustrated with the K7 and chuck it into the ocean* after yet another terrible low-light shot will be the day I upgrade... probably to a K3/KP or maybe K1 Mk1 if they are under 1K by then (they are almost there already, barely used). And that day will probably not come any time soon.

*Which all things considered, might not even kill it.

Mistral75 · 07-01-2019, 01:50 AM

Originally posted by Serkevan

(...) entry level DSLRs, which are getting pummeled because the target market overlaps the most with the smartphone crowd. (...)

Yet midrange and high-end DSLRs get even more pummelled than entry-level DSLRs: the drop in DSLR shipments during the first five months of the year is higher in shipment value (minus 44.7 per cent.) than in unit numbers (minus 35.4 per cent.)

**Serkevan** · 07-01-2019, 02:03 AM

Originally posted by Mistral75

Yet midrange and high-end DSLRs get even more pummelled than entry-level DSLRs: the drop in DSLR shipments during the first five months of the year is higher in shipment value (minus 44.7 per cent.) than in unit numbers (minus 35.4 per cent.)

Yes, but I assume that to be the fault of Canikon's release schedule: Canon had nothing new high-end since the 5D4 and 6D2 in 2016 or so, and Nikon had the D850 in late 2017 (which probably sold quite a lot in early 2018?), no one else apart from Pentax is makind DSLRs and Pentax basically doesn't affect CIPA numbers.

swanlefitte · 07-01-2019, 02:03 AM

Sept 2018 nikon d3500
April 2019 EOS Rebel SL3 / EOS 250D
Coming soon
Canon d90
Nikon d760
Nikon d6
Nikon d5700
Nikon d7600
Pentax

Who else makes dslrs?

Mistral75 · 07-01-2019, 02:08 AM

Originally posted by Serkevan

Yes, but I assume that to be the fault of Canikon's release schedule: Canon had nothing new high-end since the 5D4 and 6D2 in 2016 or so, and Nikon had the D850 in late 2017 (which probably sold quite a lot in early 2018?), no one else apart from Pentax is makind DSLRs and Pentax basically doesn't affect CIPA numbers.

That plus the increased competition from high-end mirrorless cameras since Canon, Nikon and Panasonic launched a bunch of 24x36 mirrorless cameras in 2018H2 and 2019H1.

Mistral75 · 07-01-2019, 02:10 AM

Originally posted by swanlefitte

(...)

Who else makes dslrs?

Hasselblad, Leica and Phase One but they don't affect CIPA numbers.

**Rondec** · 07-01-2019, 02:41 AM

Recently released cameras do tend to sell better than ones that have been on the market awhile. Canon and Nikon's MILCs probably haven't sold like they hoped they would, but they probably are doing better than cameras like the 5D Mk IV and D750, which are pretty long in the tooth.

But everything is slowing, even mirrorless and there have been enough recent mirrorless releases that that should be holding steady or growing. Otherwise you have a situation where more brands are slicing up a smaller pie. Used to be that it was just Sony, Olympus, Fuji, and Panasonic in that category, but Canon and Nikon are scrapping pretty hard for their share of that market now too.

**Serkevan** · 07-01-2019, 02:46 AM

It seems that both Canon and Nikon's idea with their respective FF mirrorless systems is to crank the quality of their lenses as much as they can and "remind Sony who is boss". The problem is that it means releasing ridiculously expensive lenses, and in the case of Canon their bodies are not really helping* from what I keep seeing.

*In so far as you nitpick and complain that "it's not an A7RIII with the fast fps of an A9". I'm 100% sure the R is perfectly adequate.

RonHendriks1966 · 07-01-2019, 05:26 AM

What I think Pentax should do......

Make a K-124 fullframe model that is in all other ways the same as the K-1ii, just with a 24mp full frame sensor. Nothing else new in fullframe is needed until early 2021.

reh321 · 07-01-2019, 06:00 AM

Originally posted by Karen the Star

I see, by the way, today is the day that this year had already gone half, still Pentax doesn't bring us any information about new camera and other products...

ughhhhhhhhhh ＼＼\٩(๑`^´๑)۶//／／　

Based on the comments at 2019 CP+, I gave up hoping for a new camera body from Pentax before Autumn.

Mistral75 · 07-01-2019, 06:15 AM

Originally posted by reh321

Based on the comments at 2019 CP+, I gave up hoping for a new camera body from Pentax before Autumn.

Make it southern hemisphere's autumn and I am with you on this one.

biz-engineer · 07-01-2019, 06:21 AM

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

Make a K-124 fullframe model that is in all other ways the same as the K-1ii, just with a 24mp full frame sensor. Nothing else new in fullframe is needed until early 2021.

That's what I was expecting for the K1 mark II (including AF tracking improvement that they did on the actual K1 II). At least we know that the K1 shutter / mirror can work at 6.6 FPS, and the K3 imaging pipeline is capable of processing 24Mp at 8.3 FPS. In a K1-24Mp version, get rid of pixel shift (or leave it as is , if removing it require effort), add focus bracketing for macros. IMO, the current K1 II model came too early and without enough value for users to appreciate.

**Serkevan** · 07-01-2019, 06:28 AM

Honestly, if they make a K-1 Mk 1.5 with lower resolution while keeping the dynamic range and high-ISO performance, slightly faster shooting speed and some AF improvements, they'll have a great performer for 90% of people. And they might be able to squeeze the prize down even more. Maybe use the 645Z's screen instead of the cradle one, might be easier/cheaper to build? If they get a 999€ full frame camera on their hands, that would be amazing.

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07-01-2019, 01:27 AM	#571
swanlefitte Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Location: Minneapolis Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,068	The 14 best new cameras we can?t wait to shoot with in 2019 \| Trusted Reviews Of the 14 new cameras of 2019 only 2 are dslr and neither has been released. The Canon 90d and the Nikon 760. If both of those and Pentax released in the same quarter there should be a huge climb in sales.

07-01-2019, 01:28 AM	#572
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,252	Originally posted by Serkevan Add this to the fact that the Canikon execs are seemingly running around pushing MILCs and halting all DSLR development and it's no wonder that most users just... wait and see. Is EF dead? Will RF There's no hurry. Let see the systems unfold, than take the best out of the bunch. It's testing times for camera makers. Now that the tech is good enough, chances are that second stuff is a good way to same money. Some people want to have the latest tech and sell very good previous models with low shutter count. Being content without the latest models can save a ton a money and still enjoy taking pictures.

07-01-2019, 01:37 AM	#573
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Originally posted by biz-engineer There's no hurry. Let see the systems unfold, than take the best out of the bunch. It's testing times for camera makers. Now that the tech is good enough, chances are that second stuff is a good way to same money. Some people want to have the latest tech and sell very good previous models with low shutter count. Being content without the latest models can save a ton a money and still enjoy taking pictures. Absolutely: I'm in no hurry (years of gaming have taught me that chasing the latest tech is REALLY cost-inefficient) to upgrade. The day I get frustrated with the K7 and chuck it into the ocean* after yet another terrible low-light shot will be the day I upgrade... probably to a K3/KP or maybe K1 Mk1 if they are under 1K by then (they are almost there already, barely used). And that day will probably not come any time soon. *Which all things considered, might not even kill it.

07-01-2019, 01:50 AM	#574
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by Serkevan (...) entry level DSLRs, which are getting pummeled because the target market overlaps the most with the smartphone crowd. (...) Yet midrange and high-end DSLRs get even more pummelled than entry-level DSLRs: the drop in DSLR shipments during the first five months of the year is higher in shipment value (minus 44.7 per cent.) than in unit numbers (minus 35.4 per cent.)

07-01-2019, 02:03 AM	#575
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Originally posted by Mistral75 Yet midrange and high-end DSLRs get even more pummelled than entry-level DSLRs: the drop in DSLR shipments during the first five months of the year is higher in shipment value (minus 44.7 per cent.) than in unit numbers (minus 35.4 per cent.) Yes, but I assume that to be the fault of Canikon's release schedule: Canon had nothing new high-end since the 5D4 and 6D2 in 2016 or so, and Nikon had the D850 in late 2017 (which probably sold quite a lot in early 2018?), no one else apart from Pentax is makind DSLRs and Pentax basically doesn't affect CIPA numbers.

07-01-2019, 02:03 AM	#576
swanlefitte Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Location: Minneapolis Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,068	Sept 2018 nikon d3500 April 2019 EOS Rebel SL3 / EOS 250D Coming soon Canon d90 Nikon d760 Nikon d6 Nikon d5700 Nikon d7600 Pentax Who else makes dslrs?

07-01-2019, 02:08 AM	#577
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by Serkevan Yes, but I assume that to be the fault of Canikon's release schedule: Canon had nothing new high-end since the 5D4 and 6D2 in 2016 or so, and Nikon had the D850 in late 2017 (which probably sold quite a lot in early 2018?), no one else apart from Pentax is makind DSLRs and Pentax basically doesn't affect CIPA numbers. That plus the increased competition from high-end mirrorless cameras since Canon, Nikon and Panasonic launched a bunch of 24x36 mirrorless cameras in 2018H2 and 2019H1.

07-01-2019, 02:10 AM	#578
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by swanlefitte (...) Who else makes dslrs? Hasselblad, Leica and Phase One but they don't affect CIPA numbers.

07-01-2019, 02:41 AM	#579
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,666	Recently released cameras do tend to sell better than ones that have been on the market awhile. Canon and Nikon's MILCs probably haven't sold like they hoped they would, but they probably are doing better than cameras like the 5D Mk IV and D750, which are pretty long in the tooth. But everything is slowing, even mirrorless and there have been enough recent mirrorless releases that that should be holding steady or growing. Otherwise you have a situation where more brands are slicing up a smaller pie. Used to be that it was just Sony, Olympus, Fuji, and Panasonic in that category, but Canon and Nikon are scrapping pretty hard for their share of that market now too.

07-01-2019, 02:46 AM	#580
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	It seems that both Canon and Nikon's idea with their respective FF mirrorless systems is to crank the quality of their lenses as much as they can and "remind Sony who is boss". The problem is that it means releasing ridiculously expensive lenses, and in the case of Canon their bodies are not really helping* from what I keep seeing. *In so far as you nitpick and complain that "it's not an A7RIII with the fast fps of an A9". I'm 100% sure the R is perfectly adequate.

07-01-2019, 05:26 AM	#581
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	What I think Pentax should do...... Make a K-124 fullframe model that is in all other ways the same as the K-1ii, just with a 24mp full frame sensor. Nothing else new in fullframe is needed until early 2021.

07-01-2019, 06:00 AM	#582
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,186	Originally posted by Karen the Star I see, by the way, today is the day that this year had already gone half, still Pentax doesn't bring us any information about new camera and other products... ughhhhhhhhhh ＼＼\٩(๑`^´๑)۶//／／　 Based on the comments at 2019 CP+, I gave up hoping for a new camera body from Pentax before Autumn.

07-01-2019, 06:15 AM	#583
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by reh321 Based on the comments at 2019 CP+, I gave up hoping for a new camera body from Pentax before Autumn. Make it southern hemisphere's autumn and I am with you on this one.

07-01-2019, 06:21 AM	#584
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,252	Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 Make a K-124 fullframe model that is in all other ways the same as the K-1ii, just with a 24mp full frame sensor. Nothing else new in fullframe is needed until early 2021. That's what I was expecting for the K1 mark II (including AF tracking improvement that they did on the actual K1 II). At least we know that the K1 shutter / mirror can work at 6.6 FPS, and the K3 imaging pipeline is capable of processing 24Mp at 8.3 FPS. In a K1-24Mp version, get rid of pixel shift (or leave it as is , if removing it require effort), add focus bracketing for macros. IMO, the current K1 II model came too early and without enough value for users to appreciate.

07-01-2019, 06:28 AM	#585
Serkevan Site Supporter Join Date: May 2019 Photos: Albums Posts: 5,976	Honestly, if they make a K-1 Mk 1.5 with lower resolution while keeping the dynamic range and high-ISO performance, slightly faster shooting speed and some AF improvements, they'll have a great performer for 90% of people. And they might be able to squeeze the prize down even more. Maybe use the 645Z's screen instead of the cradle one, might be easier/cheaper to build? If they get a 999€ full frame camera on their hands, that would be amazing.

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