[lytrytyr]

The KP certainly has compactness.

Actually, it's larger in every linear dimension than the 2010 flagship K5.

KP: 131.5 x 101 x 76 mm

K5: 130.5 x 96.5 x 72.5 mm

If you want compactness, better grab one of the remaining K-S2s:

K-S2: 122 x 91 x 72.5 mm

[clackers]

Do you have a favorite body/lens combination? I know we are getting a bit off track and I get your point.

Below are three JPGs from today. One is Opposition Leader Anthony Albanese who spoke before today's Reclink Community Cup charity game at Victoria Park (DFA28-105), the second is Tim Rodgers of You Am I after slotting a goal in the first quarter (Sigma 150-500). The third is also with the Sigma 'Bigmos', but at 230mm.

To shoot basketball or netball, you can do it with a 70-200 f2.8 (Pentax has an excellent one, I make do with the Tamron). In a field sport, ideally you also have a $10000 400mm f2.8 of some kind, and you use that until the play comes down your end and the field of view is no longer including the players' feet and faces, so you switch to the 70-200. My long lens is either the FA*300 f4.5 or the Siggy, as I'm a hobbyist. The DFA 150-450 is an obvious purchase.

[Trickortreat]

Actually, it's larger in every linear dimension than the 2010 flagship K5.

KP: 131.5 x 101 x 76 mm

K5: 130.5 x 96.5 x 72.5 mm

If you want compactness, better grab one of the remaining K-S2s:

K-S2: 122 x 91 x 72.5 mm

Or K-S1 like i did

[Rondec]

Less than you think, Broo.

That's a lens that works on previous bodies, too.

APS-C shooters have that one and all the DFA and FA lenses to buy if they want to shoot sports and action.

This is no different from the other companies, except Fuji, who don't have any FF lenses.

Canon has very few APS-C lenses.

A Canon sports shooter must buy full frame lenses.

If you were to make some special lens that only worked on the new flagship APS-C body, that would be a niche lens on a niche body on a niche brand. That's very few sales. The money spent to develop the product and build a production run would sit on shelves somewhere waiting to be sold over a large number of years, which camera companies don't have, they're all in a sales crisis right now!

I think Pentax doesn't have the resources in the short term to update their APS-C line up, but I would expect that eventually they will put DC motors in the DA * 16-50/50-135/60-250. They have a very nice APS-C line up currently (14/15/21/35/40/50/55/70 plus quite a few zooms) but frankly, the screw driven lenses are easier to deal with than the older SDM lenses -- not because of failure risk but because of their slowness.

Rumors have been there that they are going to update these eventually and I would be surprised if they didn't -- but it might be five years before they start as their focus now is filling out the full frame lens line up.

[BROO]

APS-C shooters have that one and all the DFA and FA lenses to buy if they want to shoot sports and action.

This is no different from the other companies, except Fuji, who don't have any FF lenses.

There you go Clackers. All I said was Pentax could make a Nikon D500 style of camera. They already have the telephoto lenses . An upgrade of the older ASP-C lenses could follow. 26Mp, 10 frames per second improved buffering and AF. plus maybe 4K video. I really don't think it is too much to expect?

[clackers]

There you go Clackers. All I said was Pentax could make a Nikon D500 style of camera.

We're going in circles, mate, you pretend economics doesn't exist.

The D500 was $2000 at launch time, more than a K-1, you've already confessed you would only pay $1700!

You won't find many Pentaxians who'll pay $1700 for a crop camera, let alone two grand.

[BROO]

Actually, it's larger in every linear dimension than the 2010 flagship K5.

KP: 131.5 x 101 x 76 mm

K5: 130.5 x 96.5 x 72.5 mm

If you want compactness, better grab one of the remaining K-S2s:

K-S2: 122 x 91 x 72.5 mm

My comment about compactness was in context of being a K-1 owner.
Also the Ricoh execs described the attributes of the ASP-C format as compactness and quickness. The inference being that the KP has been designed for those who enjoy compactness and to use the Limited lenses. This comment also made me think that they may be planning to produce another line that specializes in speed.
But who knows I could be wrong.
Maybe it will just be a K-3 with a 26 Mp sensor. WOW

[biz-engineer]

The D500 was $2000 at launch time,

What repels me from the D500 is the price of XQD cards, add a set of 4 XQD card and you are at $3000 already. SD cards are a lot cheaper. Hopefully Pentax will use UHS-II instead of XQD.

[clackers]

Maybe it will just be a K-3 with a 26 Mp sensor. WOW

If the price is low, there's no other way, Broo.

How much are Pentaxians collectively, not you or me, willing to pay?

[BROO]

If the price is low, there's no other way, Broo.

How much are Pentaxians collectively, not you or me, willing to pay?

I think where we fundamentally disagree is on the cost to bring high end specs to the new camera.
I mentioned earlier product differentiation. KP and the new ASP-C flagship. The KP gives room for Ricoh to take their flagship up market. I think we agree that is where Ricoh want to go? I am sure some K3 owners have already happily purchased a KP.

I believe that given the D500 is three years old and currently selling for 1496USD then a product from Pentax approaching the D500 in performance could sell for 1350USD You obviously think it would cost 2000USD. Fujifilm currently sell the X-T30 for 899USD. It has the 26 Mp sensor being speculated.
Anyhow time will tell.

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Oh if you want to talk economics. We have a much slower product cycle these days. Comparing launch price from the past is less relevant. I think the manufacturers philosophy is to charge more for a camera that has high specs because the customer can afford to depreciate the investment over a longer period of time. You should be comparing the annual cost. In other words Pentaxians have longer to save for this one!

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BTW Clackers
Nice photos did you get the streakers? (front page of The Age)

[totsmuyco]

How I wish we could still have value for money as one of our options in choosing Pentax. However, here the prices have gone up. Well, I can only hope. I don't know about other guys living in my part of the woods.

[reh321]

I think where we fundamentally disagree is on the cost to bring high end specs to the new camera.
I mentioned earlier product differentiation. KP and the new ASP-C flagship. The KP gives room for Ricoh to take their flagship up market. I think we agree that is where Ricoh want to go? I am sure some K3 owners have already happily purchased a KP.

I believe that given the D500 is three years old and currently selling for 1496USD then a product from Pentax approaching the D500 in performance could sell for 1350USD You obviously think it would cost 2000USD. Fujifilm currently sell the X-T30 for 899USD. It has the 26 Mp sensor being speculated.
Anyhow time will tell.

Oh if you want to talk economics. We have a much slower product cycle these days. Comparing launch price from the past is less relevant. I think the manufacturers philosophy is to charge more for a camera that has high specs because the customer can afford to depreciate the investment over a longer period of time. You should be comparing the annual cost. In other words Pentaxians have longer to save for this one!

I'm not sure how much of launch price is what they need to recover R&D costs and how much is "milking" early adopters. If I Recall Correctly, the KP was introduced at $1100, and seems to have attracted very few buyers; the price was down to around $900 around Thanksgiving, at a price I was finally willing to accept {the most expensive camera kit I had ever purchased was the Canon EOS Elan I purchased for $700 in 1995}, when the price dropped to a Black Friday price of $700 and I purchased it immediately - as did many others finally. I think it is safe to expect that Pentax is not prepared to challenge Nikon's AF prowess - I don't expect them to include an extra processor dedicated to AF the way Nikon does - and people don't seem to value graceful high ISO performance nearly as much as they do fast AF ..... so the D500's current price of $1500 is probably an upper bound to what they can charge for the K-3ii replacement. If I were a member of the Ricoh team, determining how much they can provide {much larger buffer, second SD slot, upper LCD, perhaps faster processor} for how much we are willing to pay might be a real challenge.

[Zygonyx]

I think Fuji XT-3 would be the real price and specs benchmark.

[MarkJerling]

.... add a set of 4 XQD card and you are at $3000 already....

Bloody hell!

[ZombieArmy]

What repels me from the D500 is the price of XQD cards, add a set of 4 XQD card and you are at $3000 already. SD cards are a lot cheaper. Hopefully Pentax will use UHS-II instead of XQD.

What would be nice would be a way to plug directly into an external SSD. XQD seems unnecessary.