New Sony APS-C Sensor - 26MP

Kunzite · 07-02-2019, 06:47 AM - **1 Like**

Thank you. It was 10% luck, and 90% Jurgis Kairys being absolutely crazy!
He was what, 64 at that time? (2016) At the age of retirement, he's flying planes like no other.

BROO · 07-02-2019, 06:48 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

What was the first (half-)serious shooting I've done with it? I'll post a sample.

A landscape with an airshow in the foreground.

**luftfluss** · 07-02-2019, 07:09 AM

Originally posted by Pål Jensen

Action photography is not about shooting 10fps with 176 point AF with the lens pointed in the general direction of the subject, and hoping something worthwhile results.

Many people want exactly that. And now we have cameras with the ability to focus instantly on the eye of an animal, or identify an object as a vehicle and automatically AF-track it.

**lsimpkins** · 07-02-2019, 07:21 AM

Originally posted by ThorSanchez

It's hard to claim a camera is an all-around flagship if they've given up on things like autofocus and frame rate so retirees can take slightly better close-up photos of flowers.

Careful! I resemble that remark.

And, yes I have taken some photos of flowers, but I like the fact that my K-3 is an all around great camera. That being said, if there were things that might interest me in a new APSc flagship, it would be a combination of improved IQ, particularly at higher ISO, as well as somewhat better AF performance for the times I shoot at race tracks, grandchildren, and the occasional BIF.

This thread has been interesting to watch as the zealots of particular types of photography have weighed in with their wishes. I suspect that if performance were to be expressed as a spider chart, Ricoh would be aiming for a large, nearly circular result in the next model.

swanlefitte · 07-02-2019, 07:32 AM

Originally posted by beholder3

A feature for focus stacking for example would be much more desired than some aspects.

With all last months challenge photos coming now you would think that is top priority.😀

**ThorSanchez** · 07-02-2019, 08:01 AM

Originally posted by lsimpkins

Careful! I resemble that remark.

That was just a little dig at the post that strongly implied anyone who wants to use Pentax for action is a narcissistic no-talent millennial.

**FozzFoster** · 07-02-2019, 08:16 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by ThorSanchez

... is a narcissistic no-talent millennial.

"Who's scruffy looking?"

Attached Images

**Larrymc** · 07-02-2019, 08:27 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Kunzite

By the way, I bought the K-1 knowing I'll be getting an excellent landscape camera.

What was the first (half-)serious shooting I've done with it? I'll post a sample.

Great capture, Kunzite, the compression here makes it look as if the plane is really close in! What lens did you use?

**Rondec** · 07-02-2019, 08:45 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by ThorSanchez

It's hard to claim a camera is an all-around flagship if they've given up on things like autofocus and frame rate so retirees can take slightly better close-up photos of flowers.

Who is talking about giving up on auto focus and frame rate?

By all accounts part of the issue with this thread is that people are mixing two things up. First there is an APS-C camera coming (with a 26 megapixel sensor?) that is going to have high frame rate, better auto focus than current cameras and probably just overall speedier operation than in the past. OoKU says D500 level operation -- I doubt quite that level, but certainly better than current generation APS-C Pentax cameras.

The second camera is not even a rumor at this point, but it has to do with whatever the K-1 II sequel will look like. Some are saying lower megapixels. Some are saying to keep megapixels constant. But honestly, there is no indication that there is a new full frame anywhere close to release, but somehow this thread started including that along with APS-C speculation.

Finally, Pentax needs to have all around decent cameras. That means cameras that people can take photos of flowers with along with landscapes and wildlife. Unfortunately, I think retirees typically have a bit more cash to spend on hobbies and so their wishes probably have a bit more clout than the rest of us.

(the membership of this Forum skews a bit on the older side)...

beholder3 · 07-02-2019, 08:57 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by alfa75ts

Bottom line is that whatever comes must suit many users, anything too specialised won't sell enough.

I agree. And only Ricohs marketing guys have real research data.

Kunzite · 07-02-2019, 09:02 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Larrymc

Great capture, Kunzite, the compression here makes it look as if the plane is really close in! What lens did you use?

Thank you, you're too kind.
Yes, it was a close pass! I used the DA* 60-250 - didn't had the 150-450 yet; at 112mm but cropped to more than half (from the FF frame, on linear dimensions).
I didn't expect that - and I had no clue about who Jurgis Kairys is. I'm glad I managed a clear/sharp shot - and a somewhat interesting composition.

**Merv-O** · 07-02-2019, 11:52 AM

This is trending way far afield from the original poster's thread.....The new APS-c for Pentax would be welcome to the 1,000's of Pentax fans/enthusiasts who have been clamoring for a new body for a few years....While my K-3ii only has 6,800 shots on it presently, that doesn't mean I'm not interested in the next big APS-c camera from Pentax: It's just that I'm satisfied with my current line-up....

reh321 · 07-02-2019, 12:18 PM

Originally posted by Rondec

By all accounts part of the issue with this thread is that people are mixing two things up. First there is an APS-C camera coming (with a 26 megapixel sensor?) that is going to have high frame rate, better auto focus than current cameras and probably just overall speedier operation than in the past. OoKU says D500 level operation -- I doubt quite that level, but certainly better than current generation APS-C Pentax cameras.

The second camera is not even a rumor at this point, but it has to do with whatever the K-1 II sequel will look like. Some are saying lower megapixels.

The speculated 24mp "FF" camera would be a second "FF" camera, a camera 'parallel' to the K-1ii, not a replacement, an entry-level camera. I don't know of anyone suggesting that Pentax would step down in MP as a step forward.

lytrytyr · 07-02-2019, 01:16 PM

Originally posted by beholder3

A feature for focus stacking for example would be much more desired than some aspects helping just the spray & pray kiddies, since macro shooting is much more relevant overall.

Ricoh actually prototyped the technology (09 macro for the Q system) to make focus stacking largely irrelevant,
but have not seen fit to offer it on the market.

**Larrymc** · 07-02-2019, 01:26 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by reh321

The speculated 24mp "FF" camera would be a second "FF" camera, a camera 'parallel' to the K-1ii, not a replacement, an entry-level camera. I don't know of anyone suggesting that Pentax would step down in MP as a step forward.

RE, the speculation isn't even valid. This is someone's WAG about a camera that isn't coming out right now. Maybe in a year or so when Ricoh/Pentax has a good handle on the new camera's sales record will something like this WAG camera be given the go ahead.

I'm sure somewhere deep within the bowels of Ricoh/Pentax there are discussion regarding a future FF camera going on right now.

07-02-2019, 09:02 AM - 1 Like	#641
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by Larrymc Great capture, Kunzite, the compression here makes it look as if the plane is really close in! What lens did you use? Thank you, you're too kind. Yes, it was a close pass! I used the DA* 60-250 - didn't had the 150-450 yet; at 112mm but cropped to more than half (from the FF frame, on linear dimensions). I didn't expect that - and I had no clue about who Jurgis Kairys is. I'm glad I managed a clear/sharp shot - and a somewhat interesting composition. Last edited by Kunzite; 07-02-2019 at 09:09 AM.

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Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Thank you. It was 10% luck, and 90% Jurgis Kairys being absolutely crazy! He was what, 64 at that time? (2016) At the age of retirement, he's flying planes like no other.

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BROO Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 655	Originally posted by Kunzite What was the first (half-)serious shooting I've done with it? I'll post a sample. A landscape with an airshow in the foreground.

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luftfluss Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,619	Originally posted by Pål Jensen Action photography is not about shooting 10fps with 176 point AF with the lens pointed in the general direction of the subject, and hoping something worthwhile results. Many people want exactly that. And now we have cameras with the ability to focus instantly on the eye of an animal, or identify an object as a vehicle and automatically AF-track it.

07-02-2019, 07:21 AM	#634
lsimpkins Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: SE Pennsylvania Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 537	Originally posted by ThorSanchez It's hard to claim a camera is an all-around flagship if they've given up on things like autofocus and frame rate so retirees can take slightly better close-up photos of flowers. Careful! I resemble that remark. And, yes I have taken some photos of flowers, but I like the fact that my K-3 is an all around great camera. That being said, if there were things that might interest me in a new APSc flagship, it would be a combination of improved IQ, particularly at higher ISO, as well as somewhat better AF performance for the times I shoot at race tracks, grandchildren, and the occasional BIF. This thread has been interesting to watch as the zealots of particular types of photography have weighed in with their wishes. I suspect that if performance were to be expressed as a spider chart, Ricoh would be aiming for a large, nearly circular result in the next model.

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swanlefitte Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Location: Minneapolis Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,068	Originally posted by beholder3 A feature for focus stacking for example would be much more desired than some aspects. With all last months challenge photos coming now you would think that is top priority.😀

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ThorSanchez Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2012 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,806	Originally posted by lsimpkins Careful! I resemble that remark. That was just a little dig at the post that strongly implied anyone who wants to use Pentax for action is a narcissistic no-talent millennial.

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Larrymc Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Mississippi, USA Posts: 5,252	Originally posted by Kunzite By the way, I bought the K-1 knowing I'll be getting an excellent landscape camera. What was the first (half-)serious shooting I've done with it? I'll post a sample. Great capture, Kunzite, the compression here makes it look as if the plane is really close in! What lens did you use?

07-02-2019, 08:45 AM - 1 Like	#639
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,653	Originally posted by ThorSanchez It's hard to claim a camera is an all-around flagship if they've given up on things like autofocus and frame rate so retirees can take slightly better close-up photos of flowers. Who is talking about giving up on auto focus and frame rate? By all accounts part of the issue with this thread is that people are mixing two things up. First there is an APS-C camera coming (with a 26 megapixel sensor?) that is going to have high frame rate, better auto focus than current cameras and probably just overall speedier operation than in the past. OoKU says D500 level operation -- I doubt quite that level, but certainly better than current generation APS-C Pentax cameras. The second camera is not even a rumor at this point, but it has to do with whatever the K-1 II sequel will look like. Some are saying lower megapixels. Some are saying to keep megapixels constant. But honestly, there is no indication that there is a new full frame anywhere close to release, but somehow this thread started including that along with APS-C speculation. Finally, Pentax needs to have all around decent cameras. That means cameras that people can take photos of flowers with along with landscapes and wildlife. Unfortunately, I think retirees typically have a bit more cash to spend on hobbies and so their wishes probably have a bit more clout than the rest of us. (the membership of this Forum skews a bit on the older side)...

07-02-2019, 08:57 AM - 1 Like	#640
beholder3 Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 3,112	Originally posted by alfa75ts Bottom line is that whatever comes must suit many users, anything too specialised won't sell enough. I agree. And only Ricohs marketing guys have real research data.

07-02-2019, 11:52 AM	#642
Merv-O Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Philadelphia Photos: Albums Posts: 2,098	This is trending way far afield from the original poster's thread.....The new APS-c for Pentax would be welcome to the 1,000's of Pentax fans/enthusiasts who have been clamoring for a new body for a few years....While my K-3ii only has 6,800 shots on it presently, that doesn't mean I'm not interested in the next big APS-c camera from Pentax: It's just that I'm satisfied with my current line-up....

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reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,180	Originally posted by Rondec By all accounts part of the issue with this thread is that people are mixing two things up. First there is an APS-C camera coming (with a 26 megapixel sensor?) that is going to have high frame rate, better auto focus than current cameras and probably just overall speedier operation than in the past. OoKU says D500 level operation -- I doubt quite that level, but certainly better than current generation APS-C Pentax cameras. The second camera is not even a rumor at this point, but it has to do with whatever the K-1 II sequel will look like. Some are saying lower megapixels. The speculated 24mp "FF" camera would be a second "FF" camera, a camera 'parallel' to the K-1ii, not a replacement, an entry-level camera. I don't know of anyone suggesting that Pentax would step down in MP as a step forward.

07-02-2019, 01:16 PM	#644
lytrytyr Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2011 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,310	Originally posted by beholder3 A feature for focus stacking for example would be much more desired than some aspects helping just the spray & pray kiddies, since macro shooting is much more relevant overall. Ricoh actually prototyped the technology (09 macro for the Q system) to make focus stacking largely irrelevant, but have not seen fit to offer it on the market.

07-02-2019, 01:26 PM - 1 Like	#645
Larrymc Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Mississippi, USA Posts: 5,252	Originally posted by reh321 The speculated 24mp "FF" camera would be a second "FF" camera, a camera 'parallel' to the K-1ii, not a replacement, an entry-level camera. I don't know of anyone suggesting that Pentax would step down in MP as a step forward. RE, the speculation isn't even valid. This is someone's WAG about a camera that isn't coming out right now. Maybe in a year or so when Ricoh/Pentax has a good handle on the new camera's sales record will something like this WAG camera be given the go ahead. I'm sure somewhere deep within the bowels of Ricoh/Pentax there are discussion regarding a future FF camera going on right now.